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THEINCREDIBLEdork · 08-13-2008, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Repugnant Abomination

Approximately $474 billion has been spent as of 12/07. The CBO (congressional budget office) has estimated the total cost of the war in Iraq to U.S. taxpayers will be around $1.9 trillion. It is a financial black hole that is greatly contributing to bankrupting our country. This money could be much better spent on education and health care.

The problem with citing financial costs of the war is the fact that war stimulates the economy and creates more money/jobs (as long as its not on our own turf). Not using this as an argument for the war, just pointing out why it shouldn't be used as an argument against war.

As to your fear of evangelicals, I just don't share it. I fear the socialists much more than the evangelicals. Compared to the major issues the country faces today, the evangelicals are pushing for things that are incredibly stupid, and they're losing by the way. Gay marriage, abortion, etc are here and legal. I know you don't like to hear it, but things like gay marriage and Intelligent Design have little to do with the future outcome of the country, or quality of life, relatively.

Repugnant Abomination · 08-13-2008, 07:51 PM

Fair enough. I think we both agree on these issues, we just place more importance on one over the other. Perhaps my ferver is a little too personal, but I can't help that.

THEINCREDIBLEdork · 08-13-2008, 07:56 PM

Very true. I feel your fear about the slippery slope of civil rights, freedom of speech, etc. But right now I feel the evangelicals and their enemies (people like you) pretty much keep each other in check.

THEINCREDIBLEdork · 08-13-2008, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Repugnant Abomination

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Originally Posted by ID

there are people who are religious that i respect

I can't think of one.

What we have hear is called a seemingly self fulfilled prophecy.

here is a really good paper i read a couple years ago, although i don't expect anyone to read it.

https://oncourse.iu.edu/access/conte...o_20little.pdf

Ugly Bastard · 08-13-2008, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Repugnant Abomination

It's not about spiting them. I don't want their religious beliefs having an effect on my life through public policy. I respect your desire of wanting to do with your money what you want, but even you would agree that this is downside to the vote you'll be casting.

No, I don't agree. Quit "pricing me in" to be all buddy-buddy with you.

You are wrong.

McCain is a rogue member of the Republican party.

Obama's mentors are truly disturbing, scary nutjobs.

Google their names. Or do you not ask questions you're too afraid to hear the answer to?

Repugnant Abomination · 08-13-2008, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Ugly Bastard

No, I don't agree. Quit "pricing me in" to be all buddy-buddy with you.

You are wrong.

McCain is a rogue member of the Republican party.

Obama's mentors are truly disturbing, scary nutjobs.

Google their names. Or do you not ask questions you're too afraid to hear the answer to?

I'm not trying to price you in to be buddy-buddy with me. I'm trying to be nice and civil, but you're obviously too big of an asshole not to be antagonistic.

Ugly Bastard · 08-13-2008, 08:36 PM

LOL wow...

Repugnant Abomination · 08-13-2008, 08:41 PM

And I don't care who Obama talks to. If people judged me based on all of the retards I know and talk to (like you) then they'd view me more negatively too.

Ugly Bastard · 08-13-2008, 08:50 PM

Your hypocrisy in this thread would make Obama proud.

The same could be said about your naivety. Either your crush on Obama is blinding you from making an objective assessment about his qualifications to be President, or you're just downright ignorant if you can't see the value in inquiring about the characters that have helped shape his worldview.

SittinOnDubsWGW · 08-14-2008, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by THEINCREDIBLEdork

Thats how most people smarten up and become republicans. Once they see how much Uncle Sam takes out of your check.

No shit. Its absolutely disgusting to see how much money is taken from your check from taxes, Social Security (a program that we will probably not see any benefit from), etc.

I fucking hate social programs. I've always been one of the thought that the government should not have to take care/watch after you and that people should take care of themselves. SS is one of the things that I hate the most. Investing a lot of money into a forced retirement when it is likely that you would be able to get much larger returns investing it yourself. If people are too dumb to realize that they need to invest in order to retire, it shouldn't be the government's job to bail them out.

Same with the idiots that are getting bailed out in the housing market, when their asses should have been foreclosed.

DJ FC · 08-14-2008, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Ugly Bastard

I dislike Barack Obama the least of those candidates mentioned.

What changed your mind?

