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DJ FC · 01-11-2012, 04:46 PM

Why do we assume life must be from places like us? What if life enjoys places that are a billion degrees and 25 g forces?

Mr. Blonde · 01-11-2012, 04:54 PM

Many scientists do not solely assume that. But being that it is the kind of life we are more familiar with, it is what we will look for first.

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THEINCREDIBLEdork · 01-11-2012, 06:56 PM

DDTempest · 01-11-2012, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Blonde

Next logical progression is finding more Earth like ones. Real findings, not "it's in the goldilocks zone" shit.

Next logical progression is to figure out how to effectively travel in space ... then we can worry about there being life 10,000 years away.

THEINCREDIBLEdork · 01-11-2012, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by DDTempest

Next logical progression is to figure out how to effectively travel in space ... then we can worry about there being life 10,000 years away.

Next logic progression is to begin funding NASA shuttles again ... then we can worry about how to effectively travel in space.

Saint DH · 01-11-2012, 07:30 PM

No point in funding NASA shuttles with the piss poor space traveling technology we have now. We need to find a better way to travel before we start traveling again. We've seen all we can see. Satellites are way cheaper and can go 100,000,000,000 times farther.

Need to build a launchpad on the moon.

THEINCREDIBLEdork · 01-11-2012, 07:31 PM

I was hoping for a combo. Go fuck yourself.

Saint DH · 01-11-2012, 07:33 PM

Sorry :`(

DDTempest · 01-11-2012, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirty Harry

Need to build a launchpad on the moon.

We need to build a space elevator, then we can just have a launch pad in space.

Beebs · 01-12-2012, 01:19 AM

In terms of finding life, furthering our space travel technique is like learning to crawl better to get to the moon.

Theoretical physics would be the most important research to going somewhere worth going, as it's going to take faster than light-speed tech.

Ugly Bastard · 01-12-2012, 11:19 AM

100 billion planets in our galaxy and 100-500 billion (depending on who you ask) galaxies in the universe. This is why when dumb Christians/women say stuff like we are the only life in the universe I just want to slam my head against a wall.

thekremlin · 01-12-2012, 11:21 AM

Christians and women are the worst.

Which makes me the best.

Mr. Blonde · 02-04-2012, 05:33 PM

I've probably posted this before, but I'm seeing Dawkins Dawkins Bangs Garrison (Season 10, Episode 12) - Video Clips - South Park Studios Krauss tonight at a talk at ASU.

I'm going to get a book signed by each, and hopefully get a picture with Dawkins.

I don't

man I just zoned out there for about 5 minutes.

'A Universe From Nothing' by Lawrence Krauss, AAI 2009 - YouTube

It would be pretty badass if we got to drink with them in Tempe after the thing --- I've heard of each of them doing it once or twice. Ya never know how frisky Dawkins is gonna be. This might be me tonight:

Dawkins Bangs Garrison (Season 10, Episode 12) - Video Clips - South Park Studios

Mr. Blonde · 02-07-2012, 04:39 PM

Overall, the thing was a pretty big circlejerk and it was pretty clear the "discussion", at least the first half of it, was contrived over a few days prior to the event (based on offhand comments from them) to seem like a "real, impromptu" discussion. Krauss pretending to be ignorant, asking Dawkins questions he well knew the answer to, for the benefit of people who had not read their books/seen their speeches on Youtube (which was probably a fair amount of people -- probably only 15% of the 3,000 people in attendance stayed after for book signings).

Especially circle-jerky moments:

- Krauss quite obviously setting Dawkins up to deliver his signature irascible wit for the benefit of the clap-happy audience

- Krauss (rather needlessly) deriding the Republican candidates in a funny comment about every 15 minutes, almost all of them stretches compared to whatever the topic at hand was

- The first question from the audience after the main discussion was from what I understood to basically be a Theologian, although he claimed to be some professor of religious studies. He asked kind of a dumb/repetitive question that has been tackled myriad times in philosophy/atheism -- I can't even remember what it was in hindsight. But Krauss basically said "Yeah, we already covered that, i'm not going to go over it again", and then the dude actually tried to quote a Bible verse.

When he tried to that he was booed from the mic, and while I'm sure whatever he had to say was stupid, it would have shown much more class to eloquently address whatever question/verse he was going to say, rather boo him off. That's not going to change any hearts and minds IMO and i'm sure, however wrong he may be, he walked away feeling more justified in his position based on the whole martyr thing.

Overall, it was great to see them in person, and for $20 I'd probably do it again, but will be going into it with the knowledge that there will be very little science talk in these types of events.

Dawkins pic didn't turn out that well. He was pretty clearly tired and about 2-300 people went before me here, and it was fairly rushed -- but it was still pretty cool.

