The Current State of the Nation

[fat_retard]

Originally posted by Schroeder:
If you think America is so bad, get up and leave.

Great point dumbass, unfortunately thats not something most people would be willing to do. Even if he believes in this wholeheartedly(which he doesn't), He would be worse off in most other countries, and he'd rather live somewhere safe with a decent economy. Hes a hipocrit, he wouldn't leave at all.

[karnaj686]

NOTE: nobody is always right. i may be wrong, i may not be. im just trying to discuss current political issues with people who will have a civil discussion with me. thanx. -

good job getupkid and fatretard for completely missing the point. im not trying to be cool, or gain attention. if i was, id get on here and bash you for something worth bashing, but i dont. if i were to lose friends for my politics, they must not truly be my friends. vietnam wasnt our fight, korea wasnt our fight. we intervened. as for desert storm, we were there for the same reasons we are in the middle east now: occupation, oil, and getting rid of our bitch since his purpouse has been served and we have no further use for him. if all these bad evil terrorist types were out to get us and were such a threat to us, why havent they done anything? the patriot act is supposed to help reduce terrorist threat, bullshit. read up on that. why is it everytime i mention my politics, someone has to say something off the wall like "leave the country if you dont like it." i recall i never said "fuck america dude!" i obviously care enough about the country if im trying to get people to choose our leaders with more caution, and prevent the current one from getting reelected. i dont care who runs the country as long as they do their job right. rep, dem, or third party it doesnt matter. i personally dont think there should be any party. to clear things up for those who didnt catch it the first time, im not a dem, so please stop with all the woohoo about dems. i referred to carter and clinton because they worked to bring down the dependancy on foreign depeletable resources, so our economy isnt fucked should something go awry with our suppliers, but i dont think we'll have to worry about not having any now since we took control of their country. i highly doubt well see bush work to find another fuel/energy thats less costly, less damamging, and more efficient. he almost has a monopoly going on. i would have referred to a rep had there been one who tried to do the economy some good instead of their pocketbook. the only bias i hold in this discussion is against bush and his irresponsible actions.

oh, mister, politicians arent always honest with the public, who doesnt know that? id just rather have someone who is more honest, more of the time. thats all.

trash, trash, and trash. im not telling anyone to listen to me, you read this on your own accord, and you must have some need to know what i say if you keep coming back. my head is well placed upon my shoulders, which isnt my asshole, so i must know the two apart. and finally, i dont have a sister, sister. i do believe there's a board specifically designed for rambling and nonsense. you'd like it there.
such vicious words harry. does your mommy know you talk like that?

im not saying you are wrong and i am right. if it comes across like that, im sorry. everything i have said is an opinion expressed through facts. everything stated is also subject to interpretation. depending on where you stand determines what you are gonna hear. if you wanna talk politics, ill talk politics. no wrong, no right, just open discussion. if you are just gonna try to tear me or my views down, dont waste your words or your time so i can do the same, cuz i already know alot of people hate me, big deal, whats new, yadayada. lets talk about bush and what hes doing instead of ranting the parties, my personal life, "disproving" one another, and harry's mom. [img]graemlins/ninja.gif[/img]

[Schroeder]

Originally posted by karnaj686:
i recall i never said "fuck america dude!"

Weren't you the one that wore a shirt to Battle of the Bands that said something like " I pledge allegiance to nothing ". I think that is close enough.

[karnaj686]

i beleive in america, i dont beleive in the rape of democracy. there is a difference. all of the sudden i am anti-america because i speak against bush, whoah! someone please fill me in.

Hypocracy: Fighting in the name of peace. 'nuff said.

how many here have been outside of america? have you ever seen these countries you speak so lowly of? i have seen a few with my own eyes, and its horrible. ive never felt so bad. i wanted to cry, but i was in shock. ive felt guilty since. you learn to appreciate everything alot more.

[karnaj686]

no, i wasnt. the shirt said "allah bless america". you mean our song "allegiance to none", which is about not going with the reps or the dems. its a good song now that i can actually sing.

[Schroeder]

Originally posted by karnaj686:
i have seen a few with my own eyes, and its horrible. ive never felt so bad. i wanted to cry, but i was in shock. ive felt guilty since. you learn to appreciate everything alot more.

Appreciation is not well shown in complaints. If you truly realized how good you have it, you wouldn't be complaining. Get off of your soapbox.

[Alpha]

To be honest I'd really like to stay out of this argument as much as possible, because my veiws aren't that far of from Robert's. But that's just my opinion that I really only feel like sharing when it is in a one on one calm conversation. There is a couple points I do need to point out as being utter bullshit in this conversation.

Originally posted by Schroeder:
If you truly realized how good you have it, you wouldn't be complaining. Get off of your soapbox.

