A letter to myself

[Percipere'Chan]

Active-

I’m going to take this, as much as I can, as a real critique on my posting. As I do fancy the idea of being a good nubblite. There are a lot of cool people on here, with some funny ass shit to say.

Like it or not, this is really who I am. I’m not, and will not, pretend to be anything. For you, or anybody else.

2nd - *tosses AcTivE a razor blade.

Originally posted by Percipere’Chan
[gb]Have Ambition, Know a goal. For:
3. Solid goals/ambitions empower your will.[/gb]

And it’s not just work. It’s also what I’m doing on the side with the learned skills. +Heaven and Hell were demonstrated as having the potential to be experience both at home and at work. Get the picture?

Next,

Originally posted by AcTivE:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Percipere’Chan:
[gb] Cool. Post me a link or email some images that you think are really representative of you and I'll begin disection. And if you have any thoughts, moods, lyrics, requirements that would further the uniqueness or accuracy of this portrayal of you… send that too.[/gb]

</font>[/quote]Yeah. I thought about just pm-ing that. From the response I got, I thought someone else might find it entertaining to have their portrait done, like a street artist thing, so I phrased it as an address to an audience. Some people like the idea. Titan did. And if nothing else, sometimes people appreciate an ice breaker (gives people the chance to introduce themselves [see bold above]. Just tryin’ to be friendly’s all.

Originally posted by AcTivE:
[gb]I can also consider myself ‘God’.[/gb]

That was the point Dipshit. If you had even taken the slightest effort to see what the “Rig Veda” (ie- Google search, only takes a minute, even on 56k) was you could have easily figured that out. Next time I’ll make a link for you.

Originally posted by AcTivE:
[gb]You believe you are god in your intellectual superiority.[/gb]

Wrong answer. Once again, see above.

Originally posted by AcTivE:
[gb] 2) Ask yourself, why does it come into yours?

b) i do not want to burn[/gb]

If you want to support this sick, antiquated, fantastical ideology, then do it, Motherfucker. While saying “I don’t want to Burn”, is good for a chuckle (that was a stretch in your favor), it doesn’t take any real: creativity, brain power, will power, gut, emotion, etc. and doesn’t say anything about why I should listen to what you have to say.

Anyway…

Silly Penguin. The whole point of this post was to level the idea of some farcical la, la land built up by an organization of warped motherfuckers who think if they can just find the right combination of rules to follow, and pray enough about it…
btw, please see Stab Master Arson’s tag line:

Originally posted by Stab Master Arson:
[gb]Prayer is to social change what masturbation is to the continuation of the species.[/gb]

…paradise will drop down right on top of them. Now that would be a “Shifty Motherfucker” and I wouldn’t trust his ass either. Sitting up in the sky laughing his Sick head off while he watched people flip from one version of Christianity to another? (or any other religious ‘re-enlightenment’ for that matter).

Why bother waiting and trying to figure it out? I’ve got an idea! [I know this is against your scripture BUT, I still think it’s a really good idea that deserves a second interpretation from (in this case) the bible.] If Heaven is such a great place, I suggest not bothering to try getting all the way around the board before collecting your $200. There’s now time like the present! Achieve your professed Heaven today!

In all honesty though, the last paragraph was because I had a really good time coming up with that rant (please! Post more [img]smile.gif[/img] ). When it comes down to it, I really don’t care. It doesn’t bother me. As long as you’re having a good time pursuing and achieving what ever it is you desire. It’s all good. [Lest you offend or take issue with my fam or crew that is]. Aside from that we all have the ‘right’ to live however we want and say whatever we want, and AcTivE, I’m glad you did.

One more final thought before I take my leave of you…

?… Ah, yes… I believe it was:

You’re an Idiot.

[Percipere'Chan]

I know this is a double post, but I have to do it.

AcTivE: Thought you might like to make a donation.
http://www.revelationwatch.com/xmas.html

[Titan]

P.S. A Nubblies brand "double-post" is when you accidently post the same thing twice.

Nice posts by the way.
I disagree about the whole hell thing though. Who wouldn't want to believe in a place where you'd be damned to a place where you will be subject to enduring the greatest ultimate suffering for all eternity? That's such a wonderful concept. Almost as wonderful as the fact that you won't get any presents from Santa Claus if you're not a good little boy this year.

Neat how that works isn't it?

[ December 12, 2003, 12:14 PM: Message edited by: Titan ]

[Saint DH]

I don't believe in hell.

[Pliedes]

Originally posted by Dirty Harry:
I don't believe in hell.

But; just because you don't believe it, doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

[Titan]

Originally posted by Pliedes:
But; just because you don't believe it, doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

But; just because you do believe it, doesn't mean it does.

