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Repugnant Abomination · 07-09-2011, 12:50 AM

Yeah seriously, wtf. I've had a full time job for a few years now and pay my taxes just like everyone else. And Mistoffelees hit the nail on the head: it's easy to be for less taxes when you're still living a cush life on your parents dime.

I'm not for over taxation of any kind. I think some are really important, but of course too many are bad, and of course the incentive should always be for people to work and not leech off the system.

Mr. Blonde · 07-09-2011, 01:04 AM

In related news, the cuts to NASA lately have been fucking depressing as fuck. If you don't support NASA or aren't angry with the cuts recently, you are a fucking retard living in a fantasy world.

Saint DH · 07-09-2011, 01:06 AM

It's easier to be for less taxes when you aren't paying taxes than it is when you are? That doesn't make a lot of sense.

I'm against taxes because any type of institution that benefits from all your upside but absorbs none of your downside is bullshit. I don't have to pay taxes or be poor to know bullshit when I see it.

Mr. Blonde · 07-09-2011, 01:11 AM

I think the main point here DH is that if you want to be taken seriously, you need to get a job.

Repugnant Abomination · 07-09-2011, 01:13 AM

Saint DH · 07-09-2011, 01:22 AM

You don't even pay sales tax in America Blonde, stfu.

Mr. Blonde · 07-09-2011, 02:34 AM

And yet, despite having only a 6 month age gap, I have worked some form of a job since I was 16, therefore still have contributed more taxes to the US government than you, despite being out of country for 2 and a half years. I shall continue to speak!

DDTempest · 07-09-2011, 06:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dirty Harry

I'm against taxes because any type of institution that benefits from all your upside but absorbs none of your downside is bullshit. I don't have to pay taxes or be poor to know bullshit when I see it.

Absorbs none of your downsides? Like your house catching on fire? Crime? Roads going to shit? DO YOU LIKE FUCKING ROADS? How about absorbing the brunt of any foreign nation's aggression? Does that count as a downside? How about when you are old and worthless and contribute nothing to society but your ill health and your fond memories of when the country "used to be" a better place? Is that fucking downside?

Yeah, that tax money is just absorbing all your upsides and none of your downsides ... lets not talk about creating jobs, for example: accountants.

DJ FC · 07-09-2011, 06:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Repugnant Abomination

Yeah seriously, wtf. I've had a full time job for a few years now and pay my taxes just like everyone else.

Do you pay significantly more than 50% in taxes like I do?

DJ FC · 07-09-2011, 06:46 AM

DH is kind of right here though:

The most you can get out of the government on the downside is a very minimal and miserable living. But on the upside they take from you a massive chunk of your wealth.

DJ FC · 07-09-2011, 06:49 AM

Also: DD please don't argue that when the government taxes us that 100% of that tax money is effeciently used. Please don't try to argue that there isn't government waste and inefficiency. In reality there's probably more waste and inefficiency than value put back into socienty.

Mr. Blonde · 07-09-2011, 07:53 AM

I don't think anybody is going to argue that the government isn't inefficient. The question is, how to make it not be. Even with a smaller government, it will still be inefficient, no?

DJ FC · 07-09-2011, 08:37 AM

Of course!

What I'm saying is this: when it comes to government you always get less than you pay for.

Mr. Blonde · 07-09-2011, 08:44 AM

So what do you have to say to the fact that Reagan raised taxes and left a deficit?

f3lix · 07-09-2011, 09:42 AM

AP - you're dead wrong on everything you've said about my personal finances outside of the currently "unemployed" comment. That doesn't mean I'm still not generated a revenue through multiple other sources. This thread is a rarity in which I see you making bigoted comments.

Saint DH · 07-09-2011, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by DDTempest

Absorbs none of your downsides? Like your house catching on fire? Crime? Roads going to shit? DO YOU LIKE FUCKING ROADS? How about absorbing the brunt of any foreign nation's aggression? Does that count as a downside? How about when you are old and worthless and contribute nothing to society but your ill health and your fond memories of when the country "used to be" a better place? Is that fucking downside?

Yeah, that tax money is just absorbing all your upsides and none of your downsides ... lets not talk about creating jobs, for example: accountants.