Mr. Blonde · 08-22-2008, 04:35 PM

Here is an article I just found. By no means is this a one-shot "THIS IS WHY" article, just putting all points out there.

Why I Will Not Vote for John McCain

By Phillip Butler / Military.com

As some of you might know, John McCain is a long-time acquaintance of mine that goes way back to our time together at the U.S. Naval Academy and as Prisoners of War in Vietnam. He is a man I respect and admire in some ways. But there are a number of reasons why I will not vote for him for President of the United States.

When I was a Plebe (4th classman, or freshman) at the Naval Academy in 1957-58, I was assigned to the 17th Company for my four years there. In those days we had about 3,600 midshipmen spread among 24 companies, thus about 150 midshipmen to a company. As fortune would have it, John, a First Classman (senior) and his room mate lived directly across the hall from me and my two room mates. Believe me when I say that back then I would never in a million or more years have dreamed that the crazy guy across the hall would someday be a Senator and candidate for President!

John was a wild man. He was funny, with a quick wit and he was intelligent. But he was intent on breaking every USNA regulation in our 4 inch thick USNA Regulations book. And I believe he must have come as close to his goal as any midshipman who ever attended the Academy. John had me "coming around" to his room frequently during my plebe year. And on one occasion he took me with him to escape "over the wall" in the dead of night. He had a taxi cab waiting for us that took us to a bar some 7 miles away. John had a few beers, but forbid me to drink (watching out for me I guess) and made me drink cokes. I could tell many other midshipman stories about John that year and he unbelievably managed to graduate though he spent the majority of his first class year on restriction for the stuff he did get caught doing. In fact he barely managed to graduate, standing 5th from the bottom of his 800 man graduating class. I and many others have speculated that the main reason he did graduate was because his father was an Admiral, and also his grandfather, both U.S. Naval Academy graduates.

People often ask if I was a Prisoner of War with John McCain. My answer is always "No - John McCain was a POW with me." The reason is I was there for 8 years and John got there 2 ½ years later, so he was a POW for 5 ½ years. And we have our own seniority system, based on time as a POW.

John's treatment as a POW:

1) Was he tortured for 5 years? No. He was subjected to torture and maltreatment during his first 2 years, from September of 1967 to September of 1969. After September of 1969 the Vietnamese stopped the torture and gave us increased food and rudimentary health care. Several hundred of us were captured much earlier. I got there April 20, 1965 so my bad treatment period lasted 4 1/2 years. President Ho Chi Minh died on September 9, 1969, and the new regime that replaced him and his policies was more pragmatic. They realized we were worth a lot as bargaining chips if we were alive. And they were right because eventually Americans gave up on the war and agreed to trade our POW's for their country. A damn good trade in my opinion! But my point here is that John allows the media to make him out to be THE hero POW, which he knows is absolutely not true, to further his political goals.

2) John was badly injured when he was shot down. Both arms were broken and he had other wounds from his ejection. Unfortunately this was often the case - new POW's arriving with broken bones and serious combat injuries. Many died from their wounds. Medical care was non-existent to rudimentary. Relief from pain was almost never given and often the wounds were used as an available way to torture the POW. Because John's father was the Naval Commander in the Pacific theater, he was exploited with TV interviews while wounded. These film clips have now been widely seen. But it must be known that many POW's suffered similarly, not just John. And many were similarly exploited for political propaganda.

3) John was offered, and refused, "early release." Many of us were given this offer. It meant speaking out against your country and lying about your treatment to the press. You had to "admit" that the U.S. was criminal and that our treatment was "lenient and humane." So I, like numerous others, refused the offer. This was obviously something none of us could accept. Besides, we were bound by our service regulations, Geneva Conventions and loyalties to refuse early release until all the POW's were released, with the sick and wounded going first.

4) John was awarded a Silver Star and Purple Heart for heroism and wounds in combat. This heroism has been played up in the press and in his various political campaigns. But it should be known that there were approximately 600 military POW's in Vietnam. Among all of us, decorations awarded have recently been totaled to the following: Medals of Honor - 8, Service Crosses - 42, Silver Stars - 590, Bronze Stars - 958 and Purple Hearts - 1,249. John certainly performed courageously and well. But it must be remembered that he was one hero among many - not uniquely so as his campaigns would have people believe.