Hey, what's that quadrilateral with a big 1 one it?

[ December 12, 2003, 02:52 PM: Message edited by: Titan ]

[Percipere'Chan]

Dirty Harry, Pliedes, Titan. Together you have summed up the point I have been trying to get across with absolute precision. That couldn't have been more perfect.

[Pliedes]

Originally posted by Titan:
But; just because you do believe it, doesn't mean it does.

Exactly, hence my whole "just because you say it, doesn't make it so".

I love this thread.

How about a Percipitation and Active OST? Now that would be fun.

[Titan]

Originally posted by Pliedes:
Exactly, hence my whole "just because you say it, doesn't make it so".

Which begs the question:

When Pliedes says, "Just because you say it, doesn't make it so," does the rule, having been said, actually have any reasonable weight by itself? Because according the rule, there isn't necessarily a rule at all. Of course to get there I'm following the rule, in which there would be a rule. So according the existant rule, the rule doesn't exist. But how can the rule make itself not exist if it doesn't exist? Et cetera.

[Pliedes]

It's not so much a rule, as it's more of a simple phrase used to help people see the inherent fault in something they've stated (stating an opinion does not equate to fact). As a course of action it attempts to see the underlying truth, not simply the statement made.

[Percipere'Chan]

(Mmmwwah, Ha, Ha...)

[new thought]
To all of you that have been using this thread: I apologize for the interruption and hope that someone will take inititive and to turn it back to it's original course.

Once again, it is one of my favorite threads on the forum. I plan to come back to it when the time unveils itself.

Edited & Updated:
For those of you interested in the current banter about: God, Religion, Heaven, Hell, Life vs. Death, etc. I'm making a new thread the title of which was inspired over AcTivE's imagination, which is located in the Rants section. Come. Join.

[ December 12, 2003, 11:16 PM: Message edited by: Percipere'Chan ]

[Titan]

Obviously everything we say is only an opinion. &lt;--Like that right there.

But that doesn't mean you had to kill my excessive fun.

[Fruitacious B]

Precipitation, I have no need to make any posts relating to this spiritual argument. I trust that what you say is what I would say in such an argument. I applaud you and your excellent opinion.

[AcTivE]

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I do not have time right now to make an extended reply, so I'll just say a few quick things and be done with it for now.
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Originally posted by AcTivE:
[gb]I can also consider myself ‘God’.[/gb]

That was the point Dipshit. If you had even taken the slightest effort to see what the “Rig Veda” (ie- Google search, only takes a minute, even on 56k) was you could have easily figured that out. Next time I’ll make a link for you.

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know what the Rig Veda is. I don't care. What was the point?
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Originally posted by AcTivE:
[gb] 2) Ask yourself, why does it come into yours?

b) i do not want to burn[/gb]

If you want to support this sick, antiquated, fantastical ideology, then do it, Motherfucker. While saying “I don’t want to Burn”, is good for a chuckle (that was a stretch in your favor), it doesn’t take any real: creativity, brain power, will power, gut, emotion, etc. and doesn’t say anything about why I should listen to what you have to say.

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You asked for a reason. For me--having the chance to avoid sitting in a lake of fire for all eternity is enough. If you want a reason of why YOU should believe, just ask, and I'll try to help you out.
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One more final thought before I take my leave of you…

?… Ah, yes… I believe it was:

You’re an Idiot.[/QB][/quote]

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I'll leave two final thoughts with you before I leave.

1) If I'm right about God, the world that I live in right now will be the only HELL that I know. If I'm wrong, I don't lose a thing.

2) Jesus loves you.

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[Percipere'Chan]

I think Pliedes is right. This may call for an OST.

[Edit]Thought It'd be worth a poll, just to see if nubblites out there find the idea potentially entertaining. To Vote Click Here.[/edit]

[ December 14, 2003, 12:25 AM: Message edited by: Percipere'Chan ]

[Titan]

Originally posted by AcTivE:
You asked for a reason. For me--having the chance to avoid sitting in a lake of fire for all eternity is enough.

That is a pretty good reason. Personally, I'd prefer the reason that you know and love your creator and it knows and loves you too, and wouldn't do something as ridiculous as damning you to eternal hellfire. But hey, that's just me.

Originally posted by AcTivE:
If I'm right about God, the world that I live in right now will be the only HELL that I know. If I'm wrong, I don't lose a thing.

If you're wrong and there is another god (or gods) who is the actual god and also has a rule that states "I am the only god you shall believe in, else you will be damned to eternal hellfire," then I'm willing to bet you'll be damned to eternal hellfire

[Titan]

Originally posted by Percipere'Chan:
I think Pliedes is right. This may call for an OST.

