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Old 12-13-2010, 02:04 AM   #151 (permalink)
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So does anybody with military experience know how the system will work once/if they decide to charge Manning? Who decides what the charges will be, is Treason on the table, etc?
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Old 12-13-2010, 11:01 AM   #152 (permalink)
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Blond, I'm pretty sure my company can't ask me to not read the news...that's what I was referring to.

As for Manning, he'll be tried and courtmartialed under the UCMJ - Uniform Code of Military Justice.

US will press criminal charges against Manning, alleged Wikileaks source - Boing Boing

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Old 12-13-2010, 05:55 PM   #153 (permalink)
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So I was just thinking; those news outlets that are calling for the head of anybody with Wikileaks are actually being quite hypocritical as they are doing essentially the same thing Wikileaks did.

Wikileaks just posted information that somebody else had stolen; the news outlets are running stories containing the information from the leaks that are newsworthy, while on the editorial page calling for the blood of Wikileaks.

In reality, if the information was just on the Wikileaks site in it's original and raw form, the public at large would not actually take the time to read it and sort it to get to the controversial parts.

Clearly it is not exactly the same, but the news outlets are posting information from the leaks, which they are criticizing Wikileaks for.

Although again, I place Manning as the villain here, with Wikileaks being more ambiguous.
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Old 12-13-2010, 10:24 PM   #154 (permalink)
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It's clearly not, though...the trial is going to be interesting, that's for sure.
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Blond, I'm pretty sure my company can't ask me to not read the news...that's what I was referring to.
Don't you take that tone with me, Mr.!!!

I thought you were talking about the responsibility of News outlets when I read that. Like the Guardian, etc. Saying that it was alright for them to post the leaks -- to which I was saying "It's not alright though, because of what is happening to Wikileaks". Misunderstanding on my part.

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Old 12-13-2010, 10:26 PM   #155 (permalink)
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So I was just thinking; those news outlets that are calling for the head of anybody with Wikileaks are actually being quite hypocritical as they are doing essentially the same thing Wikileaks did.

Wikileaks just posted information that somebody else had stolen; the news outlets are running stories containing the information from the leaks that are newsworthy, while on the editorial page calling for the blood of Wikileaks.

In reality, if the information was just on the Wikileaks site in it's original and raw form, the public at large would not actually take the time to read it and sort it to get to the controversial parts.

Clearly it is not exactly the same, but the news outlets are posting information from the leaks, which they are criticizing Wikileaks for.

Although again, I place Manning as the villain here, with Wikileaks being more ambiguous.
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Rape case aside, it's been said the US is going to charge him of spying. How is that going to work when there are myriad other news companies (which is what wikileaks is) that also posted leaked information?
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Old 12-13-2010, 10:57 PM   #156 (permalink)
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World governments still don't know how the Internet works: Here Come The WikiLeaks Copycats: IndoLeaks, BrusselsLeaks And BalkanLeaks - Andy Greenberg - The Firewall - Forbes

Sidenote, would Manning have been caught if he didn't brag about it to his "buddy" online?

Reminds me of that quote from Layer Cake (although not about a murder, still damn good advice in general);

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Old 12-13-2010, 11:04 PM   #157 (permalink)
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Old 12-14-2010, 02:56 PM   #159 (permalink)
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The inhumane conditions of Bradley Manning's detention - Glenn Greenwald - Salon.com

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The WikiLeaks wake up call - Opinion - Al Jazeera English

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As the Guardian's columnist Simon Jenkins put it: "Disclosure is messy and tests moral and legal boundaries. It is often irresponsible and usually embarrassing. But it is all that is left when regulation does nothing, politicians are cowed, lawyers fall silent and audit is polluted. Accountability can only default to disclosure. As Jefferson remarked, the press is the last best hope when democratic oversight fails, as it does in the case of most international bodies."

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Julian Assange interview - FROST OVER THE WORLD - Al Jazeera English
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This is disgusting. I've been drifting from CNN for a while but this was the coup de grace for me, i'll never willfully get information from them again.
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