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Repugnant Abomination · 08-11-2008, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by George W. Bush

Ummm... Albert Einstein?

No. You pick Noam "Dooshbag" Chomsky

They're very comparable in regards to they both revolutionized their fields. You place more importance on physics, and perhaps rightly so. Sure, I'll give you that. I was exaggerating, but Chomsky is right up there.

What I don't understand is your hostility towards Chomsky. I can only assume it's political. Either way the man is brilliant.

DJ FC · 08-11-2008, 11:37 PM

Except the thing is you wouldn't be sucking his cock so much if he were a capitalist. You find a guy who's hip and emo and trendy, then you learn about his academic work afterward.

Milton Friedman > Noam "I suck cock" Czomski

Repugnant Abomination · 08-12-2008, 12:54 AM

That's just not true, man. Firstly, I doubt most kids our age even know who Chomsky is. Second, Chomsky doesn't appeal to me as an anti-capitalist. My girlfriend is going to get her PhD in linguistics, so I hear a lot about the guy from her, within his field of expertise.

I really think you guys are casting me in this role that I don't represent. I'm not anti-capitalist, and I'm not a socialist. I'm liberal over social issues, but conservative over fiscal issues. And I'm extremely anti-religion. Unfortunately I see the republican party as a vehicle for the evangelical right to push their social agendas, and I absolutely hate it.

Beebs · 08-12-2008, 09:03 AM

Chomskys work in linguistics is pretty ground breaking, but it doesn't make him any less of a cunt.

Heaven Can Wait · 08-12-2008, 07:06 PM

I love how no one really has any reason to oppose Chomsky, other than the cunt that he is, Is he not mr social libertarian Repug? reading all that anarchism stuff makes me thing he is a little anti-capitalist.

Beebs · 08-13-2008, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Heaven Can Wait

I love how no one really has any reason to oppose Chomsky, other than the cunt that he is, Is he not mr social libertarian Repug? reading all that anarchism stuff makes me thing he is a little anti-capitalist.

Quote:

That there isn't much difference between slavery, and renting one's self to an owner, or "wage slavery." He feels that it is an attack on personal integrity that destroys and undermines our freedoms. He holds that those that work in the mills should run them, a view held (as he notes) by the Lowell Mill Girls.[40]

Reason.

Repugnant Abomination · 08-13-2008, 02:39 PM

I'd still like someone to address the following part of my post. It's the most important issue for me.

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Originally Posted by Repugnant Abomination

4. The biggest issue for me: the highjacking of the republican party by the evangelical christians. I don't see how you guys can ignore this so much. Religion and politics should never mix, but they do, painfully so with the republican party. They vote based on their Bible, and they push their RELIGIOUS agendas through the republican party. Check out the documentary: God's next army. It's about Patrick Henry College, a privately funded, elite school that is a gateway into the Republican party. They push their conservative christian values in government, with the goal of making this a Christian nation, much like Islam in the middle east. They are very well organized, aggressive, and well funded, and exercise their political strength through the republican party.

If you don't think this is a huge issue then consider this: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10545387/ Basically Dover school was trying to teach intelligent design in the class room. A public school. Now, thankfully the judge ruled against it, but that was a miracle. Here's why - Bush, and the republican party, wanted BOTH evolution and intelligent design taught in schools. He personally appointed the judge, a well known Republican. It was quite literally shocking that this man went against his party in his decision. Bush, and the rest of the Christian right were outraged, and he received plenty of death threats.

That's what we're dealing with on the right. McCain will only strengthen their cause, by default, especially because he has to pander to them. With that said, of all the republican nominee's I was glad he got the nod. He's very moderate when compared to Romney or Huckabee, and since Paul wasn't going to get it McCain was the best alternative.

Repugnant Abomination · 08-15-2008, 10:45 AM

Oh, and by the way, Einstein supported Socialism:

Chapter 6: Capitalism and Socialism, page 73, "Why Socialism?"