I'll be honest and say that's probably an OST I would actually read.

[Fruitacious B]

Originally posted by AcTivE:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by AcTivE:
[gb] 2) Ask yourself, why does it come into yours?

b) i do not want to burn[/gb]

If you want to support this sick, antiquated, fantastical ideology, then do it, Motherfucker. While saying “I don’t want to Burn”, is good for a chuckle (that was a stretch in your favor), it doesn’t take any real: creativity, brain power, will power, gut, emotion, etc. and doesn’t say anything about why I should listen to what you have to say.

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You asked for a reason. For me--having the chance to avoid sitting in a lake of fire for all eternity is enough. If you want a reason of why YOU should believe, just ask, and I'll try to help you out.</font>[/quote]Active, you obviously did not want to support your idea, just explaining where you don't want to burn is not a very good explanation. Where is this lake of fire? how'd it get there? when's open swim? what fairy tale did you get that from? I'm just as likeley to believe that Zeus put me here as anyone else, people like you just make me consider say "Zeus dammit" instead of "God dammit". Both have the same weight right now.

Hephaestus Loves you.

[Pliedes]

Originally posted by Titan:
Personally, I'd prefer the reason that you know and love your creator and it knows and loves you too

Wow, Titan, really good call with that.

[Hank]

I really don't have the desire to argue religion with anyone here, but are any of you familiar with "Pascal's wager"? It sounds like ole Lethal is, whether he knows it or not.

[ December 15, 2003, 01:01 AM: Message edited by: Hank ]

[Pliedes]

I don't recall lethal posting in this thread... good call with Pascal though, seeing as how many nubblites are betting men.

[Percipere'Chan]

Hank- Wow. Hadn't heard of Pascal's Wager before. I took some time to look it up and play with it a little. If you're interested in thoughts on it, I'm 'bout to post mine in the over AcTivE's imagination thread. Check it out.

[AcTivE]

I don't want to make the quote blocks for everything, so I'm just going to say who said it.

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Fruit:

Active, you obviously did not want to support your idea, just explaining where you don't want to burn is not a very good explanation. Where is this lake of fire? how'd it get there? when's open swim? what fairy tale did you get that from? I'm just as likeley to believe that Zeus put me here as anyone else, people like you just make me consider say "Zeus dammit" instead of "God dammit". Both have the same weight right now.

Hephaestus Loves you.
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The basis is the bible. My reasoning of not wanting to burn in eternal hell fire is enough to:

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Ask yourself, why does it come into yours?
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read that again.

read it again.

if you think the bible is shit, and you are asking for further explanation of why to even believe in the bible....then i don't know what to tell you. do you believe what your math book says?

may think that is stupid, but that's the way it is. you either believe it or you don't. if you haven't read any of it, and you are simply saying 'god does not exist', then to you i say 'fuck you'. if you have read the bible, then tell me why i

should not

believe.

now, titan:

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That is a pretty good reason. Personally, I'd prefer the reason that you know and love your creator and it knows and loves you too, and wouldn't do something as ridiculous as damning you to eternal hellfire. But hey, that's just me.

If you're wrong and there is another god (or gods) who is the actual god and also has a rule that states "I am the only god you shall believe in, else you will be damned to eternal hellfire," then I'm willing to bet you'll be damned to eternal hellfire
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I'll begin with the first part.

1) I would feel no reason to believe in God if there wasn't some incentive...

would you? Let's get serious, that's human nature. Why would you worship someone else unless there was a reason to? Yes, he is my creator, but so are my parents. I, for some reason, feel the need to rebel at times...do you?

If not, that's awesome. I bet you have an interesting life.

But anyway, back to the point. That there IS a heaven, and a HELL, is reason enough for me to:

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Ask yourself, why does it come into yours?
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now, to the second part of your first statement

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creator and it knows and loves you too, and wouldn't do something as ridiculous as damning you to eternal hellfire
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I'm glad you are not God.

I'm glad Adam and Eve had a choice. If they didn't, then life as we know it would be perfect. Great? I don't think so. Go spend a few hours watching rocks.

If we couldn't make the decision to follow, or not to follow God, then it really wouldn't be a decision.

In any decision, there has to be a consequence...good or bad.

Am I wrong?

And to your second part:

I believe Christianity is the only religion to claim to have a living savior. That's why I believe. To me--there is something inside me, maybe human nature (which of course according to my beliefs=God made), which tells me not to believe that dead things will save you.

and back to your first part:

The fact that my creator put that feeling inside of me, so that I know without a doubt that he has saved me, is awesome, and good enough for me.

I want to be able to make the choice.

[Pliedes]

So Active, let's take this to the other thread...

[AcTivE]

settle down. i was replying to what was stated in this thread.