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Unread 10-21-2007, 12:05 PM   #51 (permalink)
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http://www.dailymotion.com/relevance/search/ufc+77/video/x39jzp_anderson-silva-vs-rich-franklin-ufc_extreme
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One of the most underrated and underappreciated MMA fighters of all time.

Erik Paulson

http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/f...?FighterID=383
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erik_Paulson

The two reasons I think Erik Paulson is underrated is that he was fighting before Royce Gracie or even Ken Shamrock, and was the king of the other of the big 3 MMA organizations at that time, shooto. Royce was the UFC champ, Ken was the king of Pancrase, and Paulson was the first American Shooto champion.

More detail on his career and training.
http://erikpaulson.com/information.php?info_id=19
The second reason I think he should get more attention is that he, more than anybody else, was the first "well rounded" mma fighter to use a modern style; striking, takedowns, submissions, all very good. His specialties are submissions that are more related to catch wrestling and shooto than BJJ, although he is now a BJJ blackbelt under a Machado. He has excellent leg locks. He was also one of the first guys to effectively use "dirty boxing" - tieing up in the clinch and landing punches, he calls it "hockey punching"

http://youtube.com/watch?v=PdpgZ8NK_Mg HighLight

Along with being a great fighter, and recently returning to competitive fighting in 2007 with a win at HDnet Fights, Paulson has been a key trainer for MMA champions, most notably Josh Barnett and Sean Sherk

http://youtube.com/watch?v=9M2AfkprTKo Josh Barnett
http://youtube.com/watch?v=eiHkhcwvgNA Sean Sherk

Also Paulson has made some great instructionals and has been instrumental in bringing the Japanese style of submission fighting, blending it with American Wrestling, and creating Combat Submission Wrestling, a great grappling style that can provide some means of attack that counter strictly BJJ in great ways.

Some instructionals
http://youtube.com/watch?v=qAlLlQxXxDshttp://youtube.com/watch?v=ahktYM6Q4sU&feature=relatedhttp://youtube.com/watch?v=8V1z9Xs3aII&feature=related

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Dude! this is so fucking awesome. I'm going to an Erik Paulson seminar this Saturday and Sunday. It'll be the second seminar of his that I've been to.

His fight ageist Matt Hume in Extreme Fighting 3 in 1996 was one of the most badass MMA/NHB fights in history.

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Dude! this is so fucking awesome. I'm going to an Erik Paulson seminar this Saturday and Sunday. It'll be the second seminar of his that I've been to.

His fight ageist Matt Hume in Extreme Fighting 3 in 1996 was one of the most badass MMA/NHB fights in history.
That fight was great, didn't go the way I hoped but was still great.

what are his seminars like and where is it?

Thats badass though, his shit is so different that if you can just take one thing of his and get good at it youve got a whole new option.
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It's at the Bernalis Institute of Martial Arts
2257 S. State Street
Salt Lake City, Utah 84115

He all ways teaches a shit ton of stuff at his seminars. Here's 2 vids from his last seminar at my GYM.



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Holy shit, they show those UCE shows on comcast local here in Indy, that is fucking insane. I might have seen somebody from your gym or something fight before.
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This is a mix of several posts responding to a thread about a guys friend claiming that Wing Chun, basically the idiots who believe movie kung fu stuff works better than actual fighting and that ball grabbing and eye gouging are sufficient for ground fighting, is better than boxing or MMA in terms of real fighting so It may have some context that seems out of place.

Basically even though the terms are in some ways interchangeable, when I say wing-chung or kung fu I am talking about the delusional morons who tend to have Bruce Lee posters, when I say SanShou or SanDa I am talking about the most popular combat sport in china (maybe even national sport) that involves basically Muay Thai kickboxing without the elbows, but allows wrestling style throws but no ground grappling. When the match is classified as SanDa, rather than Sanshou, it allows knees

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Highlight of one guy to get the sport introduced (This is actually an event called "king of Sanda where they are profesionals, fight in a ring, and don't wear headgear)

80kg World Championship Match (This is amateur, which is more regular, and fought on a mat with headgear)

San-Shou / San-Da is a part of/related to Wu-Shu; so if by Wu-Shu he means San-Da/Shou, a highly competitive sport similar to Thai-Boxing with takedowns he isn't quite an idiot. Of course he doesn't, and he is though.