Excerpt:
"“The economic anarchy of capitalist society as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of the evil… I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy, accompanied by an educational system which would be oriented toward social goals.”

Not that I am socialist, but I think it's funny that GWB used Einstein as an example as a greater intellect than Chomsky, when they both support Socialism.

DJ FC · 08-15-2008, 10:56 AM

No, this further proves my point!

Einstein was a great academic because of his work. I didn't care about his political side-hobbies when I nominated him. I wasn't even aware he was a socialist. You're the opposite. That's what I said before.

Repugnant Abomination · 08-15-2008, 11:11 AM

I just thought it was funny

Repugnant Abomination · 08-15-2008, 01:17 PM

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Exactly how much of a role will faith and values play in determining the next occupant of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue?
Will the mobilization of values voters trump foreign policy worries on Election Day?

Will the mobilization of values voters trump foreign policy worries on Election Day?

That crucial question takes center stage once again this weekend, as Sens. John McCain and Barack Obama appear together Saturday with the Rev. Rick Warren, author of the best-selling book "The Purpose-Driven Life," at his 22,000-member Saddleback mega-church in Orange County, California.

While the two presumptive nominees are meeting with Warren, members of TheCall, an organization of "values voters," will rally on the National Mall in Washington to emphasize their belief that America is in need of "the mercy of God and a great spiritual awakening."

Full article:
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/08/...ers/index.html

This is exactly what I'm talking about. This isn't even an Obama/McCain issue, this is an American issue. The fact that our politicians, in order to get elected, have to pander to these people, is a source of infinite irritation to me. They're having their debate in a church, hosted by a reverend, for fucks sake.

And why are they called "values" voters? Do non-religious people not have values? They should stick to calling them "faith" voters, or, "delusional" voters.

Ugly Bastard · 08-15-2008, 02:35 PM

repug,

I've been through an angry-at-religion phase myself, but I eventually learned to get over it. Most people who believe in Jesus or some similar dirty aren't manipulative, awful people. Quite the opposite, they are fearful and timid. It's a scary world. Believing in stuff like Jesus and heaven makes it a little easier for people to get through their day without having a nervous breakdown. I've learned that being angry at them all the time is kind of like being angry at a group of kids for sleeping with a teddy bear at night.

THEINCREDIBLEdork · 08-15-2008, 03:06 PM

You have to admit though that sleeping with a teddy bear at night is pretty fucking stupid. Sometime I just want to choke slam kids into my knee that do that because it pisses me off so much.

Repugnant Abomination · 08-15-2008, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Ugly Bastard

repug,

I've been through an angry-at-religion phase myself, but I eventually learned to get over it. Most people who believe in Jesus or some similar dirty aren't manipulative, awful people. Quite the opposite, they are fearful and timid. It's a scary world. Believing in stuff like Jesus and heaven makes it a little easier for people to get through their day without having a nervous breakdown. I've learned that being angry at them all the time is kind of like being angry at a group of kids for sleeping with a teddy bear at night.

I know. It just scares the crap out of me that these people have the power to determine an election.

THEINCREDIBLEdork · 08-15-2008, 03:26 PM

What do you fear most, their goals in life to do unto others as you would want to be treated?

Repugnant Abomination · 08-15-2008, 04:13 PM

Yeah, I definitely fear that the most.

DJ FC · 08-15-2008, 05:08 PM

In this nation, the president can't make you follow a religion, and is not likely to try too hard to do so. But he can raise taxes. He can raise taxes, cut off trade relations with other nations, redistribute wealth in a wasteful manner, and cripple the economy. These are the things you should fear. Whether the president is Muslim, Mormon, or Methodist will effect you far less than how much damage he decides to do to the American economy.

