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Unread 05-06-2010, 09:08 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Bullshit? Justified? Anti-brown?

What are your thoughts, you fucks are the ones living in the states (most of you, anyways).

I'd imagine that SittinonDubs has the best perspective, both living in AZ and being border patrol. This affect anybody else?


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Unread 05-06-2010, 09:32 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Unread 05-06-2010, 10:53 PM   #3 (permalink)
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I generally don't like SB1070, but we need to do something to get rid of all these spics. Now we wouldn't need new laws if we would just enforce the goddamn laws we already have.

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Unread 05-07-2010, 09:53 AM   #5 (permalink)
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Ok. For the most part, this law has been enforced before it was even a law. Local/State police departments (PDs) would often encounter illegal aliens (IAs) in their regular duties, and if they were unable to produce any ID or they suspected they were IAs, they would just call Border Patrol (BP) or Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE).

Most of the reasonable arguments have been regarding the issue of profiling/harassment and questioning what would constitute "reasonable suspicion" in order to question citizenship status.

Although some people are being reasonable and logical in their arguments on the issues stated above, the vast majority of people are being incredibly ignorant with their debates and just immediately play the "racist" angle.

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Requires a reasonable attempt to be made to determine the immigration status of a person DURING ANY LEGITIMATE CONTACT made by an official or agency of the state or a county, city, town or political subdivision (political subdivision) if reasonable suspicion exists that the person is an alien who is unlawfully present in the U.S.
-in my opinion this is the most important part of the issue at hand regarding enforcement.

For the most part, it is expected of you in any other country to have proper documents in order to be there. Other countries requirements and penalties are far more strict than what ours are. I don't see the big deal.


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I generally don't like SB1070, but we need to do something to get rid of all these spics. Now we wouldn't need new laws if we would just enforce the goddamn laws we already have.
Essentially, all this does is give local/state PDs the authority to enforce Federal Law. So why do you not like it?

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I basically agree with dubs; this is being framed as something it really isn't by the cunty sensationalist media.

Basically a procedural step that allows for a way to check immigration status of criminals is a sound and fundamentally good idea. If this actually was "pullng brown people over and asking for their 'papers' " that would be absurd, but it isn't. I understand some people are viewing it as the thin edge of the wedge of that, and I understand why they are hesitant in that case. To act as if it is in and of itself a crime against humanity to have a framework to enforce immigration laws, however, is a joke.

Having a nanny state providing untold benefits for moochers paid for by the productive members of society is incompatible with having a completly free immigration system, the two are unsustainable together, but many of those making this into a shitstorm demand both.

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I'm proud of Arizona for taking care of state business when the federal gov't is failing. I really like it when states do stuff like this because the federal gov't is out of control and too big, while states just cower and beg for federal funds. When the Arizona governor stood by her decision to sign the bill amidst criticism, I was very, very proud. She need more leadership like her.
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