China, in particular, has some absolutely fantastic San-Da fighters who are better, significantly better, than Cung Le in that sport. Given they have a billion people and it's their national martial art, and that The Art of War is a fantastic Chinese MMA promotion, their is a huge potential for Chinese San da fighters who develop a ground game (or prime Liddell takedown defense/ability to get back up) to make an enormous impact.

Of course it is yet another example of communism ruining the world since they don't have the freedom needed to learn and leave the country.

Now for some Art of War, the Chinese MMA organization. It is basically fought the best rules in modern MMA, a mix of the old pride rules; kicks to the head on the ground allowed plus the Unified US rules, elbows allowed.
Art of War Fighting Championship - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Now for some Art of War videos; like I said some serious Thai style striking combined with good high amplitude throw style wrestling.

So much potential in Chinese MMA.

Several Shows

Art of War 9 highlights Serious potential in Chinese MMA.

Art of War 12 highlights (poor quality)
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Now, before you all go thinking that kung fu is the future, I need to reiterate the difference between the real fighters that do competitive SanDa SanShou fights, and the idiots in pajamas who either never fight because they claim they are too deadly, or do fight and get the ever loving shit kicked out of them.

I posted these first in the original discussion, but it seems to fit better second here.

Here is what happens when an idiot in silk pajamas fights a real fighter.

The second videos are from the Gracie's in Action tapes that came out prior to the UFC before BJJ was very well known, and are narrated by the soothing voice of the always "promotional" Rorian Gracie.

A personal favorite of mine, one that shows what happens when you believe the far too common myth that eye gouging/nut grabbing/finger breaking/generally being "dirty" will save you.

Royce vs Jason Delucia

Delucia later trained under Royce and fought him at UFC 2; Royce viewed this as disrespectful and held an armbar a bit long, it didn't break it, but it sure looks like it fucking hurt.
Delucia actually went on to become a pretty respectable journeman MMA fighter, fighting until 2006 with a record of 34-21-1
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jason_Delucia


Royce vs some random kung fu guy twice, then Ralph vs Geraldo Silva Pedra a "Kung fu world vice champion" in an MMA fight.

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Beebs, this is by far my favorite thread. I have no suggestions, but I want you to keep doing what you do.

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Thiago Alves is actually very interesting, because he went from one of the best Brazilian camps, Chute Boxe, to one of the best American Camps (run by a Brazillian and heavily populated by Brazilians, of course), in American Top Team, which is a long ago offshoot of BTT. BTT vs Chute Boxe was a large rivalry for a period during the late 90's early to mid 2000's.

Thiago Alves - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Actually this is all sort of side information since Thiago Alves was only at Chute Boxe for a short time, but it seems it left quite the impression on him.

Chute Boxe Academy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Basically Chute Boxe is Portuguese for "kick boxing" and was started as a Muay Thai gym; eventually it moved into Vale Tudo/No holds barred/MMA.

Basically the prototype Chute Boxe fighter is a straight ahead killer who looks to grab you, knee you, throw you to the ground and stomp your head in: as shown here

The epitome of the Chute Boxe Style is Wanderlei Silva, here is some of his earlier work that gets the point of what Chute Boxe is all about.

There are of course exceptions; Anderson Silva and Pele Landi-Jons where both Chute Boxe fighters, and while they were both Thai style fighters, they were much less straight forward and more precise. Also Maccaco opened up a Chute Boxe gym that was more based on grapplers, and the Chute Boxe style become more diverse.

In the mid 00's to know Chute Boxe has essentially disentegrated due to a combination of politics and fighters wanting to move away; Shogun, Ninja, Wanderlei, and Thiago Alves all left; Anderson Silva and Pele had left long ago.

That brings us to American Top Team
American Top Team - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

ATT is not so much a gym or team, it is a collection of gyms that all sort of work together; the main training camp for the pro team is in Coconut Creek, FL, but there are satellite gyms all over.

Basically there is no stereotypical ATT fighter; there is certainly a stronger tendency to grappling, but the variation within that is huge.

