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Unread 12-17-2011, 02:25 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I am very excited for this movie. For those not aware, it is a sort of Alien prequel, but doesn't deal directly with the Xenomorphs from the original movies. It focuses on the "Space Jockey", the giant being that the camera only focuses on for 1 minute in the original Alien, who were piloting the ship that the Xenomorphs were found on. Ever since i saw Alien when I was a kid, I was always mystified by the fact that humans stumbled evidence of at least two extra-terrestrial species at once, and we practically know nothing about either of them. The movie also focuses on man's humble beginnings, hence the title of the movie. I'm really excited.



This is the most telling interview of the premise of the movie so far, with director Ridley Scott. I have high hopes for a good, realistic scifi movie, because a lot of the ones out lately have just been shit.

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Very looking forward to this movie.

The part in Alien when Ash gets his head smashed off with the fire extinguisher used to scare the hell out of me. (It still does.)

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how did i not see this big guy in the original movie? dammit do i have to watch it again?

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how did i not see this big guy in the original movie? dammit do i have to watch it again?
The first time I saw it I completely missed it too. They don't focus on it at all, really.

@Gaz, any chance of moving this to "Reviews"? I didn't mean to put it in "News"
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The UK trailer blows the US one out of the water. Figures the US one would capitalize on basically every explosion and action shot in the movie, not to mention give away what seems to be the entire plot.
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Agreed. Is a badass trailer. Def wanna see it when it comes out.
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I actually prefer just a link. I start the movie and realize how small it is. Then I realize I can't make it full screen. By then I'm 2 minutes into the video and don't want to go to utube and risk a commercial or watch the beginning again.

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I actually prefer just a link. I start the movie and realize how small it is. Then I realize I can't make it full screen. By then I'm 2 minutes into the video and don't want to go to utube and risk a commercial or watch the beginning again.
Try it again. The code for linked videos has been fixed in the last few days. You can now go full screen straight from Nubblies. Thank God.


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This movie was an absolute mind-fuck. Not in the sense that there was some crazy twist, but in the sheer terror that it conveys. Science fiction in its purest form has always been a vehicle to put characters in an extreme situation and study how they react, Prometheus fills that role exceptionally.

The "Space Jockies" have the same DNA as man, they are proto-man or Omega-man in the sense that they have gone to the very limits of what the human body is capable of becoming. They've created a biological weapon so potent that it is nigh-impossible for it to not destroy a population. Even the Aliens that result from this lineage seem mild compared to the source plague.

Fassbender turns the creepy dial up to "11" with his portrayal of an inquisitive android.

And Stringer Bell has the best piece of dialogue in the entire movie, which is accompanied by accordian.

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I'm pretty sure Charlize Theron's character was a robot.

1) She called Weyland "father", at the beginning he said David was "the closest thing I have to a son."

2) They refer to her maybe-being-a-robot but then kind of deny it when she invites Stringer Bell to her room. But they don't show what happens next. So can't really draw any conclusions.

3) She didn't act like a robot, obviously, being in a hypersleep. My thought is that no one is supposed to know she's a robot, but I don't know why... maybe she's supposed to inherit the corporation? There was a reference to that.

4) Weyland not being able to have children -> being obsessively scared of dying fits in well with the Freudism being kicked around pretty liberally in this movie (engineers killing their offspring and vice-versa, a mother literally aborting herself, overuse of symbolism-in-dreams, on and on and on...)

5) Only a robot can have an ass like that.


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Spoiler in last sentence.....

I really enjoyed this movie. It's sad how many eye rolls most science fiction movies give me, but Prometheus managed to keep them to one at most (taking ship down scene)

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I thought the movie was pretty bad compared to Alien. It's not finished but here are some of my problems with the movie:



Right, so let's start with things I liked. That's fair.

- It was good that they practically jumped straight into the end of the space voyage. It was reminiscent of 2001: A Space Odyssey in that way; unless you had read the book, you had no idea what happened between discovering the monolith on the Moon and about halfway to the journey to Jupiter. Most of this is unnecessary to the plot or could be covered with references later (which it was)

- The visuals of the film were absolutely spectacular. Major props to the concept artists and the CGI folk who put it together. I particularly liked the intricacy of all the cloud formation and the "pup" scanning/readouts.