When I'm refering to upside and downside, I'm talking about when you're making money and when you're losing money. I look at this from the standpoint of a business owner. When you lose money, the most you can do is a loss carryback for two years. You can do a loss carry forward, but that's only going to help if you start making money again. I guess, if you're paying the AMT, that you can do a NOL deduction. This is very little downside absorption.

As far as your talk of job creation goes, give me a fucking break. The government creates regulation which costs businesses billions of dollars. Oh, but yes, they must hire more people to follow these regulations.

I like how you assume that I will ever receive medicare or social security when I'm older. Fat chance that'll happen.

f3lix · 07-09-2011, 12:20 PM

To further my stance that, I'm "unemployed" and could file for unemployment benefits, but I do not believe it is the governments role to play Robin Hood and will not apply for it.

DJ FC · 07-09-2011, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Blonde

So what do you have to say to the fact that Reagan raised taxes and left a deficit?

Tax as a percent of GDP decreased under Reagan, not increased.

Saint DH · 07-09-2011, 01:06 PM

He was also promised by the Democratic congress that if he raised taxes, they would cut spending. He raised corporate taxes, but the democrats reneged.

angry pancake · 07-09-2011, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by f3lix

this thread is a rarity in which I see you making bigoted comments.

And this is where you're dead wrong. I make bigoted comments all the time. It's who I am and what I do. . . . This is the shit talking forum after all.

Mr. Blonde · 07-09-2011, 01:32 PM

I was a bit surprised at that comment, AP hates on black people an Koreans all the time. F3lix got off easy.

angry pancake · 07-09-2011, 01:39 PM

And poor people because they smell like piss. And mexicans too. Goddamned Turks of north America.

Repugnant Abomination · 07-09-2011, 01:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ FC

Do you pay significantly more than 50% in taxes like I do?

No, of course not - I don't make nearly as much as you do.

angry pancake · 07-09-2011, 02:31 PM

Or live in a place with a 50%+ tax bracket.

DDTempest · 07-10-2011, 07:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ FC

Also: DD please don't argue that when the government taxes us that 100% of that tax money is effeciently used. Please don't try to argue that there isn't government waste and inefficiency. In reality there's probably more waste and inefficiency than value put back into socienty.

This is a great notion that we could privatize everything with better results. In theory private business always outperforms government but in actuality you are going to get some coverage gaps.

Example: Roads. You are a businessman, are you going to pay for the roads that connect my residence to your business so that I can make it to you? How about from other people's houses? Which group of businesses are going to band together to create bridges and highways? These are capital intensive projects that can easily argued were done far over an efficient cost but have benefited this country and vicariously the ADVANCEMENT OF THE ENTIRE WORLD ECONOMY.

Nobody can argue that the government efficiently uses our money, but to act like the benefits of your taxation don't far outweigh the costs is a bit of a stretch.

07-09-2011, 06:46 AM	#35 (permalink)
DJ FC MURICAN Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Virginia Posts: 5,136 Internets: 250185	DH is kind of right here though: The most you can get out of the government on the downside is a very minimal and miserable living. But on the upside they take from you a massive chunk of your wealth.
	The basis of our governments being the opinion of the people, the very first object should be to keep that right; and were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers, or newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate a moment to prefer the latter. But I should mean that every man should receive those papers and be capable of reading them.

07-09-2011, 06:49 AM	#36 (permalink)
DJ FC MURICAN Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Virginia Posts: 5,136 Internets: 250185	Also: DD please don't argue that when the government taxes us that 100% of that tax money is effeciently used. Please don't try to argue that there isn't government waste and inefficiency. In reality there's probably more waste and inefficiency than value put back into socienty.
	The basis of our governments being the opinion of the people, the very first object should be to keep that right; and were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers, or newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate a moment to prefer the latter. But I should mean that every man should receive those papers and be capable of reading them.

07-09-2011, 08:37 AM	#38 (permalink)
DJ FC MURICAN Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Virginia Posts: 5,136 Internets: 250185	Of course! What I'm saying is this: when it comes to government you always get less than you pay for.
	The basis of our governments being the opinion of the people, the very first object should be to keep that right; and were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers, or newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate a moment to prefer the latter. But I should mean that every man should receive those papers and be capable of reading them.

