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Unread 09-02-2005, 02:19 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Silva is the man, alright? Fuck you. He's the shit. But still, after losing to Arona does his belt really mean as much? I know it was in a tourney format, but that was the first fight, they were both fresh...It seems to take away a little of the legitness. Also consider Wanderlei has only had 3 title defenses in 4 years against Tamura, Kanehara, and Jackson. Of course only 1 of them was a top fighter. His record in his last 4 fights is 2-2. Obviously Silva is still a fucking bad ass, but does anyone think he's losing that invincible aura he had going for the past 5 years?
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Unread 09-02-2005, 03:19 AM   #2 (permalink)
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I would have to say that Shogun is the chronological champ, which presents a problem since his teammate is the technical champ.
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holy shit.

what a fairweather fan...

maybe you should stick to sherdog & mma.tv

prior to arona when was the last fucking time silva lost a fight?!

while rua has moments where he shines, he doesn't have the consistency of silva.

i suppose randy coture isn't as good as liddel because he lost to him once...

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a fight is a fight, anyone can win any match that gets put together. the better fighter doesnt always win. sometimes people get lucky or, as in wand's case, you just cant find your rhythm and work your gameplan. i think wand is still the best pound for pound.

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Not a fairweather fan, just pointing out Silva has been less then stellar lately. And you have to admit...3 title defenses in 4 years? Silvas main knock is that he doesn't always fight quality opponets. I still think Siva is ranked either 1 or 2 LHW right now.
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silva fights whomever pride puts in front of him.

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silvas downward spiral has begun.

he'll be fighting Tank or GIANT Silva within 24 months, mark my words.

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Loss Ricardo Arona Decision (Unaminous) PRIDE-Final Conflict 2005 8/28/2005
Win Kazuhiro Nakamura TKO (Strikes) PRIDE-Critical Countdown 2005 6/26/2005
Win Hidehiko Yoshida Decision (Split) PRIDE-Total Elimination 2005 4/23/2005
Loss Mark Hunt Decision (Split) PRIDE-Shockwave 2004 12/31/2004
Win Quinton Jackson KO PRIDE 28-High Octane 10/31/2004
Win Yuki Kondo KO PRIDE-Final Conflict 2004 8/15/2004
Win Ikuhisa Minowa KO (Punches) PRIDE-Bushido 2 2/15/2004
Win Quinton Jackson TKO (Strikes) PRIDE-Final Conflict 2003 11/9/2003
Win Hidehiko Yoshida Decision (Unanimous) PRIDE-Final Conflict 2003 11/9/2003
Win Kazushi Sakuraba KO (Punch) PRIDE-Total Elimination 2003 8/10/2003
Win Hiromitsu Kanehara TKO (Towel) PRIDE 23-Championship Chaos 2 11/24/2002
Win Tatsuya Iwasaki TKO (Strikes) PRIDE-Shockwave 8/28/2002
Draw Mirko Filipovic Draw PRIDE 20-Armed and Ready 4/28/2002
Win Kiyoshi Tamura TKO (Punch) PRIDE 19-Bad Blood 2/24/2002
Win Alexander Otsuka TKO (Doctor Stoppage) PRIDE 18-Cold Fury 2 12/23/2001
Win Kazushi Sakuraba TKO (Doctor Stoppage) PRIDE 17-Championship Chaos 11/3/2001
Win Shungo Oyama TKO (Strikes) PRIDE 14-Clash of the Titans 5/27/2001
Win Kazushi Sakuraba TKO (Strikes) PRIDE 13-Collision Course 3/25/2001
Win Dan Henderson Decision PRIDE 12-Cold Fury 12/9/2000
NC Gilbert Yvel No Contest - Yvel Kicked in Groin PRIDE 11-Battle of the Rising Sun 10/31/2000
Win Guy Mezger KO (Punches) PRIDE 10-Return of the Warriors 8/27/2000
Win Todd Medina KO (Knees) Meca 2-Meca World Vale Tudo 2 8/12/2000
Loss Tito Ortiz Decision (Unanimous) UFC 25-Ultimate Japan 3 4/14/2000
Win Bob Schrijber Submission (Rear Naked Choke) PRIDE Grand Prix 2000-Opening Round 1/30/2000
Win Daijiro Matsui Decision PRIDE 8-PRIDE 8 11/21/1999
Win Carl Malenko Decision PRIDE 7-PRIDE 7 9/12/1999
Win Tony Petarra KO (Knee to the Head) UFC 20-Battle for the Gold 5/7/1999
Win Eugene Jackson Submission (Punches) IVC 10-World Class Champions 4/27/1999
Win Adrian Serrano KO (Punches and Kick) IVC 9-The Revenge 1/20/1999
Loss Vitor Belfort TKO (Strikes) UFC Brazil-Ultimate Brazil 10/16/1998
Win Mike Van Arsdale KO (Punch and Kick) IVC 6-The Challenge 8/23/1998
Loss Artur Mariano TKO (Cut) IVC 2-A Question of Pride 9/15/1997
Win Egidio da Costa Submission (Punches) IVC 2-A Question of Pride 9/15/1997
Win Sean Bormet KO (Kick) IVC 2-A Question of Pride 9/15/1997
Win Marcelao Marcelao Submission (Shoulder Injury) BVF 10-Brazilian Vale Tudo Fighting 10 7/1/1997
Win Dilson Filho