...Um, that's really about it. The great thing about Alien and Aliens, the only two movies from the original series that I enjoyed, was that they were relatively simple plots and spent a lot of time on character development. The characters were not cliche caricatures, at least as far as I remember. When someone died in those movies, even if you didn't like them, you had enough of their personality to actually give a shit when they died or not (whether good or bad) -- you weren't completely apathetic.

Prometheus was just the opposite. It didn't "feel" very simple at all and I was COMPLETELY apathetic when any of the characters died. Noomi "Cheekbones McGee" Rapace is a fucking terrible substitute for Sigourney Weaver.

Let's start with David, the android.

Right so he's basically a computer -- why in the hell would he need to *learn* languages, or learn anything for that matter? I can appreciate the idea of him intaking art (such as the movie he was mimicking near the beginning) in the same way humans do; this is important to relating to us. But languages? Why couldn't he just plugin and download that shit? That's sort of how computers work. They copy information from other sources. It's called "input", and I would think that if we can build lifelike artificial intelligence down to nosehairs, we should have the data replication thing covered.

The "mission briefing".

Do we really need the hologram of Weyland? What purpose at all did he serve? He didn't even relate to us the importance of the mission at hand -- he left that to the doctors to explain. So, other than to obviously prep us for later on in the movie, he had no purpose at all. This seemed superfluous to me.

On top of that, he said something akin to "for all intents and purposes, Dr's Holloway and Shaw are the boss". Um, alright. Even before this we already have a power struggle foreshadowing made pretty obvious between Vickers (Theron) and David (android). What purpose does it serve for Weyland to muck up the leadership waters even more, especially given his role later in the movie? Part of me wants to assume it's so he guarantees they are not hindered in finding what they are looking for, but then why would he let someone like Vickers on the ship at all? Yes, it's his daughter, but wouldn't he be able to put some kind of preventative measure into her being on the ship at all? I mean for fucks sake, he just spent a TRILLION DOLLARS on a mission to another galaxy, he can't prevent his moneygrubbing bitch daughter (or anyone with an authority role like her who may prevent the Dr.'s from doing their job, or become a nuisance for him later) from boarding the ship? I mean, god damn man.

Right, so on top of the mucky leadership planning, which is terrible for what I can only guess is likely the most wealthy corporation on the planet, it appears that most of the crew doesn't even know what they're doing. This makes a terrible amount of sense, it doesn't give the crew any time at ALL to emotionally prepare themselves for, oh I don't know, being in another galaxy and possibly finding the answer to the biggest question mankind as ever asked. And as long as we're on the subject, why are there so many emotionally fucked people on the crew anyways? That badass looking mohawk tattooed head geologist dude I thought would be calm, cool, and collected (although possibly violent and crazy) and he ended up pussying out at the first sight of some holograms and a suit of armor. Pretty sure psychological stalwartness is one of THE most important things about long-term space travel. Even moreso for a mission like this. So why hire crazies? In reality, almost none of the "zany and individualistic" personas on the ship would have made the cut. Vickers, Shaw and Ford are the most realistic personality types to be selected for such a mission -- the rest seem to be a huge liability.

Alright so then when they land they just happen to enter the atmosphere in the exact area where the huge mound structures are? From the outside that moon looked at least as big, if not bigger than Earth, which is possible depending on how huge the gas giant it was orbiting was. Regardless, even if it was half the size of Earth, that's still a HUGE amount of land to cover and it's unlikely (although possible) the moon was littered with such facilities. They couldn't have scanned the planet first instead of just leaving it down to "luck of the draw"? My suspension of disbelief can only take so much.

Alien biology --- what the fuck? slugs in the ground? Organic sludge? quad core alien seeds inside the vases? Why so much random fucking shit? What the fuck was in the vases? How did the slugs on the ground stay alive? Were they in a "chrysalis" stage triggered by the sludge? What purpose did it serve for David to contaminate Holloway, other than petty jealousy that he shouldn't even be programmed to fucking have in the first place? Was it to "take him out of the game" with finding/speaking to any remaining Engineers? So Holloway was prejudiced towards robots, who gives a fuck, he's a ROBOT. And why would he risk contaminating the whole ship? He didn't know what would happen after he infected him -- he could have infected god-damn Weyland! Fuck!

