Some movies I've enjoyed recently

[Repugnant Abomination]

I've never thought the whole Santa thing was a good idea. It seems to be contradictory to what Christmas is all about - giving. Why lie to your kids about it? I think it's much more rewarding to know your family is giving the gifts.

On the other hand, I don't like shattering a child's sense of wonder. We're all so goddamn jaded and cynical; let the kids hold onto whatever magic they can, even if it's a lie.

Obviously I'm torn.

[Mr. Mistoffelees]

the only thing torn is your asshole

I didn't like 4 Christmases, there was very little funny.

[f3lix]

Epic Movie - Epic Fail

Pan's Labyrinth - Amazing. Great story, acting, soundtrack. Wow.

[SittinOnDubsWGW]

Originally Posted by f3lix

Epic Movie - Epic Fail

Pan's Labyrinth - Amazing. Great story, acting, soundtrack. Wow.

I dunno about epic movie, but i didn't plan on wathcing b/c it looked awful;
Pans Lab was fucking good though.

Originally Posted by THEINCREDIBLEdork

the only thing torn is your asshole

I didn't like 4 Christmases, there was very little funny.

4 xmas' fucking sucked.

[Mr. Mistoffelees]

Originally Posted by f3lix

Pan's Labyrinth - Amazing.

them critters freaked me the fuck out

[TwoBlackEyes]

The hardest core movie I've seen in a long time was Pan's Labarynth. I wonder how many parents took their kids to see it, not realizing that they'd get to watch a guy's face get pounded in with a bottle or someone's leg sawn off without anaesthesia?

[Ugly Bastard]

Saw this one last night. I was actually thoroughly impressed. It was very entertaining and also (imo) a very honest portrayal of the man. Evil, wretched war criminal? Hardly. Just a good ol' boy trying to do his best for the nation that elected him. Great movie.

[Repugnant Abomination]

Originally Posted by Ugly Bastard

Just a good ol' boy trying to do his best for the nation that elected him. Great movie.

Excuse me while I throw up.

[Ugly Bastard]

Oh wow... Repug self-identifies with the "zomg Bush is so evil I can't wait till 1.20.09!!!" group? What a shocker!

[TwoBlackEyes]

Originally Posted by Ugly Bastard

Oh wow... Repug self-identifies with the "zomg Bush is so evil I can't wait till 1.20.09!!!" group? What a shocker!

YOu mean he self-identifies with just under 80% of the country? Shocker.

[Ugly Bastard]

I guess the whole mob-mentality Bush-bashing thing just kinda bothers me. It's just kinda pathetic. Many of these people nailing him to the cross voted for him... twice! It's like... check the fuckin' mirror a little before you go hurling rocks.

[Repugnant Abomination]

And likewise, the whole going against whatever popular opinion is merely because it's the popular opinion is what bothers me. You did the exact same thing with Active. It's like your way of trying to stand out or something.

[Ugly Bastard]

Yea I have lots of pent-up needs to be special and loved.

[TwoBlackEyes]

Originally Posted by Ugly Bastard

I guess the whole mob-mentality Bush-bashing thing just kinda bothers me. It's just kinda pathetic. Many of these people nailing him to the cross voted for him... twice! It's like... check the fuckin' mirror a little before you go hurling rocks.

So when you make a mistake, you should never, ever be upset with the results?

(that was a rhetorical question)

Also, are you claiming that casting a vote for someone stupid is on the same level as leading an entire nation into a recession through inept leadership and driving our country into a record-breaking deficit?

Because I've looked into the mirror, and while I do occasionally do some stupid things, I haven't yet driven a once-powerful nation into recession. But I did actually pay money to see Indiana Jones 4, so that's about the same level of stupidity, right?

[Repugnant Abomination]

Originally Posted by Ugly Bastard

Yea I have lots of pent-up needs to be special and loved.

Clearly.

All of these Bush apologists is what should sicken you, not the people calling him out for his bullshit.