THEINCREDIBLEdork · 08-15-2008, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Repugnant Abomination

Yeah, I definitely fear that the most.

http://www.nevershaveagain.com/defau...FRJFxwodwzqI1w

Repugnant Abomination · 08-15-2008, 06:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by George W. Bush

In this nation, the president can't make you follow a religion, and is not likely to try too hard to do so. But he can raise taxes. He can raise taxes, cut off trade relations with other nations, redistribute wealth in a wasteful manner, and cripple the economy. These are the things you should fear. Whether the president is Muslim, Mormon, or Methodist will effect you far less than how much damage he decides to do to the American economy.

Point taken. Do you honestly believer Obama is going to single handedly bring America down though?

I think you're oversimplifying what I said.

He can also make abortion illegal (and most contraceptives) ban stem cell research, put intelligent design in the class room, make it impossible for gays to adopt children, and appoint conservative judges into powerful positions for years.

It's not so much about the President as the voters themselves, because ultimately politicians have to appeal to people to get their votes. Democracy, in my opinion, is our greatest strength and greatest
weakness. Power to the people is wonderful, unless the majority votes (in your opinion) the wrong way on issues. And since social conservatism is pretty much interchangable with Christianity in this country, I have a real problem with it. They want to Christianize this country, much like Iran is Islamic - Religion and law become one. Granted that's an extreme example, but my point is, democracy is only as good as the people practicing it.

You guys should be able to relate, because you're feeling the exact same thing towards Obama as I am towards the Republican party. I just really, really, really wish Ron Paul would have got the nomination. Fiscally conservative, small government, and socially liberal (in general).

One of Paul's main appeals to me was his foreign policy. how do you guys feel about McCain's?

DJ FC · 08-16-2008, 02:55 AM

First of all, abortion and stem cell research (assuming the stem cells have abortion as a prerequisite) are two topics which are very different from all the other "conservative" subjects. A libertarian won't argue that gays shouldn't be allowed to marry, but they may argue that abortion should be illegal, and I agree with them. The abortion issue can be argued from a liberty, and not religous, standpoint. The liberties and freedoms of a human being deserve absolute protection from the government. And in my oppinion, this should include the unborn, who may require these the most since they are the most defenseless.

But yes, the issue of conservative judges vs liberal judges is a threat. And I think we'd probably rather see liberal judges appointed.

How did you like Paul's foreign policy? He had none. That was pretty much his weakest aspect. He was too extreme with wanting to remove the US's involvement in international groups and affairs, to the point where it would be unrealistic and dangerous both politically and economically.

THEINCREDIBLEdork · 08-18-2008, 11:20 PM

http://imagechan.com/img/5559/Atheists/

how can you possibly fear this little spitfire?

Repugnant Abomination · 08-19-2008, 01:32 PM

Ugh...

Ugly Bastard · 08-19-2008, 02:21 PM

Repug, if you've never read the book "God is Not Great", you should. It'd be like porn to your current state of mind.

Repugnant Abomination · 08-19-2008, 03:09 PM

I'll look into it. Currently I'm reading the God Delusion, which is pretty solid. It goes well with the Science and Religion class I just finished.

Heaven Can Wait · 08-19-2008, 04:56 PM

The God Delusion is ok.
Has anyone read A Brief History Of Time?
Explain spin, pls.

08-11-2008, 11:37 PM	#77 (permalink)
DJ FC MURICAN Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Virginia Posts: 5,136 Internets: 253094	Except the thing is you wouldn't be sucking his cock so much if he were a capitalist. You find a guy who's hip and emo and trendy, then you learn about his academic work afterward. Milton Friedman > Noam "I suck cock" Czomski
	The basis of our governments being the opinion of the people, the very first object should be to keep that right; and were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers, or newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate a moment to prefer the latter. But I should mean that every man should receive those papers and be capable of reading them.

