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Old 11-21-2003, 03:07 PM   #1 (permalink)
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In light of the Best Beers thread, let's see what people's stances on alcohol are.

Personally, I think alcohol is gay. I don't really see what any of the pros of drinking alcohol are, yet I do see a mass of cons. Go ahead and reply with your little "a beer a day is good for you" shit. A.) That's nothing but alcoholic bullshit, B.) even if it is true, I could probably name about twenty things bad about alcohol for every one thing you name that is good about it.

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UB - You sir are correct. Alcohol really does not have many redeeming qualities for teenagers/college students. I'm pretty sure everyone knows this. What you don't realize, is that a lot of people don't care, and so long as you don't let it take over your life, I'm not adversed to killing a few brain cells from time to time.

In short, the cons to drinking definitely outweigh the pros. However, in moderation, wine has been statistically proven to reduce heart disease (although this doesn't really apply to teenagers). Second, Alcohol is "the world's social lubricant". A certain teacher once said this, and there is certainly a degree of truth to it. Time and time again, I've seen people who disliked each other come to good terms with each other while drunk. It also helps us ugly people have a chance with girls.

In conclusion, I know it's bad for me, but I honestly don't care.

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Most of the cons from alcohol only come into play if you let them. For instance, alcohol impaires your driving ability; so don't drive. Alcohol makes you hit on ugly girls, so don't get sloppy drunk around ugly girls. Alcohol overworks your liver, so don't drink every bloody night.

If you drink within the right contraints, there are very few negatives. Unfortunately most people don't exercise good judgement when it comes to alcohol use.

Let me give a personal example.
A few weekends ago, one of my best friends and I sat alone at his house on a Saturday night. We kicked back a few beers and basically just listened to music and talked all night. We ordered pizza eventually, watched the matrix, and headed off to bed. Now, what are the real negatives in this situation? None really. But I did get to enjoy a drink (Newcastle Brown Ale) that I really like.

Within the right constraints, alcohol isn't really worse than drinking apple juice.
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Here are my reasons for drinking alcohol:

Here are my reasons for not drinking alcohol:

A. To me, it's one of the worst tasting things ever invented.

2. I don't need alcohol to be social, anyone who does is pathetic. If you have a problem being social due to shyness or self-doubt then either A.) Realize you're not a social person or B.) Get over it. People who use alcohol as a mask so that they don't have to actually interact with other people, are ridiculous and sad. Now if the reason is just to get fucked up because they think it's fun to act retarded, annoy the hell out of people and vomit, well then that's your thing.

D. I can't not have control over myself. I'm not a control freak, but when it comes to myself, obviously I'm in charge. I can't lend my behavior to randomness and inability to think clearly. Sure, sometimes funny things can happen, but very unfunny things can happen as well, and it's really not worth it to me when I'm going to be feeling like shit and regretting it later on.

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Within the right constraints, alcohol isn't really worse than drinking apple juice.
Exactly. When used responsibly, alcohol is fine, besides any health effects. It's unfortunate that a large portion of the people who drink do not do it responsibly. Even of those who drink and recognize alcohol's negative aspects, there are many that fail to practice self-control.

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2. I don't need alcohol to be social, anyone who does is pathetic. If you have a problem being social due to shyness or self-doubt then either A.) Realize you're not a social person or B.) Get over it. People who use alcohol as a mask so that they don't have to actually interact with other people, are ridiculous and sad. Now if the reason is just to get fucked up because they think it's fun to act retarded, annoy the hell out of people and vomit, well then that's your thing.
Alright, I'm going to ASSUME that your comment was directed towards me. Even if it wasn't, I'm still going to pretend it was for the sake of argument.

Firstly, you are blatantly misinterpreting my statement. Alcohol is a social lubricant; not the fuel. Obviously it's not an end all solution to being social or making friends. It merely can help in certain situations. I'm not just talking about getting drunk. I'm also referring to just having a beer with a few people.