John McCain served his time as a POW with great courage, loyalty and tenacity. More that 600 of us did the same. After our repatriation a census showed that 95% of us had been tortured at least once. The Vietnamese were quite democratic about it. There were many heroes in North Vietnam. I saw heroism every day there. And we motivated each other to endure and succeed far beyond what any of us thought we had in ourselves. Succeeding as a POW is a group sport, not an individual one. We all supported and encouraged each other to survive and succeed. John knows that. He was not an individual POW hero. He was a POW who surmounted the odds with the help of many comrades, as all of us did.

I furthermore believe that having been a POW is no special qualification for being President of the United States. The two jobs are not the same, and POW experience is not, in my opinion, something I would look for in a presidential candidate.

Most of us who survived that experience are now in our late 60's and 70's. Sadly, we have died and are dying off at a greater rate than our non-POW contemporaries. We experienced injuries and malnutrition that are coming home to roost. So I believe John's age (73) and survival expectation are not good for being elected to serve as our President for 4 or more years.

I can verify that John has an infamous reputation for being a hot head. He has a quick and explosive temper that many have experienced first hand. Folks, quite honestly that is not the finger I want next to that red button.

It is also disappointing to see him take on and support Bush's war in Iraq, even stating we might be there for another 100 years. For me John represents the entrenched and bankrupt policies of Washington-as-usual. The past 7 years have proven to be disastrous for our country. And I believe John's views on war, foreign policy, economics, environment, health care, education, national infrastructure and other important areas are much the same as those of the Bush administration.

I'm disappointed to see John represent himself politically in ways that are not accurate. He is not a moderate Republican. On some issues he is a maverick. But his voting record is far to the right. I fear for his nominations to our Supreme Court, and the consequent continuing loss of individual freedoms, especially regarding moral and religious issues. John is not a religious person, but he has taken every opportunity to ally himself with some really obnoxious and crazy fundamentalist ministers lately. I was also disappointed to see him cozy up to Bush because I know he hates that man. He disingenuously and famously put his arm around the guy, even after Bush had intensely disrespected him with lies and slander. So on these and many other instances, I don't see that John is the "straight talk express" he markets himself to be.

Senator John Sidney McCain, III is a remarkable man who has made enormous personal achievements. And he is a man that I am proud to call a fellow POW who "Returned With Honor." That's our POW motto. But since many of you keep asking what I think of him, I've decided to write it out. In short, I think John Sidney McCain, III is a good man, but not someone I will vote for in the upcoming election to be our President of the United States.

Doctor Phillip Butler is a 1961 graduate of the United States Naval Academy and a former light-attack carrier pilot. In 1965 he was shot down over North Vietnam where he spent eight years as a prisoner of war. He is a highly decorated combat veteran who was awarded two Silver Stars, two Legion of Merits, two Bronze Stars and two Purple Heart medals.

After his repatriation in 1973 he earned a Ph.D. in sociology from the University of California at San Diego and became a Navy Organizational Effectiveness consultant. He completed his Navy career in 1981 as a professor of management at the Naval Postgraduate School in Monterey, California. He is now a peace and justice activist with Veterans for Peace.

Repugnant Abomination · 08-22-2008, 05:11 PM

It's not until the 6th paragraph from the end (beginning with McCain being a hot head) that he gives any real reason to be opposed to McCain. Everything before that (the majority) is a non issue.

SittinOnDubsWGW · 08-22-2008, 05:50 PM

It always cracks me up how campaigns always talk about people's reputations as partiers during their time in academies/universities. I don't think that disqualifies anyone in regards to their currrent work ethic/values/etc. I'm more likely to think that they were a "normal" person at college if that were the case, and probably more socially apt.

Mr. Blonde · 08-22-2008, 06:03 PM

if theres one thing i care about in a president, its their social aptitude. they had to be popular in highschool too.

SittinOnDubsWGW · 08-22-2008, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Blonde

if theres one thing i care about in a president, its their social aptitude. they had to be popular in highschool too.

LOL. This isn't at all what I meant by my statement. I think that its a completely irrelevant point, but things of that nature are always brought up.

Heaven Can Wait · 08-23-2008, 06:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Repugnant Abomination

It's not until the 6th paragraph from the end (beginning with McCain being a hot head) that he gives any real reason to be opposed to McCain. Everything before that (the majority) is a non issue.