08-12-2008, 12:54 AM	#78 (permalink)
Repugnant Abomination Almost there... Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 5,979 Internets: 164547	That's just not true, man. Firstly, I doubt most kids our age even know who Chomsky is. Second, Chomsky doesn't appeal to me as an anti-capitalist. My girlfriend is going to get her PhD in linguistics, so I hear a lot about the guy from her, within his field of expertise. I really think you guys are casting me in this role that I don't represent. I'm not anti-capitalist, and I'm not a socialist. I'm liberal over social issues, but conservative over fiscal issues. And I'm extremely anti-religion. Unfortunately I see the republican party as a vehicle for the evangelical right to push their social agendas, and I absolutely hate it.
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08-12-2008, 07:06 PM	#80 (permalink)
Heaven Can Wait English. Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: England Posts: 868 Internets: 179	I love how no one really has any reason to oppose Chomsky, other than the cunt that he is, Is he not mr social libertarian Repug? reading all that anarchism stuff makes me thing he is a little anti-capitalist.
	there is little I wouldn't do for a dolphin.

08-15-2008, 10:45 AM	#83 (permalink)
Repugnant Abomination Almost there... Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 5,979 Internets: 164547	Oh, and by the way, Einstein supported Socialism: Chapter 6: Capitalism and Socialism, page 73, "Why Socialism?" Excerpt: "“The economic anarchy of capitalist society as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of the evil… I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy, accompanied by an educational system which would be oriented toward social goals.” Not that I am socialist, but I think it's funny that GWB used Einstein as an example as a greater intellect than Chomsky, when they both support Socialism.
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08-15-2008, 10:56 AM	#84 (permalink)
DJ FC MURICAN Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Virginia Posts: 5,136 Internets: 253094	No, this further proves my point! Einstein was a great academic because of his work. I didn't care about his political side-hobbies when I nominated him. I wasn't even aware he was a socialist. You're the opposite. That's what I said before.
	The basis of our governments being the opinion of the people, the very first object should be to keep that right; and were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers, or newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate a moment to prefer the latter. But I should mean that every man should receive those papers and be capable of reading them. Last edited by DJ FC; 08-15-2008 at 10:57 AM.

08-12-2008, 09:03 AM	#79 (permalink)
Beebs Poor Sport Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Indianapolis / Middlebury / Long Lake Posts: 5,306 Internets: 127341	Chomskys work in linguistics is pretty ground breaking, but it doesn't make him any less of a cunt.

08-15-2008, 11:11 AM	#85 (permalink)
Repugnant Abomination Almost there... Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 5,979 Internets: 164547	I just thought it was funny

08-15-2008, 01:17 PM	#86 (permalink)
Repugnant Abomination Almost there... Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 5,979 Internets: 164547	WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Exactly how much of a role will faith and values play in determining the next occupant of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue? Will the mobilization of values voters trump foreign policy worries on Election Day? Will the mobilization of values voters trump foreign policy worries on Election Day? That crucial question takes center stage once again this weekend, as Sens. John McCain and Barack Obama appear together Saturday with the Rev. Rick Warren, author of the best-selling book "The Purpose-Driven Life," at his 22,000-member Saddleback mega-church in Orange County, California. While the two presumptive nominees are meeting with Warren, members of TheCall, an organization of "values voters," will rally on the National Mall in Washington to emphasize their belief that America is in need of "the mercy of God and a great spiritual awakening." Full article: http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/08/...ers/index.html This is exactly what I'm talking about. This isn't even an Obama/McCain issue, this is an American issue. The fact that our politicians, in order to get elected, have to pander to these people, is a source of infinite irritation to me. They're having their debate in a church, hosted by a reverend, for fucks sake. And why are they called "values" voters? Do non-religious people not have values? They should stick to calling them "faith" voters, or, "delusional" voters.
	Last edited by Repugnant Abomination; 08-15-2008 at 01:20 PM.

08-15-2008, 02:35 PM	#87 (permalink)
Ugly Bastard Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: U.S.A. Posts: 13,643 Internets: 247330	repug, I've been through an angry-at-religion phase myself, but I eventually learned to get over it. Most people who believe in Jesus or some similar dirty aren't manipulative, awful people. Quite the opposite, they are fearful and timid. It's a scary world. Believing in stuff like Jesus and heaven makes it a little easier for people to get through their day without having a nervous breakdown. I've learned that being angry at them all the time is kind of like being angry at a group of kids for sleeping with a teddy bear at night.