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In conclusion, I know it's bad for me, but I honestly don't care.
At least you're honest. Someday, when you do start to care, I hope you'll be able to look back on your life, and see that you didn't make any large mistakes due to drinking.

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How does drinking beer when you're with a few friends act as a social lubricant? Does your bottle of beer start conversations for you? Does it tell jokes? Can your bottle of beer walk up to chicks that you're too afraid to talk to, and hit on them?

I dunno...maybe it can. I just don't need a glass bottle full of beer to have the balls to talk to a girl or make people laugh.

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Alcohol is a social lubricant; not the fuel. Obviously it's not an end all solution to being social or making friends. It merely can help in certain situations. I'm not just talking about getting drunk. I'm also referring to just having a beer with a few people.
No I understand that. I'm not accusing you specifically of using it as social fuel. But there are a lot of people like that out there; and the real problem comes when they abuse it. I've had casual drinks with people. But I don't do it very often and the bottom line in that is reason A.

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Ugly, would you agree that, in the right context, alcohol isn't a bad thing; but that most people simply never exercise proper control?
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Ugly, would you agree that, in the right context, alcohol isn't a bad thing; but that most people simply never exercise proper control?
Yeah I'd agree. But I'd also agree that it's never a good thing...so why do it? Sometimes it's okay to drink alcohol, but then again, sometimes it's okay to have three Little Debbies for lunch instead of anything else...does that mean you'll see me doing it? No.

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Is eating a little debbie ever really okay then?
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Is eating a little debbie ever really okay then?
Well I suppose if you were starving to death, then eating one could save your life.

But luckily for us, alcohol has no life-saving qualities (unless you're on a sinking ship, and you want to say warm in the cold water...but spare me that arguement).

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If you can argue that a Little Debbie would save a starving person (it takes over a month to die from starvation) then death from dehydration (under a week) would be a completely valid arguement.

Alcohol really isn't bad, it's the mis-use of it which is bad.

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Alright pliedes, you're right. Alcohol is such a great thing, 'cause if you're ever going to dehydrate, then you can just drink it, and you'll be fine. I now completely condone drinking alcohol.

Let me ask you a question, pliedes. Why do you defend alcohol so much? Is it really that important to you? It's kind of sad to sit here watching you come up with piss-poor arguements like "alcohol can keep you from dehydrating" just to get me to admit that alcohol has some good qualities. It takes a big person to admit that they're be wrong...and let's just face it...alcohol probably isn't a good thing in the grand scheme of things.

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Ugly, do you really think the dehydration thing was my real arguement for alcohol? It was a humorous response to your Little Debbie line.

If you would have read my above posts (judging from your disregard to them, it appears as though you didn't), you would see that was not my arguement at all.

It's not the alcohol itself which is bad, it is the mis-use. Just like asprin isn't a bad thing, but if you take a whole bottle, well, then it's bad. You don't go around demonizing asprin though, because its not a widespread problem. Alcohol is though. I've clearly stated that. Used within reason, it's simply a enjoyable drink (refering to beer).

UB, focus on the real issue, it is the mis-use which is bad, not the alcohol itself.
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I concur. Alcohol is like religion. It's a fine thing, taken in moderation.
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Though alcohol has dangerous effects like alcoholism, it's still pimp... In moderation that is. Unless you're an alcholic, then it's pimp no matter what.

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Tongue, what do you know about practicing moderation with alcohol?

pliedes, I noticed you compared alcohol to asprin. Why don't you give me one thing that makes alcohol like asprin...(aside from that fact that ODing is bad)

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[qb]In conclusion, I know it's bad for me, but I honestly don't care.
At least you're honest. Someday, when you do start to care, I hope you'll be able to look back on your life, and see that you didn't make any large mistakes due to drinking.</font>[/quote]UB - You're acting like an 8 year old, who constantly breaks out the "what if??" arguments. Sure, in theory I could become an alcoholic. I am also capable of drinking and driving. Plus, I could drink too much and get alcohol poisoning.