Krauss, naturally, wasn't signing nearly as many books as Dawkins was, but his new book was for sale at the event so some people bought that and had him sign it. I only saw one other person with a Krauss book, and many people didn't seem to want a picture with him either, so when I asked if I could have a picture and had him signed my dog-eared copy of The Physics of Star Trek he was much more excited/grateful to have his picture taken. He also gave me a much better/personable signature, versus Dawkins, which was sorta like chickenscratch. (understandably so, as it's fairly likely he has signed hundreds of thousands of books in his lifetime)

Both dudes shook hands like girls.

Circlejerk aside, it was great to be around like-minded people, and I think attending science/otherwise cerebral conferences or seminars around once a month would really help me deal with society on a regular basis, if nothing else to know that not everyone is a dullard just coasting through life by working and buying shit.

This event, by the same organization and at the same venue, seems much more thought provoking than the Dawkins/Krauss one and if I can get off work, i'll definitely be attending it: ASU Origins Project

ninjaface · 02-08-2012, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Blonde

He was pretty clearly tired and about 2-300 people went before me here, and it was fairly rushed -- but it was still pretty cool.

You weren't sure of the number and your best estimate is between 2 and 300 people? How high were you?

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Mr. Blonde · 02-08-2012, 07:28 PM

I was at about a [3], but I was under the impression that was the best way to write an estimate of between 200 and 300.

Mr. Blonde · 03-29-2012, 12:42 AM

the fuck

Mr. Blonde · 03-29-2012, 02:19 AM

Amazon's Jeff Bezos vows to recover Apollo 11 engines - latimes.com

thekremlin · 03-29-2012, 03:19 AM

I'm really sorry, I was in Brazil when you posted the picture of you and Richard Dawkins, I wasn't really checking nubblies, and so as a result I didn't have the chance to tell you nice tie, queer.

Dent · 09-20-2012, 09:42 AM

Asteroid Discovery - 1980-2012 - UHDTV - YouTube

I don't think it's updated yet to show us the earth sized object hitting jupiter, but still a very interesting video.

DJ FC · 09-20-2012, 12:46 PM

If any political candidate made space exploration and asteroid defence his number one platform I would support him no matter how communist/evil/fascist/horrible he was in other regards.

Dent · 09-20-2012, 02:07 PM

M-A-R-S, Mars Bitches - YouTube

Mr. Blonde · 09-20-2012, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ FC

If any political candidate made space exploration and asteroid defence his number one platform I would support him no matter how communist/evil/fascist/horrible he was in other regards.

Agree, but I find it hard to believe anybody that interested in the continuation of long-term human survival would be that despotic.

But then again, there is always Leto Atreides II....

Dent · 09-21-2012, 02:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ FC

If any political candidate made space exploration and asteroid defence his number one platform I would support him no matter how communist/evil/fascist/horrible he was in other regards.

Don't see anything wrong with asteroid detection, but defence seems just to be another way of hanging ourselves right now.

The attachment is chapter 18 of Pale Blue Dot which goes into the problem beautifully.

Mr. Blonde · 09-21-2012, 03:12 PM

Invalid attachment. Edit and upload to Youtube IMO. I don't see chapter 14 on there.

Just found this. Kinda short chapter (I have only heard the audiobook, but I want to buy and re-read the physical).

http://www.e-reading.org.ua/chapter...._in_Space.html

01-11-2012, 04:46 PM	#126 (permalink)
DJ FC MURICAN Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Virginia Posts: 5,136 Internets: 250185	Why do we assume life must be from places like us? What if life enjoys places that are a billion degrees and 25 g forces?
	The basis of our governments being the opinion of the people, the very first object should be to keep that right; and were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers, or newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate a moment to prefer the latter. But I should mean that every man should receive those papers and be capable of reading them.

01-11-2012, 06:56 PM	#128 (permalink)
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	#YOLO

01-11-2012, 07:31 PM	#132 (permalink)
THEINCREDIBLEdork Emperor Meow Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 9,316 Internets: 284585	I was hoping for a combo. Go fuck yourself.
	#YOLO

