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Take a look at number 3. (from George Dvorsky 'You'll Probably Never Upload Your Mind Into A Computer') 1. Brain functions are not computable 2. We'll never solve the hard problem of consciousness 3. We'll never solve the binding problem 4. Panpsychism is true 5. Mind-body dualism is true 6. It would be unethical to develop 7. We can never be sure it works 8. Uploaded minds would be vulnerable to hacking and abuse From Are there problems with the metaphor of mind-uploading? (1) Transhumanists are materialists/physicalists. (2) Materialists/physicalists do not view the mind as a “thing” that is separate from the human brain. (3) The transference thesis (and uploading more generally) assumes that the mind is a thing that is separate from the human brain. (4) Therefore, transhumanists cannot believe in the transference thesis (and uploading more generally). | |
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![]() Is the brain too “warm, wet and noisy” for quantum computing?
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Clarke's three laws - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia #4, Panpsychism is true, would you mind expanding on that? Also, your knowledge on this subject appears to have been increasing pretty steadily over the past couple years, it definitely exceeds mine. Have you given any thought on going to school for philosophy, or starting a website writing this stuff? | |
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![]() Interesting project.
The Cyborg and the Noble Savage -- Ethics in the war on information poverty Quote:
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![]() I spent 5 minutes looking into the laptop thing and it looks like a flop, I’m very impressed with Effective altruism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia, lots are disillusioned with charity but these guys seem to know how to get shit done (Researchers at GiveWell have calculated that some charities are hundreds or thousands of times more effective than others.[6])
A course on philosophy of mind (hopefully with some quantum biology thrown in) sounds like a good idea, learning the intricacies of some of the terms seems hopeless as a bystander. "There’s so much terminological wreckage in the philosophy of mind that it’s close to collapse as a shared enterprise." -- Galen Strawson Panpsychism – The fundamental “stuff” of the world is experiential Indistinguishable from magic is exactly how I (and some clever people!) see strong emergence. One of the slogans of panpsychism is "Nothing can give what it does not possess" which I’m leaning towards after falling out of love with something like : 1) The fundamental stuff of the world is wholly non-experiential/ Non-sentient physical forms are all that exist. 2) ??? 3) ??? 2+2=5 4) And hence consciousness exists. David Chalmers is a dualist panpsychist, Pearce and Strawson are monist panpsychists, I don’t understand enough to be able to know the difference between them and how they come to disagree. Here's 41 very short clips from an event in germany called geiststaubmind_dust - the mental as funda-mental (mind dust) we're made of star-stuff but are stars made of mind-stuff? Panpsychism doesn't (edit - have to) mean that you think there's something it's like to be a chair or table. What I came here to post : I'm on the lookout for a picture of the land mammals 10,000 years ago to compare with this one, and maybe predictions for 10,000 years from now. ![]() Quote:
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![]() The parallels between this movement and the personal goals of Buddhism in general are really striking.
This would be an awesome talk to see on video: http://www.transhumanism.org/index.p...71226cronopis/ |
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![]() Why panpsychism doesn't help explain consciousness | Philip Goff - Academia.edu
http://consc.net/papers/combination.pdf not a scooby doo Edit : there's also Integrated information theory - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Giulio Tononi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia exciting times 2nd : |
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![]() I give it about another year or two of this obsessive "Dent (Earth Ape) trying to intellectually master the Universe" trend before he pops and goes insane.
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![]() I think i'll tenselessly exist, past present and future are on an equal footing, none any more "real" than the other.
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![]() I've enjoyed getting schooled on philosophy of mind, Repug has a few valid points in the religion thread.
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![]() I wholeheartedly believe that certain psychoactive plants have much more to do with the evolution of Mind (whatever Mind is)/development of the neocortex in prehistory than humanity is currently ready to accept.
Evolution of the neocortex: Perspective from developmental biology Music, Art, Abstract Conceptualization, Math, Language, etc. --- If one seriously (and honestly) analyzes the stark cognitive differences between humans and the rest of the animal kingdom, it becomes apparent that there is much more mystery to unfold. (Note: other animals seem to have rudimentary progressions at lower levels than humans -- some primates, dolphins, extinct neanderthal, etc. I have often speculated if there are psychoactive plants that have evolved underwater as well.) Environmental variables lost to history (again, I lean towards plants) during our species' evolution seem to be a likely explanation (outside of the metaphysical -- if not intertwined) for these differences. Also, been reading a lot of Leary lately, this is an interesting theory on innate stages of consciousness that can be "unlocked" through various means: Eight-circuit model of consciousness - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Related: Carl Jung's "Stages Of Life" MYSTERIES ABOUND, NIGGAZ!!! Quote:
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![]() Excerpt from Arthur C. Clarke's 2010: The Odyssey 2 (Sequel to 2001: A Space Odyssey)
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![]() Also, after studying so much of Sagan's books and other works, the more I read Clarke's novels, I really see the fantastic potential of partnership between science fiction writers and actual scientists. Clarke actually specifically mentions Sagan from a future perspective in some of his books, and a lot of the plots are clearly drawn from what were only speculations by Sagan at the time. Although Clarke did pretty much invent the telecommunications satellite, so he was a scientist too I guess. Staying up late is fun.
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Consciousness and wave function collapse isn't a new thing, Hammeroff-penrose consciousness-causes-collapse has been around for 20 odd years, other ideas 60 years before that. I haven't seen this video yet, Chalmers is a "naturalistic dualist". Here's an easy going documentary from a few years back starring Hugh Everett's son who is in a band, Hugh wasn't the best dad. Quote:
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h+ Magazine | Direct Brain to Brain Communication Between Animals and Humans - h+ Magazine Here's a post from Yudkowsky on non-human animal cognition https://www.facebook.com/yudkowsky/p...52588738904228 | |
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Yes. The Vulcan "human emotion" parallels are so interesting. P.S. the working title of my first EP is "Ape Games"
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![]() I've been up all night. I can't even think straight. Tomorrow, friend.
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