Will I ever do any of these things? No. It's ridiculous of you to assume that we are going to fuck up our lives because of drinking. Yes, some people will, but unless you know me/us on a personal basis you have no right to make assumptions like that.

The argument of "alcohol holds no redeeming value" is not valid. There are literally hundreds of products that have no redeeming value, but are still legal. Second, it's a subjective matter; what is considered redeeming to you may not be redeeming to me.

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Ugly, personal attacks do nothing for your arguement.

UB, the arguement is fairly simple. It is the mis-sue of alcohol which is bad, much like the mis-use of any common drug may be; not the alcohol itself. Now do you see my point? If not, please describe why the arguement does not work.

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If you'll re-read my post, you'll see that all I said was "I hope you never fuck up with alcohol". I never "made personal assumptions" about you whatsoever, so don't be so dramatic.

Secondly, You're right, there are hundreds of products out there with no redeeming value, just like alcohol. But the difference between these products and alcohol is that some of them are just pointless and stupid...alcohol is deadly when abused.

Also, I really liked your arguement of "I would never drink and drive and kill someone or become an alcoholic or get alcohol poisening...that's just stupid". Do you think all of the alcoholics out in the world planned to become alcoholics someday? Of course not...they were once a teenager just like you saying to their non-drinking friends "I'll never become an alcoholic, or drink and drive"...but then they did. By exposing yourself to alcohol carelessly, you could become one of those people too...

If you take all of the people who have killed someone drunk driving and asked them five years earlier "do you think you'll ever kill someone drunk driving or become an alcoholic"...I'll bet you over 90% of them would've said:

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Your slippery-slope does not equate to alcohol itself being bad.

Are you trying to say that the possible negative effects outweight the possible positive effects?

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Go ahead and answer my question...then maybe I'll answer more of yours.

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Will I ever do any of these things? No. It's ridiculous of you to assume that we are going to fuck up our lives because of drinking.
If tendencies toward alcoholism are hereditary (as some seem to think it may be), then one could have full intention of never experiencing any negative effects of alcohol, yet they very well could unsuspectedly. Now, this doesn't actually make the alcohol itself a "bad" thing. And I really don't think alcohol has malicious intent. But the fact that it can have positive effects and can cause like damage, should be plenty enough for someone to have low opinions for the use of it. Especially if it's never done any good for them.

I've drunk, it's never done a lick of good for me, unless you're talking about lowering blood pressure or what-not. Too bad I'll bet most people who argue that also like to eat red meat and salt (I do). So obviously they're not drinking for health. If there are people out there who honestly are, good for you, but you're not, and you know it.

Drinking socially? That argument's really starting to piss me off. That is, If you're drinking "socially" without the intent of messing yourself up at all. Because if your goal isn't to get a little wired then you should be able to get the same social effect from drinking water. Some might say they like the taste of alcohol more. That may be true, but the slight buzz they get from drinking some alcohol is the probably the more likely reason they're sipping on Blue Skyy instead of Deja Blue. This is mere speculation, but seriously, chances are if I kept offering a proponent of alcohol something that they truly thought tasted better, at least one of those times they'd pick the alcohol instead. Alcohol wasn't invented because it tastes good. It was invented to fuck you up. Unlike Aspirin, which was not.

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Go ahead and answer my question...then maybe I'll answer more of yours.</font>[/quote]Because alcohol is not inheritly bad. I'm simply correcting your badly constructed arguements.

Another arguement could be because I'm a raging alcoholic, or the devil's advocate?

Or maybe I'm just bored.

Or maybe, just maybe, that has nothing to do with the arguement of whether or not alcohol is bad and you can't logically defend (and/or clearly state) your position.

Titan, I'm not gonna lie to you, and I definitely do prefer the taste of water to that of vodka.

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