02-07-2012, 04:39 PM	#139 (permalink)
Mr. Blonde Spice Master Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 17,969 Internets: 278288	Overall, the thing was a pretty big circlejerk and it was pretty clear the "discussion", at least the first half of it, was contrived over a few days prior to the event (based on offhand comments from them) to seem like a "real, impromptu" discussion. Krauss pretending to be ignorant, asking Dawkins questions he well knew the answer to, for the benefit of people who had not read their books/seen their speeches on Youtube (which was probably a fair amount of people -- probably only 15% of the 3,000 people in attendance stayed after for book signings). Especially circle-jerky moments: - Krauss quite obviously setting Dawkins up to deliver his signature irascible wit for the benefit of the clap-happy audience - Krauss (rather needlessly) deriding the Republican candidates in a funny comment about every 15 minutes, almost all of them stretches compared to whatever the topic at hand was - The first question from the audience after the main discussion was from what I understood to basically be a Theologian, although he claimed to be some professor of religious studies. He asked kind of a dumb/repetitive question that has been tackled myriad times in philosophy/atheism -- I can't even remember what it was in hindsight. But Krauss basically said "Yeah, we already covered that, i'm not going to go over it again", and then the dude actually tried to quote a Bible verse. When he tried to that he was booed from the mic, and while I'm sure whatever he had to say was stupid, it would have shown much more class to eloquently address whatever question/verse he was going to say, rather boo him off. That's not going to change any hearts and minds IMO and i'm sure, however wrong he may be, he walked away feeling more justified in his position based on the whole martyr thing. Overall, it was great to see them in person, and for $20 I'd probably do it again, but will be going into it with the knowledge that there will be very little science talk in these types of events. Dawkins pic didn't turn out that well. He was pretty clearly tired and about 2-300 people went before me here, and it was fairly rushed -- but it was still pretty cool. Krauss, naturally, wasn't signing nearly as many books as Dawkins was, but his new book was for sale at the event so some people bought that and had him sign it. I only saw one other person with a Krauss book, and many people didn't seem to want a picture with him either, so when I asked if I could have a picture and had him signed my dog-eared copy of The Physics of Star Trek he was much more excited/grateful to have his picture taken. He also gave me a much better/personable signature, versus Dawkins, which was sorta like chickenscratch. (understandably so, as it's fairly likely he has signed hundreds of thousands of books in his lifetime) Both dudes shook hands like girls. Circlejerk aside, it was great to be around like-minded people, and I think attending science/otherwise cerebral conferences or seminars around once a month would really help me deal with society on a regular basis, if nothing else to know that not everyone is a dullard just coasting through life by working and buying shit. This event, by the same organization and at the same venue, seems much more thought provoking than the Dawkins/Krauss one and if I can get off work, i'll definitely be attending it: ASU Origins Project
	Psychedelics are illegal not because a loving government is concerned that you may jump out of a third story window. Psychedelics are illegal because they dissolve opinion structures and culturally laid down models of behavior and information processing. ― Terence McKenna

02-08-2012, 07:28 PM	#141 (permalink)
Mr. Blonde Spice Master Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 17,969 Internets: 278288	I was at about a [3], but I was under the impression that was the best way to write an estimate of between 200 and 300.
	Psychedelics are illegal not because a loving government is concerned that you may jump out of a third story window. Psychedelics are illegal because they dissolve opinion structures and culturally laid down models of behavior and information processing. ― Terence McKenna

01-11-2012, 04:54 PM	#127 (permalink)
Mr. Blonde Spice Master Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 17,969 Internets: 278288	Many scientists do not solely assume that. But being that it is the kind of life we are more familiar with, it is what we will look for first. Hydrothermal Vent - Biological Communities \| Wikipedia

01-11-2012, 07:30 PM	#131 (permalink)
Saint DH Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 6,113 Internets: 284753	No point in funding NASA shuttles with the piss poor space traveling technology we have now. We need to find a better way to travel before we start traveling again. We've seen all we can see. Satellites are way cheaper and can go 100,000,000,000 times farther. Need to build a launchpad on the moon.

01-11-2012, 07:33 PM	#133 (permalink)
Saint DH Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 6,113 Internets: 284753	Sorry :`(

01-12-2012, 01:19 AM	#135 (permalink)
Beebs Poor Sport Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Indianapolis / Middlebury / Long Lake Posts: 5,306 Internets: 127341	In terms of finding life, furthering our space travel technique is like learning to crawl better to get to the moon. Theoretical physics would be the most important research to going somewhere worth going, as it's going to take faster than light-speed tech.

01-12-2012, 11:19 AM	#136 (permalink)
Ugly Bastard Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: U.S.A. Posts: 13,643 Internets: 247330	100 billion planets in our galaxy and 100-500 billion (depending on who you ask) galaxies in the universe. This is why when dumb Christians/women say stuff like we are the only life in the universe I just want to slam my head against a wall.

03-29-2012, 12:42 AM	#142 (permalink)
Mr. Blonde Spice Master Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 17,969 Internets: 278288	the fuck
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03-29-2012, 02:19 AM	#143 (permalink)
Mr. Blonde Spice Master Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 17,969 Internets: 278288	Amazon's Jeff Bezos vows to recover Apollo 11 engines - latimes.com

09-20-2012, 12:46 PM	#146 (permalink)
DJ FC MURICAN Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Virginia Posts: 5,136 Internets: 250185	If any political candidate made space exploration and asteroid defence his number one platform I would support him no matter how communist/evil/fascist/horrible he was in other regards.
	The basis of our governments being the opinion of the people, the very first object should be to keep that right; and were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers, or newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate a moment to prefer the latter. But I should mean that every man should receive those papers and be capable of reading them.

09-21-2012, 03:12 PM	#150 (permalink)
Mr. Blonde Spice Master Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 17,969 Internets: 278288	Invalid attachment. Edit and upload to Youtube IMO. I don't see chapter 14 on there. Just found this. Kinda short chapter (I have only heard the audiobook, but I want to buy and re-read the physical). http://www.e-reading.org.ua/chapter...._in_Space.html

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