So... Challenging the government will just ruin everything? If I'm not mistaken change can be good. I look back and recall a time when colonial America had it decent enough, infact they had it damn well, but then they challenged the British and (with help from the French) we are here in a wonderful and thriving nation compared to others. There is NOTHING and might I repeat NOTHING wrong with Robert sharing his opinion. Hell that's what this site is for if I'm not mistaken. If we all believed the same thing it would be boring. Fuck you and your ignorance Schroeder, if you don't agree with what Robert is posting then argue it without mudslinging, unless you're to stupid to make a valid point.

Originally posted by Dirty Harry:
Kajami seriously you are such a faggot. Grow up.

Hmmm... He's a faggot because he wants to express how he feels... then wouldn't that also make you a faggot too? Since you did express your feelings towards him?

Originally posted by getupkids:
Learn a little more about politics before you decide to start a fucking thread on it. Last time I checked, we had the chance to get Osama BinLaden... and who was the democratic president that decided not to? Oh that's right, it was Clinton. We wouldn't have even gone to war if Clinton would have done the right thing in the first place.

... Odd, I'd actually rather here Robert bitch than you. Infact I'd rather hear Robert bitch than here you talk period. So Clinton was the only president that heard about Bin Laden? I believe not... Bin Laden was a part of terrorist actions on the US (and the WTC) BEFORE Clinton. I believe there was another president when Osama made his grand entrance... His name was BUSH.

Finally...

Originally posted by karnaj686:
im going to put a large amount of infantry and artillery on your country soil, and im going to let them violate your people's human rights in the process.

War isn't pretty, I'm not a fan of war at all, infact I'm hardcore against it but there is nothing we can do now... Fact is, there is another soon to be democratic nation in the world.. And to that I'm glad... There is SOME good in this Robert.

Originally posted by karnaj686:
1. ive got plenty of shit on bush. ive been working on defaming him since 9/12(not a typo).

2.its actually my knowledge of the law that is getting me back into school.

1. You've been working on defaming Bush since he's been in office Robert, you are against Bush because you'll never be happy, you really need to learn that EVERY cause is not worth fighting for. If Gore, Keyes, Nader, hell if CLINTON would have somehow won the election in 2000 you would be right back here spamming shit about them that you can't completely confirm.
2. Only because you are going to frame a man and do somehting I don't agree in try to hurt him to make yourself feel better. You stole it. I know you stole it. No need to pretend you didn't. Or try to get someone fired because you think it's what they deserve... You're just being a fag when it comes to this situation. you hate bush because he wants to take over iraq for personal gain. But you feel right to try to get Mr. censored* fired just so you can get back into school and make yourself a model punk rocker. Aweomse Robert... Awesome.

*This probably would have been alright...but it would give away who is behind the censoreds that come in the following posts...

[ September 06, 2003, 01:13 AM: Message edited by: Orgazmo ]

[karnaj686]

alpha, i commend you for having the balls to agree with me, and i commend you for such a good point about osama, little known fact.

as for censored. im not framing anyone, he fucked himself. no explanation or justification needed. censored is a virus who likes to play with kids lives and i can prove it. i spent seven months in the doc because that motherfucker lied to the court. he deserves to lose his job. i hope he doesnt have the opportunity to quit. speaking out against him has nothing to do with being a "punk rocker". im trying to get an education (if you can call it that), and here i have someone setting me up every year, walking the halls looking for me, doing his best to see i dont make it. yeah ive brought alot on myself, but so has he. enough about him. im here to talk politics.

[ September 06, 2003, 01:13 AM: Message edited by: Orgazmo ]

[karnaj686]

oh yeah, to alphas quote four, that wasnt talkng about the war, that was pre-war occupation, back when we were there before bush could make up a good excuse as to why we were there.

[karnaj686]

Check this out everyone:

"It looks like the Bush has put America in the hole $480 billion and is going to have the largest federal deficit in history. In order stay afloat, the federal budget will have to be cut as much as 40%. Read a Washington Post article about Bush's record-setting debt":

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2003Aug26.html

-link provided by punkvoter.com

[fat_retard]

Robert, I don't hate your posts because of your personal views, just the stupid way you present them and the one sided viewpoints. You also go around and you talk about is how political you are and how much of a polical person you are. You tend to question someone's motives when they are always bringing up the point they are "political" and "punk" all of the time. I doubt you'd even think these things about the government if you didn't listen to Bad Religion, Anti-Flag or Pennywise or any "Political Punk" band for that matter. I have nothing against you as a person, but you need to sit back and think of what you are doing, and saying. Also, Did censored make you do what got you suspended? I don't think so, you did it, take responsibility for your reckless, stupid actions. Have a nice day.