What the fuck happened to that Millburn guy? Last we saw he was getting his face melted off by bloodacid. Then he turns into some kind of crabwalking monster? How the fuck did that happen? What fucking purpose did that serve in the movie at all except shock/horror value? It has NOTHING to do with ANYTHING in the entire Alien franchise. I'm literally getting angry even typing it out, god damn.

Why did everyone just IGNORE that Shaw just got impregnated with a fucking ALIEN FETUS and performed self surgery on herself. After this it's like she's given a free pass for the rest of the movie to wander wherever she likes. Stumble into Weyland's secret awakening? Sure. Come (and very possibly jeopardize given her emotional and physical condition) on the trip to speak to the Engineer with a dying Weyland? Sure fuck it. David, who was hell bent on killing her husband and putting her into suspended animation, completely forgets about her once she removes the fetus. What the fuck man.

How did that supposedly dead (goddamn are xenomorphs indestructable?) tentacle thing that came out of her grow to the size it did without any food or nutrition? Did it just pull resources out of the air? It was like 100 times it's "out of the fetus" size at the end of the movie. All other alien/space travel shit aside, that's simply biologically fucking impossible. Although, now that I think about it, the same sort of thing happened in the original Alien movies, but at least they usually had killed at least one or two people to "feed" off of before growing to the size they did.

Was it clear to no one else in the movie that it didn't seem to me like the Engineers "hated" us as Shaw said near the end? I thought it was pretty obvious they were creating us as "lab rats/cattle" so to speak to serve as disposable surrogates for the xenomorph weapons they were creating for who knows what purposes. This explains the Engineer at the end's hostility towards us and why they wanted to send the little critters to Earth. Shaw, you dumb bitch, if they "hated" us they would have just nuked our fucking planet.

I'm sure I don't even have to mention the religious "because I choose to believe it" bullshit.


The huge amount of inconsistencies/illogical shit going on in the movie made it worse than LOST. And I liked LOST.

tl;dr movie is great for visuals. Didn't like the plot at fucking all. Also Charlize Theron's character was cliche as fuck.
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I'm pretty sure Charlize Theron's character was a robot.

1) She called Weyland "father", at the beginning he said David was "the closest thing I have to a son."

2) They refer to her maybe-being-a-robot but then kind of deny it when she invites Stringer Bell to her room. But they don't show what happens next. So can't really draw any conclusions.

3) She didn't act like a robot, obviously, being in a hypersleep. My thought is that no one is supposed to know she's a robot, but I don't know why... maybe she's supposed to inherit the corporation? There was a reference to that.

4) Weyland not being able to have children -> being obsessively scared of dying fits in well with the Freudism being kicked around pretty liberally in this movie (engineers killing their offspring and vice-versa, a mother literally aborting herself, overuse of symbolism-in-dreams, on and on and on...)

5) Only a robot can have an ass like that.

I completely forgot he said at the beginning he couldn't have kids. And also she could have been a predecessor to David, hence why he calls her "Ma" and also why she is able to manhandle him -- no human could do that I presume. I like this theory a lot, but why would they make it so obvious and then not cover it (after stringer bell supposedly fucks her -- btw he was most awesome character, unsurprisingly) later? And what purpose would this serve other than some sort of easter egg? What is her purpose?
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Let's start with David, the android.

Right so he's basically a computer -- why in the hell would he need to *learn* languages, or learn anything for that matter? I can appreciate the idea of him intaking art (such as the movie he was mimicking near the beginning) in the same way humans do; this is important to relating to us. But languages? Why couldn't he just plugin and download that shit? That's sort of how computers work. They copy information from other sources. It's called "input", and I would think that if we can build lifelike artificial intelligence down to nosehairs, we should have the data replication thing covered.
The idea of making a synthetic human being is to have them learn and act like a human being. Sure they are going to learn quicker and in a distorted way, but he is programmed to be curious and to always improve himself.