Win Jeremy Horn TKO UFC 54-Boiling Point 8/20/2005
Win Randy Couture KO (Punches) UFC 52-Couture vs Liddell 2 4/16/2005
Win Vernon White KO (Punch) UFC 49-Unfinished Business 8/21/2004
Win Tito Ortiz KO (Punches) UFC 47-It's On 4/2/2004
Loss Quinton Jackson TKO (Strikes) PRIDE-Final Conflict 2003 11/9/2003
Win Alistair Overeem KO (Strikes) PRIDE-Total Elimination 2003 8/10/2003
Loss Randy Couture TKO (Punches) UFC 43-Meltdown 6/6/2003
Win Renato Sobral KO (Head Kick) UFC 40-Vendetta 11/22/2002
Win Vitor Belfort Decision (Unanimous) UFC 37.5-As Real As It Gets 6/22/2002
Win Amar Suloev Decision (Unanimous) UFC 35-Throwdown 1/11/2002
Win Murilo Bustamante Decision (Unanimous) UFC 33-Victory in Vegas 9/28/2001
Win Guy Mezger KO (Punch) PRIDE 14-Clash of the Titans 5/27/2001
Win Kevin Randleman KO (Punches) UFC 31-Locked & Loaded 5/4/2001
Win Jeff Monson Decision UFC 29-Defense of the Belts 12/16/2000
Win Steve Heath KO (Kick to the Head) IFC WC 9-Warriors Challenge 9 7/18/2000
Win Paul Jones TKO (Strikes) UFC 22-There Can Be Only One Champion 9/24/1999
Win Kenneth Williams Submission (Rear Naked Choke) NG 11-Neutral Grounds 11 3/31/1999
Loss Jeremy Horn TKO (Arm Triangle Choke) UFC 19-Ultimate Young Guns 3/5/1999
Win Jose Landi-Jons Decision (Unanimous) IVC 6-The Challenge 8/23/1998
Win Noe Hernandez Decision UFC 17-Redemption 5/15/1998

Chuck fights higher quality opponets. This is not Silvas fault, but I feel pride babies him a little. A lot of his wins are vs japanese "pro wrestlers". And I know Silva has grown as a fighter, but fact remains out of the four legit top 10 LHM's he's fought he's 1-3 with losses to belfort, tito and arona and a win from jackson.

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out of the four legit top 10 LHM's he's fought he's 1-3 with losses to belfort, tito and arona and a win from jackson.
He fought jackson twice, so thats 2-3, and Yoshida is in, or close to the top 10, which would make him 4-3.
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His first win against Jackson I don't really consider a full win. Tourney's are to difficult..Silva wasn't nearly as beaten up coming into the finals as Jackson was. Not to say he still wouldn't have won, but their rematch shows Jackson was a much tougher challenge then originally. And Yoshida? Sorry but no.
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So his loss in a tourny counts, but not his win?
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The difference is his loss in the tourney was his first fight of the night, both fighters were completely fresh. His win over Jackson in the tourney was the final. Silvas grappling match with Yoshida paled in comparison to the war Liddel and Jackson went through. The win still counts, sure, but you see my point.

All I'm really getting at here is I don't think Silva is the clear cut #1 LHW in the world anymore. And that's not to say he isnt the best LHW ever, but we're not talking about ever we're talking about current. Shogun in his last four fights beat Nog, Overeem, Jackon and Arona. That's insane. Chuck last four fights have been wins over tito, randy, horn and vernon. Silvas last four fights have been wins over Yoshida and Nakamura with losses to Hunt and Arona. Just something to think about.
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If Silva wins a rematch against Arona, I think you have to place him back at #1. Right now it's a toss up between Shogun and Liddel, with Arona and Couture in close contention as well.
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Yeah, It's really between five guys: Liddel, Silva, Shogun, Arona and Couture. A few things need to happen...
Couture vs Liddel 3
Silva vs Arona 2
Shogun vs winner

I think we'll have a better idea then.
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