On any given day there are probably more world class BJJ black belts training together at ATT than anywhere in the world. Leading them is Ricardo Liborio, leading their boxing is Howard Davis Jr, former US Olympic boxer, their wrestling coach is Darryl Gholar one of the best coaches for MMA on the planet, and Rhadi Ferguson runs their Judo and conditioning. Basically those are all either the absolute best, or close to it in terms of coaching for the different aspects of MMA.

Now, onto the Thiago Alves Videos
Thiago Alves - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Good career highlight

Last fight before his UFC debut

Training for his fight with Karo. Coaching him is Rhadi Ferguson, one of the better Judo competitors and coaches the US has ever produced.
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Goddamnit, I took too long typing this out that I got logged out and have to type it all again.

Ok, I am going to introduce you to the sport of Shootboxing; It is essentially a combination of Muay Thai Kickboxing, and the standing aspects wrestling and submissions.

Shoot boxing - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Here is the official website (I think), either way it explains things a little more in-depth.
STANDING VALE TUDO SHOOT BOXING OFFICIAL SITE

Here is a Japanese vid with some English that explains the rules and gives you a feel for the sport

Shootboxing is one of the smallest combat sports, in that most of the competitors are not actually self-identified as Shootboxers, but rather as Muay Thai fighters, kickboxers, MMA fighters, or some combination thereof. Those who are "pure" Shootfighters who do self-recognize themselves as Shootboxers still have to compete in other sports since there are not many Shootboxing tournaments, they usually compete in K1 or Muay Thai. You can tell the self-identifying Shootboxers by their pants, full length and tight, rather than the typical Muay Thai shorts or shiny and baggy kickboxing pants of the 80s.

Like I said, there are not many Shootboxing competitions that get any coverage, and the S-Cup is the biggest event in the sport by far
. I'll post some fights from the recently completed 2010 S-Cup in the next post.

The rules are basically this: 3 rounds of 5 minutes, and then if extra rounds are needed they are 3 minutes. You wear standard boxing / kickboxing gloves and are barefoot.

Striking: All the strikes allowed in Muay Thai are allowed - punches, kicks, knees, and elbows
Grappling: Throws, trips, and other takedowns are allowed, but the action stops once the takedown is finished. Standing submissions are allowed. The most common submission is the standing guillotine, but you get the occasional standing arm-triangle choke, rear naked choke, and even the occasional standing arm lock, which is hard with boxing gloves on

Like I said, you don't get many pure shootboxers, the contestants come from Muay Thai an K1 style kickboxing, San Shou / San Da (see a few posts above), and MMA fighters who are good strikers.

Examples of "pure" Shootboxers who self-identify as such are Andy Souwer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia and Kenichi Ogata (shoot boxer) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (you can tell because they were the pants, even when they are competing in non Shootboxing events)

One example of a pure Muay Thai fighter who has fought in Shootboxing events is Buakaw Por. Pramuk - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

There are plenty of San Shou / San Da fighters who have competed as well, but they are mostly Chinese and I don't have much info on them.

Some examples of MMA fighters who haved fought in Shootboxing are: Jens Pulver - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia , Hayato Sakurai - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia , Jani Lax - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia , and most recently Toby Imada - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia,

Here are some fight videos:

This is Jens Pulver (started as a wrestler who went into MMA, developed very good boxing, did some pro boxing and kickboxing in the middle of his MMA career) vs Dai Chan Liang, a San Shou fighter

This is Hayato "Mach" Sakuri vs Jani Lax, two MMA fighters. Mach is Judo based with heavy hands and Jani Lax is BJJ based with some kickboxing.

Here is Andy Souwer vs Kenichi Ogata : both self-identifying Shootboxers (again, you can tell by the pants) fighting for the 2008 S-Cup championship.

And here they are in the 2002 S-Cup, but not the final.

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Here's the fights from the 2010 S-Cup, well three of them anyway.

All three of Toby Imada's fights

Vs Umeno, a Shootboxer (I think)

vs Andy Souwer, mentioned in the previous post as the most successful Shootboxer

vs Baukaw (Muay Thai Fighter)
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