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07-09-2011, 12:50 AM	#26 (permalink)
Repugnant Abomination Almost there... Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 5,979 Internets: 161638	Yeah seriously, wtf. I've had a full time job for a few years now and pay my taxes just like everyone else. And Mistoffelees hit the nail on the head: it's easy to be for less taxes when you're still living a cush life on your parents dime. I'm not for over taxation of any kind. I think some are really important, but of course too many are bad, and of course the incentive should always be for people to work and not leech off the system.

07-09-2011, 01:04 AM	#27 (permalink)
Mr. Blonde Spice Master Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 17,969 Internets: 278288	In related news, the cuts to NASA lately have been fucking depressing as fuck. If you don't support NASA or aren't angry with the cuts recently, you are a fucking retard living in a fantasy world.

07-09-2011, 01:06 AM	#28 (permalink)
Saint DH Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 6,113 Internets: 284753	It's easier to be for less taxes when you aren't paying taxes than it is when you are? That doesn't make a lot of sense. I'm against taxes because any type of institution that benefits from all your upside but absorbs none of your downside is bullshit. I don't have to pay taxes or be poor to know bullshit when I see it.

07-09-2011, 01:11 AM	#29 (permalink)
Mr. Blonde Spice Master Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 17,969 Internets: 278288	I think the main point here DH is that if you want to be taken seriously, you need to get a job.

07-09-2011, 01:13 AM	#30 (permalink)
Repugnant Abomination Almost there... Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 5,979 Internets: 161638

07-09-2011, 01:22 AM	#31 (permalink)
Saint DH Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 6,113 Internets: 284753	You don't even pay sales tax in America Blonde, stfu.

07-09-2011, 02:34 AM	#32 (permalink)
Mr. Blonde Spice Master Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 17,969 Internets: 278288	And yet, despite having only a 6 month age gap, I have worked some form of a job since I was 16, therefore still have contributed more taxes to the US government than you, despite being out of country for 2 and a half years. I shall continue to speak!

07-09-2011, 07:53 AM	#37 (permalink)
Mr. Blonde Spice Master Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 17,969 Internets: 278288	I don't think anybody is going to argue that the government isn't inefficient. The question is, how to make it not be. Even with a smaller government, it will still be inefficient, no?

07-09-2011, 08:44 AM	#39 (permalink)
Mr. Blonde Spice Master Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 17,969 Internets: 278288	So what do you have to say to the fact that Reagan raised taxes and left a deficit?

07-09-2011, 09:42 AM	#40 (permalink)
f3lix Gangnam Style Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: DH's Massage Parlor Posts: 6,383 Internets: 213510	AP - you're dead wrong on everything you've said about my personal finances outside of the currently "unemployed" comment. That doesn't mean I'm still not generated a revenue through multiple other sources. This thread is a rarity in which I see you making bigoted comments.

07-09-2011, 12:20 PM	#42 (permalink)
f3lix Gangnam Style Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: DH's Massage Parlor Posts: 6,383 Internets: 213510	To further my stance that, I'm "unemployed" and could file for unemployment benefits, but I do not believe it is the governments role to play Robin Hood and will not apply for it.

07-09-2011, 01:06 PM	#44 (permalink)
Saint DH Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 6,113 Internets: 284753	He was also promised by the Democratic congress that if he raised taxes, they would cut spending. He raised corporate taxes, but the democrats reneged.

07-09-2011, 01:32 PM	#46 (permalink)
Mr. Blonde Spice Master Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 17,969 Internets: 278288	I was a bit surprised at that comment, AP hates on black people an Koreans all the time. F3lix got off easy.

07-09-2011, 01:39 PM	#47 (permalink)
angry pancake Jelqing for Jesus Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Charlotte's spare bedroom Posts: 3,079 Internets: 194538	And poor people because they smell like piss. And mexicans too. Goddamned Turks of north America.

07-09-2011, 02:31 PM	#49 (permalink)
angry pancake Jelqing for Jesus Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Charlotte's spare bedroom Posts: 3,079 Internets: 194538	Or live in a place with a 50%+ tax bracket.