-Fat_Retard

[ September 06, 2003, 01:18 AM: Message edited by: Orgazmo ]

[ninja_master]

Originally posted by fat_retard:
Robert, you need to grow up and realize that nobody thinks you are cool for doing any of this stuff. You are losing more and more "friends" every day due to your dumassedness and selfishness, your own band is getting sick of your bullshit. You are destroying your life and don't even care, yet you think you know whats best for the country? Thats just plain wrong. You can't take care of yourself, yet you tell people how to live and how to think. I don't know why you feel the need to come on some "Teenybopper" message board that already doesn't have any respect for you at all and tell them that what they know and believe is wrong, and you are right.

Now I don't fully agree with Bush or any president, but I doubt we'll ever see you do a decent job of leading the country with your pathetic seventh grade education and all. Hell even a handicapped obese person like myself could do a better job at leading the country than you.

You just need to grow up and realize that you are fighting for a moronic lost cause just for attention, be it good or bad. Thats what this is all about, attention, and you are getting alot of it aren't you?

I hope this made sense, because I for once actually spent time on this.

I totally agree....Nice one fat_retard

[Schroeder]

Originally posted by Alpha:
To be honest I'd really like to stay out of
If I'm not mistaken change can be good. I look back and recall a time when colonial America had it decent enough, infact they had it damn well, but then they challenged the British and (with help from the French) we are here in a wonderful and thriving nation compared to others.

Alpha, do you know what history is? Have you ever opened a history book? Colonial America had it good?! Are you crazy? Up until the Revolutionary War, Colonial America was treated terribly. England made them quarter troops, regulated all of their business, and imposed large tariffs on practically everything, meanwhile allowing America no representation in Parliament. You'd be pissed if your parents decided everything you do without your input. Well, America was pissed, too, and rightfully so.

I'm all for challenging the government if it is treating it's people badly, but ours has not. I do not believe it deserves any criticism, especially from us: A bunch of kids who talk big and act like they know a lot when we don't know jack. I do know one thing, though: I am happy for what I have got, and won't complain about it.

[getupkids]

About the whole "osama" thing. Clinton had the opportunity to rid him of this world. Bush on the other hand, did not. Clinton's thought was " he hasn't done anything wrong to us recently, so there is not point in it."

[Pliedes]

Originally posted by karnaj686:

"It looks like the Bush has put America in the hole $480 billion and is going to have the largest federal deficit in history. In order stay afloat, the federal budget will have to be cut as much as 40%. Read a Washington Post article about Bush's record-setting debt"

Because its not like we've been fighting a war in Iraq, inheriting an already huge debt, a war on terrorism, and had to deal with the econmic repercusions of terrorist attacks. The government has had to give out billions of dollars to airline companies alone to save them all from filing bankrupcy.
I'm not saying debt is a good thing, but it's not because Bush is giving money away (like the thousands of social programs which aren't the govt's place to begin with); it's all because of things that have happened during the administration.
Pull you head out of your ass.

Lugo, your posts are filled with so many different things, why don't you start individual topics on different issues so we can focus on specifics and we'll show you how you are often very wrong.

[VOL]

hey karnaj686.. how bout you stop double-posting?

[Dr. Seuss]

Hey Vol.. how about you stop being a dumbass. Karnawhatever didn't double-post. Ok? Ok.

[VOL]

right.... i understand.. why don't you just get off this site? we don't need you .. go be with Schroeder and his gay lovin' incest humpin' ass.

[Dr. Seuss]

Originally posted by VOL:
right.... i understand.. why don't you just get off this site? we don't need you .. go be with Schroeder and his gay lovin' incest humpin' ass.

Oh bitch, please. You, of all people, can't actually believe that I give a shit about what you think let alone actually believe that I will take advice from you. Why don't you do us all a favor and never log back in here again. If you don't know how to leave here, I will be sure to give you some in-depth directions that even you, a dumbass, can understand.

[Saint DH]

Originally posted by Dirty Harry:
Kajami seriously you are such a faggot. Grow up.

Originally posted by Alpha:
Hmmm... He's a faggot because he wants to express how he feels... then wouldn't that also make you a faggot too? Since you did express your feelings towards him?

Originally posted by Alpha:
You're just being a fag when it comes to this situation.

Fuck you Alpha, you cocksucking fairy. I guess that makes you a fag in this situation, too. Dipshit.

[ September 07, 2003, 02:37 AM: Message edited by: Dirty Harry ]

[the_butcher]

Robert, you are pathetic for believing that people might actually want to hear this bullshit that you continue to preach as if it were fact. Since you can't prove it to be true, as you said before, you need to learn that there are other views in this world. Get off your high horse and shoot yourself in the face. You'd be doing everyone a favor.

[getupkids]

very well said butcher