Agreed, although it does give you a little insight on what an ass he is.

THEINCREDIBLEdork · 08-23-2008, 07:30 AM

That article made me want to vote for mccain

f3lix · 08-23-2008, 10:18 AM

With Obama picking Joe Biden as his running mate, a victory speech should be in McCain's future. Obama picks the exact opposite candidate that he needed to defend his "change" message by picking a guy who's been in federal government for 35 years. While I think Obama needed some help (and Biden can do that) it just goes to show how bullshit this "change" message really is and that McCain is not only ridding the polling gap, but will soon be winning and will take this election 60/40 just as I called two months ago.

Mr. Blonde · 08-23-2008, 10:56 AM

wanna make a wager on it?

Ugly Bastard · 08-23-2008, 12:12 PM

YES!

I've already got $30k on McCain, but the more I can get from these Obamamania suckers the better. How much you want to risk, Blonde? People are laying me 3:2 right now, but I'll give you even money so as not to fleece you too terribly.

Also, the Biden pick will perfectly highlight Obama's inexperience. Flip them on the ticket and it's fine. As is, the Obama ship will sink like a stone and I, for one, can't wait to watch.

Beebs · 08-23-2008, 01:16 PM

YouTube - Joe Biden On Barack Obama

Ugly Bastard · 08-23-2008, 01:23 PM

LOL

I LOVE watching the Democrats shit all over themselves. LOVE IT LOVE IT LOVE IT!!!

Mr. Blonde · 08-23-2008, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Ugly Bastard

YES!

I've already got $30k on McCain, but the more I can get from these Obamamania suckers the better. How much you want to risk, Blonde? People are laying me 3:2 right now, but I'll give you even money so as not to fleece you too terribly.

Also, the Biden pick will perfectly highlight Obama's inexperience. Flip them on the ticket and it's fine. As is, the Obama ship will sink like a stone and I, for one, can't wait to watch.

you're betting 30 grand on who wins the presidency???

...fuck you, man.

Ugly Bastard · 08-23-2008, 01:34 PM

More than that. Hopefully will have $50-$75k on McCain before election night... though unfortunately people are wisening up and not betting as bullishly on Obama. :-/

Also, note that I've been getting odds on that money, so if he wins, I might be raking in over $100k.