[Ugly Bastard]

I voted for Bush in 2004 and I'm very upset with him. He's been a highly disappointing President and I hope we all learned a lesson about the downsides of putting someone intellectually unqualified into office. I don't need to hurl shoes at him or coat my car in Obama bumper stickers to release this frustration.

[Repugnant Abomination]

Fair enough. I do think some of the Bush hate is over the top and incessantly annoying, but I can understand it a lot more than I can understand trying to apologize for him, or worse, revising his Presidency to paint him in a better light.

[Ugly Bastard]

Originally Posted by Repugnant Abomination

I do think some of the Bush hate is over the top and incessantly annoying

Then we're on the same page because...

Originally Posted by Repugnant Abomination

but I can understand it a lot more than I can understand trying to apologize for him, or worse, revising his Presidency to paint him in a better light.

I was never trying to do that in the first place, and I don't think Oliver Stone was either. Just trying to cut out all the dramatic BS and be a little honest about the situation. It's like... we get it... he's not that intelligent and made for a really awful President. I don't see any need to beat that into the ground. Move on and hope to make a better choice next time.

[Repugnant Abomination]

+1

Perhaps I was too quick to pounce. I can't help it, it's my kitty-cat nature.

[ninjaface]

Originally Posted by Repugnant Abomination

+1

Perhaps I was too quick to pounce. I can't help it, it's my kitty-cat nature.

Pussy.

[DJ FC]

Clinton and Greenspan gave us this recession, not Bush.

[tonguegina]

I've never been a Bush fan. I was rooting for Gore in 2000 and voted for Kerry in '04, and even I think that some people are going a little overboard with their criticisms of Bush. He made some poor decisions while in office, but I think it falls back on the citizens for making the poor decision of electing him...twice!

Anyway...W. was alright. I've never been a big Oliver Stone fan. JFK was great, parts of Natural Born Killers is good, he did one in the late '80s with Eric Bogosian, Alec Baldwin, and John C. McGinley called Talk Radio that was pretty good. Anyway, I thought that W. was well written and some of the actors were phenomenal. Josh Brolin has had good performances in a few films lately, Richard Dreyfus was awesome as Cheney, and I really liked Jeffrey Wright as Colin Powell. They just sort of glazed over some topics that I expected to be integral parts of the film, though. It's really the story of a son trying to get his father's attention and connect with him. I thought it was very Field of Dreams with all of the baseball inserts, and I never got into those sort of stories.

[Mr. Blonde]

Originally Posted by George W. Bush

Clinton and Greenspan gave us this recession, not Bush.

Now its "us"? Make up your mind on which side of the pond your loyalties lie.

Originally Posted by tonguegina

I've never been a Bush fan. I was rooting for Gore in 2000 and voted for Kerry in '04, and even I think that some people are going a little overboard with their criticisms of Bush. He made some poor decisions while in office, but I think it falls back on the citizens for making the poor decision of electing him...twice!

This. I voted for Kerry in 04. One of my favorite quotes by one of my favorite people to quote:

“Democracy is a device that insures we shall be governed no better than we deserve.”

>George Bernard Shaw

[DDTempest]

Originally Posted by George W. Bush

Clinton and Greenspan gave us this recession, not Bush.

Uhhhh how you figure?

[TwoBlackEyes]

Originally Posted by George W. Bush

Clinton and Greenspan gave us this recession, not Bush.

So, here's a hypothetical:

I put an infant in front of a very slowly moving steamroller. Bad idea, I admit, but we all make some dumb decisions.

The guy driving the steamroller is going slow. Very slow. But he has work to do and his pay will get docked if he stops. So he ignored the infant for 8 hours as he drove slowly towards it, despite hundreds and thousands of people trying to warn him about what he was driving towards.

When the baby gets run over, whose fault is it? Mine? Or the dumbass driving the steamroller?

Bush had two terms under which he was constantly warned about the dangers of the housing bubble. But the economy was looking good from the outside, considering it was all built on credit, so he ignored the warnings. Over. And over.

Yeah, the legislation Clinton signed was dumb. Yeah, Greenspan fucked up too. But George Bush is the one who really screwed the pooch on this one.