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The "mission briefing".

Do we really need the hologram of Weyland? What purpose at all did he serve? He didn't even relate to us the importance of the mission at hand -- he left that to the doctors to explain. So, other than to obviously prep us for later on in the movie, he had no purpose at all. This seemed superfluous to me.
So you didn't like it because in the future they make use of presentation technology that is available in the future? Half of science fiction is postulating on what basic technology has evolved to in the future. Additionally, this sets up the fact that he is "nearly dead" ... which makes the later reveal make sense. You can't just have an unknown entity pop out of an ice coffin later in the movie can you

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On top of that, he said something akin to "for all intents and purposes, Dr's Holloway and Shaw are the boss". Um, alright. Even before this we already have a power struggle foreshadowing made pretty obvious between Vickers (Theron) and David (android). What purpose does it serve for Weyland to muck up the leadership waters even more, especially given his role later in the movie? Part of me wants to assume it's so he guarantees they are not hindered in finding what they are looking for, but then why would he let someone like Vickers on the ship at all? Yes, it's his daughter, but wouldn't he be able to put some kind of preventative measure into her being on the ship at all? I mean for fucks sake, he just spent a TRILLION DOLLARS on a mission to another galaxy, he can't prevent his moneygrubbing bitch daughter (or anyone with an authority role like her who may prevent the Dr.'s from doing their job, or become a nuisance for him later) from boarding the ship? I mean, god damn man.
I would assume that he was put into the icebox before the ship left. Line of succession would give her "ownership" of the company in the event of his death, but since he is not dead she couldn't stop the mission from happening so she went along to make sure the negative financial impact to "her" company was kept to a minimum. He was probably in cryosleep before she decided to even come along.

In the future where mining / terraforming / and deep-space travel is possible, a TRILLION DOLLARS is going to be more comparable to millions of dollars today than a trillion dollars today.

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Right, so on top of the mucky leadership planning, which is terrible for what I can only guess is likely the most wealthy corporation on the planet, it appears that most of the crew doesn't even know what they're doing. This makes a terrible amount of sense, it doesn't give the crew any time at ALL to emotionally prepare themselves for, oh I don't know, being in another galaxy and possibly finding the answer to the biggest question mankind as ever asked. And as long as we're on the subject, why are there so many emotionally fucked people on the crew anyways? That badass looking mohawk tattooed head geologist dude I thought would be calm, cool, and collected (although possibly violent and crazy) and he ended up pussying out at the first sight of some holograms and a suit of armor. Pretty sure psychological stalwartness is one of THE most important things about long-term space travel. Even moreso for a mission like this. So why hire crazies? In reality, almost none of the "zany and individualistic" personas on the ship would have made the cut. Vickers, Shaw and Ford are the most realistic personality types to be selected for such a mission -- the rest seem to be a huge liability.
Space travel in the future is a more casual affair. Jobs are just jobs and the need for stalwartness is removed once you put someone in hypersleep. You go to sleep, you wake up, you do a simple job, and you go back to sleep ... you are removed from every day life for years at a time, people willing to do that are probably not the most mentally stable anyway - think more like oil platform workers today than astronauts.

Also: not everyone in a science fiction movie has seen science fiction movies ... while we know what to do in an alien discovery, zombie apocalypse, or armageddon ... they do not.

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note the auto surgery pod in her room wasn't for chicks. It was there for her "dad"

Most of the answers for the movie can be answered by

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Note the surgery pod in her room was nOt for chicks, it was for her "dad"

Most of the answers for the movie can be interpreted by the droids words. "the movies raises more questions than it answers" is cliche. I don't want the movie to spell everything out. I hope this movie does well at the box office so more are made like it. It sucks all big budget science fiction has to be rated pg13

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The idea of making a synthetic human being is to have them learn and act like a human being. Sure they are going to learn quicker and in a distorted way, but he is programmed to be curious and to always improve himself.
He wasn't learning languages just for curiosity/improvement though. He was learning them with the express purpose of communicating with the Engineers.
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