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07-08-2011, 08:45 AM | #2 (permalink) |
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The basis of our governments being the opinion of the people, the very first object should be to keep that right; and were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers, or newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate a moment to prefer the latter. But I should mean that every man should receive those papers and be capable of reading them. |
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07-08-2011, 08:47 AM | #3 (permalink) | |
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Not this American. Don't you fret son, the Republicans are dying faster than you can say fish and chips.
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07-08-2011, 10:06 AM | #4 (permalink) |
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1. Lincoln
2. Washington . . . 44. FDR FDR fucked us so hard with entitlement programs, HUGE government, and removed the gold standard. Talk about short-term thinking voters. |
07-08-2011, 10:56 AM | #5 (permalink) |
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The basis of our governments being the opinion of the people, the very first object should be to keep that right; and were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers, or newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate a moment to prefer the latter. But I should mean that every man should receive those papers and be capable of reading them. |
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07-08-2011, 10:59 AM | #6 (permalink) | |
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07-08-2011, 11:50 AM | #9 (permalink) | |
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Read the full article dipshit, it took both of them to fully do away with the gold standard.
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07-08-2011, 01:55 PM | #10 (permalink) |
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I used to be amazed by the love Reagan got. But the overwhelming majority of Americans are completely stupid in this area --Felix included. Just his role in Iran-contra should have got his sorry ass put in prison. Those who suck Reagan's actor cock generally don't know shit about his policy.
There's been maybe twice in the US history that the country as we knew looked as if it might dissolve was a real possibility. The first was the civil war and the second was the depression. It was those FDR programs that probably staved off a revolution at the time until the US became the worlds's warehouse. I'd put Clinton over JFK. AP thinks that books are going to be kind to Bill Clinton. He objectively is the best president since FDR. |
07-08-2011, 03:59 PM | #11 (permalink) |
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If FDR had simply put a sunset clause on those laws, we'd be in an entirely different situation. Instead, he intentionally let them grow out of control. Via the legislation he signed, he was more socialistic than Obama.
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07-08-2011, 04:02 PM | #12 (permalink) |
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All Presidents suck. The nature of the position in and of itself ensures that the only people who make it to that office are lying, two-faced pricks. You get there by making promises you cannot deliver on.
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07-08-2011, 05:26 PM | #13 (permalink) |
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FDR was one of the worst presidents of all time. His social welfare programs (let's call them what they were) did not help the depression, they worsened it. Furthermore, he was a bastard to who tried to put an end to the presidential term limit.
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07-08-2011, 06:20 PM | #14 (permalink) |
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Reagan was a good president, but it's crazy how the GOP has essentially deified him. There's no way he would stand up to today's scrutiny and hyper-purity; he raised taxes, for one, and left office with a huge deficit. I also think his role in the collapse of the Soviet Union was largely circumstantial - the Soviet system was unsustainable and bound to collapse. Any sitting American president at the time would have been telling them to "tear down this wall" (or some variation) but probably not as eloquently.
I agree with AP that Clinton will be looked back on as a good president (but maybe a sleazy person). But really, nobody likes any president - at least not from the last 100 years - and especially during their time. Go down the list: Truman, FDR, Nixon, Carter, Bush, Hoover, Woodrow...I would agree in saying Lincoln is probably the best ever, given the insane circumstances he had to deal with. Washington largely gets credit for his time as a general more so than president. It's probably best to leave these debates up to presidential historians who really know what they're talking about. |
07-08-2011, 06:57 PM | #15 (permalink) |
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Two unemployed fuck balls bitching about social programs. Stfu until you contribute. Reminds me of one of my friends who is 43, lives with his parents, and occasionally gets enough weed money together by giving guitar lessons. He talks the same Obama socialism shit and government entitlement bullshit that both Felix and DH does. It pisses me off to no end to listen to fuck balls go on and on about their tax dollars and whatnot when they don't contribute. Disgusting.
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07-08-2011, 07:22 PM | #17 (permalink) |
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The 5 Most Badass Presidents of All-Time | Cracked.com pretty sure it's been posted forever ago, but oh well. |
07-08-2011, 07:27 PM | #18 (permalink) | |
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07-08-2011, 07:47 PM | #19 (permalink) |
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I'm not really sure what you're getting at. The President proposes a budget, congress makes changes/votes on the budget, and the President can sign or veto the finalized budget. That's how government spending works. See my post on economic growth if you want to know why government spending hurts the economy.
Secondly, if I weren't supported by my father, I would not be unemployed. I would work whatever job I could get. By the way, I'm not unemployed, assholes. I manage a piece of residential property. |
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07-08-2011, 08:18 PM | #23 (permalink) |
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This is the same thing kids coming out of college have been saying for the past few years before moving back home to live with their parents. FYI
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07-08-2011, 10:40 PM | #24 (permalink) |
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AP I'm surprised to see some of your oppinions in here because I thoroughly disagree with 2 of them:
How can you honestly complain when even a man with no job wants less benefits and taxes? I think you've gone completely backwards here. DH, while not being a taxpayer yet, completely understands the effect of taxation on the economy and personal freedom. You have to respect him for that. Repug who has never been a taxpayer in his own right, on the other hand, makes the opposite arguments, and it's from his perspective that we usually see oppinions. It makes perfect sense to be upset that people like Repug complain about a lack of social welfare, but I don't see the point of getting upset when DH does. DH is arguing for something which isn't even his benefit yet. That has to add merrit. If I ever lose my job and become a homeless man I hope that I would be able to stick to the same set of morals: men should work to create a life for themselves and shouldn't steal from each other. As for your second point: FDR was given credit for the New Deal. It is for this that was say FDR was a bad president. If you want to make the argument that the New Deal wasn't because of FDR then please argue FDR's merrits without the New Deal. Without any economic intervention I don't know anything special about his presidency. The fact is he allowed (or encouraged) he New Deal to happen, which means he was one of the worst presidents we've ever had. Keynes was wrong. |
The basis of our governments being the opinion of the people, the very first object should be to keep that right; and were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers, or newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate a moment to prefer the latter. But I should mean that every man should receive those papers and be capable of reading them. |
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