08-15-2008, 03:06 PM	#88 (permalink)
THEINCREDIBLEdork Emperor Meow Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 9,352 Internets: 290966	You have to admit though that sleeping with a teddy bear at night is pretty fucking stupid. Sometime I just want to choke slam kids into my knee that do that because it pisses me off so much.
	#YOLO

08-15-2008, 03:26 PM	#90 (permalink)
THEINCREDIBLEdork Emperor Meow Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 9,352 Internets: 290966	What do you fear most, their goals in life to do unto others as you would want to be treated?
	#YOLO

08-15-2008, 04:13 PM	#91 (permalink)
Repugnant Abomination Almost there... Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 5,979 Internets: 164547	Yeah, I definitely fear that the most.

08-15-2008, 05:08 PM	#92 (permalink)
DJ FC MURICAN Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Virginia Posts: 5,136 Internets: 253094	In this nation, the president can't make you follow a religion, and is not likely to try too hard to do so. But he can raise taxes. He can raise taxes, cut off trade relations with other nations, redistribute wealth in a wasteful manner, and cripple the economy. These are the things you should fear. Whether the president is Muslim, Mormon, or Methodist will effect you far less than how much damage he decides to do to the American economy.
	The basis of our governments being the opinion of the people, the very first object should be to keep that right; and were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers, or newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate a moment to prefer the latter. But I should mean that every man should receive those papers and be capable of reading them.

08-16-2008, 02:55 AM	#95 (permalink)
DJ FC MURICAN Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Virginia Posts: 5,136 Internets: 253094	First of all, abortion and stem cell research (assuming the stem cells have abortion as a prerequisite) are two topics which are very different from all the other "conservative" subjects. A libertarian won't argue that gays shouldn't be allowed to marry, but they may argue that abortion should be illegal, and I agree with them. The abortion issue can be argued from a liberty, and not religous, standpoint. The liberties and freedoms of a human being deserve absolute protection from the government. And in my oppinion, this should include the unborn, who may require these the most since they are the most defenseless. But yes, the issue of conservative judges vs liberal judges is a threat. And I think we'd probably rather see liberal judges appointed. How did you like Paul's foreign policy? He had none. That was pretty much his weakest aspect. He was too extreme with wanting to remove the US's involvement in international groups and affairs, to the point where it would be unrealistic and dangerous both politically and economically.
	The basis of our governments being the opinion of the people, the very first object should be to keep that right; and were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers, or newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate a moment to prefer the latter. But I should mean that every man should receive those papers and be capable of reading them.

08-18-2008, 11:20 PM	#96 (permalink)
THEINCREDIBLEdork Emperor Meow Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 9,352 Internets: 290966	http://imagechan.com/img/5559/Atheists/ how can you possibly fear this little spitfire?
	#YOLO

08-19-2008, 01:32 PM	#97 (permalink)
Repugnant Abomination Almost there... Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 5,979 Internets: 164547	Ugh...

08-19-2008, 02:21 PM	#98 (permalink)
Ugly Bastard Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: U.S.A. Posts: 13,643 Internets: 247330	Repug, if you've never read the book "God is Not Great", you should. It'd be like porn to your current state of mind.

08-19-2008, 03:09 PM	#99 (permalink)
Repugnant Abomination Almost there... Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 5,979 Internets: 164547	I'll look into it. Currently I'm reading the God Delusion, which is pretty solid. It goes well with the Science and Religion class I just finished.

08-19-2008, 04:56 PM	#100 (permalink)
Heaven Can Wait English. Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: England Posts: 868 Internets: 179	The God Delusion is ok. Has anyone read A Brief History Of Time? Explain spin, pls.
	there is little I wouldn't do for a dolphin.