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08-13-2008, 07:56 PM	#28 (permalink)
THEINCREDIBLEdork Emperor Meow Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 9,352 Internets: 290966	Very true. I feel your fear about the slippery slope of civil rights, freedom of speech, etc. But right now I feel the evangelicals and their enemies (people like you) pretty much keep each other in check.
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08-23-2008, 07:30 AM	#43 (permalink)
THEINCREDIBLEdork Emperor Meow Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 9,352 Internets: 290966	That article made me want to vote for mccain
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Mr. Blonde Spice Master Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 17,969 Internets: 284106	Here is an article I just found. By no means is this a one-shot "THIS IS WHY" article, just putting all points out there. Why I Will Not Vote for John McCain By Phillip Butler / Military.com As some of you might know, John McCain is a long-time acquaintance of mine that goes way back to our time together at the U.S. Naval Academy and as Prisoners of War in Vietnam. He is a man I respect and admire in some ways. But there are a number of reasons why I will not vote for him for President of the United States. When I was a Plebe (4th classman, or freshman) at the Naval Academy in 1957-58, I was assigned to the 17th Company for my four years there. In those days we had about 3,600 midshipmen spread among 24 companies, thus about 150 midshipmen to a company. As fortune would have it, John, a First Classman (senior) and his room mate lived directly across the hall from me and my two room mates. Believe me when I say that back then I would never in a million or more years have dreamed that the crazy guy across the hall would someday be a Senator and candidate for President! John was a wild man. He was funny, with a quick wit and he was intelligent. But he was intent on breaking every USNA regulation in our 4 inch thick USNA Regulations book. And I believe he must have come as close to his goal as any midshipman who ever attended the Academy. John had me "coming around" to his room frequently during my plebe year. And on one occasion he took me with him to escape "over the wall" in the dead of night. He had a taxi cab waiting for us that took us to a bar some 7 miles away. John had a few beers, but forbid me to drink (watching out for me I guess) and made me drink cokes. I could tell many other midshipman stories about John that year and he unbelievably managed to graduate though he spent the majority of his first class year on restriction for the stuff he did get caught doing. In fact he barely managed to graduate, standing 5th from the bottom of his 800 man graduating class. I and many others have speculated that the main reason he did graduate was because his father was an Admiral, and also his grandfather, both U.S. Naval Academy graduates. People often ask if I was a Prisoner of War with John McCain. My answer is always "No - John McCain was a POW with me." The reason is I was there for 8 years and John got there 2 ½ years later, so he was a POW for 5 ½ years. And we have our own seniority system, based on time as a POW. John's treatment as a POW: 1) Was he tortured for 5 years? No. He was subjected to torture and maltreatment during his first 2 years, from September of 1967 to September of 1969. After September of 1969 the Vietnamese stopped the torture and gave us increased food and rudimentary health care. Several hundred of us were captured much earlier. I got there April 20, 1965 so my bad treatment period lasted 4 1/2 years. President Ho Chi Minh died on September 9, 1969, and the new regime that replaced him and his policies was more pragmatic. They realized we were worth a lot as bargaining chips if we were alive. And they were right because eventually Americans gave up on the war and agreed to trade our POW's for their country. A damn good trade in my opinion! But my point here is that John allows the media to make him out to be THE hero POW, which he knows is absolutely not true, to further his political goals. 2) John was badly injured when he was shot down. Both arms were broken and he had other wounds from his ejection. Unfortunately this was often the case - new POW's arriving with broken bones and serious combat injuries. Many died from their wounds. Medical care was non-existent to rudimentary. Relief from pain was almost never given and often the wounds were used as an available way to torture the POW. Because John's father was the Naval Commander in the Pacific theater, he was exploited with TV interviews while wounded. These film clips have now been widely seen. But it must be known that many POW's suffered similarly, not just John. And many were similarly exploited for political propaganda. 3) John was offered, and refused, "early release." Many of us were given this offer. It meant speaking out against your country and lying about your treatment to the press. You had to "admit" that the U.S. was criminal and that our treatment was "lenient and humane." So I, like numerous others, refused the offer. This was obviously something none of us could accept. Besides, we were bound by our service regulations, Geneva Conventions and loyalties to refuse early release until all the POW's were released, with the sick and wounded going first. 4) John was awarded a Silver Star and Purple Heart for heroism and wounds in combat. This heroism has been played up in the press and in his various political campaigns. But it should be known that there were approximately 600 military POW's in Vietnam. Among all of us, decorations awarded have recently been totaled to the following: Medals of Honor - 8, Service Crosses - 42, Silver Stars - 590, Bronze Stars - 958 and Purple Hearts - 1,249. John certainly performed courageously and well. But it must be remembered that he was one hero among many - not uniquely so as his campaigns would have people believe. John McCain served his time as a POW with great courage, loyalty and tenacity. More that 600 of us did the same. After our repatriation a census showed that 95% of us had been tortured at least once. The Vietnamese were quite democratic about it. There were many heroes in North Vietnam. I saw heroism every day there. And we motivated each other to endure and succeed far beyond what any of us thought we had in ourselves. Succeeding as a POW is a group sport, not an individual one. We all supported and encouraged each other to survive and succeed. John knows that. He was not an individual POW hero. He was a POW who surmounted the odds with the help of many comrades, as all of us did. I furthermore believe that having been a POW is no special qualification for being President of the United States. The two jobs are not the same, and POW experience is not, in my opinion, something I would look for in a presidential candidate. Most of us who survived that experience are now in our late 60's and 70's. Sadly, we have died and are dying off at a greater rate than our non-POW contemporaries. We experienced injuries and malnutrition that are coming home to roost. So I believe John's age (73) and survival expectation are not good for being elected to serve as our President for 4 or more years. I can verify that John has an infamous reputation for being a hot head. He has a quick and explosive temper that many have experienced first hand. Folks, quite honestly that is not the finger I want next to that red button. It is also disappointing to see him take on and support Bush's war in Iraq, even stating we might be there for another 100 years. For me John represents the entrenched and bankrupt policies of Washington-as-usual. The past 7 years have proven to be disastrous for our country. And I believe John's views on war, foreign policy, economics, environment, health care, education, national infrastructure and other important areas are much the same as those of the Bush administration. I'm disappointed to see John represent himself politically in ways that are not accurate. He is not a moderate Republican. On some issues he is a maverick. But his voting record is far to the right. I fear for his nominations to our Supreme Court, and the consequent continuing loss of individual freedoms, especially regarding moral and religious issues. John is not a religious person, but he has taken every opportunity to ally himself with some really obnoxious and crazy fundamentalist ministers lately. I was also disappointed to see him cozy up to Bush because I know he hates that man. He disingenuously and famously put his arm around the guy, even after Bush had intensely disrespected him with lies and slander. So on these and many other instances, I don't see that John is the "straight talk express" he markets himself to be. Senator John Sidney McCain, III is a remarkable man who has made enormous personal achievements. And he is a man that I am proud to call a fellow POW who "Returned With Honor." That's our POW motto. But since many of you keep asking what I think of him, I've decided to write it out. In short, I think John Sidney McCain, III is a good man, but not someone I will vote for in the upcoming election to be our President of the United States. Doctor Phillip Butler is a 1961 graduate of the United States Naval Academy and a former light-attack carrier pilot. In 1965 he was shot down over North Vietnam where he spent eight years as a prisoner of war. He is a highly decorated combat veteran who was awarded two Silver Stars, two Legion of Merits, two Bronze Stars and two Purple Heart medals. After his repatriation in 1973 he earned a Ph.D. in sociology from the University of California at San Diego and became a Navy Organizational Effectiveness consultant. He completed his Navy career in 1981 as a professor of management at the Naval Postgraduate School in Monterey, California. He is now a peace and justice activist with Veterans for Peace.

08-22-2008, 05:11 PM	#38 (permalink)
Repugnant Abomination Almost there... Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 5,979 Internets: 164547	It's not until the 6th paragraph from the end (beginning with McCain being a hot head) that he gives any real reason to be opposed to McCain. Everything before that (the majority) is a non issue.

08-22-2008, 05:50 PM	#39 (permalink)
SittinOnDubsWGW I make bad decisions. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Desert Posts: 3,018 Internets: 108015	It always cracks me up how campaigns always talk about people's reputations as partiers during their time in academies/universities. I don't think that disqualifies anyone in regards to their currrent work ethic/values/etc. I'm more likely to think that they were a "normal" person at college if that were the case, and probably more socially apt.

08-22-2008, 06:03 PM	#40 (permalink)
Mr. Blonde Spice Master Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 17,969 Internets: 284106	if theres one thing i care about in a president, its their social aptitude. they had to be popular in highschool too.

08-23-2008, 10:18 AM	#44 (permalink)
f3lix Gangnam Style Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: DH's Massage Parlor Posts: 6,383 Internets: 213510	With Obama picking Joe Biden as his running mate, a victory speech should be in McCain's future. Obama picks the exact opposite candidate that he needed to defend his "change" message by picking a guy who's been in federal government for 35 years. While I think Obama needed some help (and Biden can do that) it just goes to show how bullshit this "change" message really is and that McCain is not only ridding the polling gap, but will soon be winning and will take this election 60/40 just as I called two months ago.

08-23-2008, 10:56 AM	#45 (permalink)
Mr. Blonde Spice Master Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 17,969 Internets: 284106	wanna make a wager on it?

08-23-2008, 12:12 PM	#46 (permalink)
Ugly Bastard Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: U.S.A. Posts: 13,643 Internets: 247330	YES! I've already got $30k on McCain, but the more I can get from these Obamamania suckers the better. How much you want to risk, Blonde? People are laying me 3:2 right now, but I'll give you even money so as not to fleece you too terribly. Also, the Biden pick will perfectly highlight Obama's inexperience. Flip them on the ticket and it's fine. As is, the Obama ship will sink like a stone and I, for one, can't wait to watch.

08-23-2008, 01:23 PM	#48 (permalink)
Ugly Bastard Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: U.S.A. Posts: 13,643 Internets: 247330	LOL I LOVE watching the Democrats shit all over themselves. LOVE IT LOVE IT LOVE IT!!!

08-23-2008, 01:34 PM	#50 (permalink)
Ugly Bastard Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: U.S.A. Posts: 13,643 Internets: 247330	More than that. Hopefully will have $50-$75k on McCain before election night... though unfortunately people are wisening up and not betting as bullishly on Obama. :-/ Also, note that I've been getting odds on that money, so if he wins, I might be raking in over $100k.