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f3lix · 11-03-2003, 06:02 PM

We can all ramble on this topic...

Fact 1: nobody has EVER been proven dead from singly smoking Marijuana.

Fact 2: Marijuana stimulates reaction speed, unlike the anti-drug commercials show.

Fact 3: Many drug lords would be broke if we legalized marijuana, b/c they have no profit when their carriers can just cross the border freely and not risk life in prison.

Fact 4: Repubs and Dems will never legalize it b/c it is anti-drug that makes them seem moral and gets them elected; what would the parties slam the Libertarians with if drugs were legal???

11-13-2003, 04:58 AM

Hate to point this out but while Fact 2 may or may not be true (I'm not going to debate it specifically), Marijuana has a negative effect on coordination and depth-preception. These effects are clinically proven (I hate it when every stoner thinks they are a special case "but i drive all the time, seriously I'm used to it, that's just DARE bullshit." I do admit that DARE is 60% bullshit, and I agree that Marijuana should be legalized, but false or exagerated claims (Marijuanas magical medical benefits, no harm to short term memory, the practicality of hemp) merely provide an easy target for closed-minded people to attack. So I urge people to be very precise in how the discuss the topic of Marijuana legalization, in order to help the cause in the long run.

Pliedes · 11-13-2003, 12:46 PM

Fact 1 - I'd agree that marijuana isn't deadly, infact, it doesn't even have any substantial negative effects.

Fact 2 - I'm gonna have to probably disagree, and I think the DJ laid out a good case for me.

Fact 3 - Another good point. It'd be help put a stop to drug dealing (to some extent). The better point is the tax money that would be recieved from it, because drug dealers would simply move on to other drugs anyways.

Fact 4 - Humorous, but please don't be so ignorant as to say that drugs are the only ideological ground one which the major parties disagree with Libertarians.

Dent · 09-14-2010, 10:55 AM

BBC News - Call for licensed cannabis sales

Der Fuhrer · 09-14-2010, 02:29 PM

STUTTER MUCH? Jesus that guy was a fucking moron.

The problem with this debate is that the people most in favor of legalization, and thus the most active in their protest, are often the dumbest, most burnt out stoners. The moderate user, and often the most intelligent user, is not frequently vocal in their consumption of marijuana due to the negative societal connotations associated with marijuana usage. Make no mistake however, that legalization would put marijuana dealers out of business. There is a reason it's called "weed", because it grows like a weed, in nearly any climate, in nearly every geographic location. It is a very opportunistic specie of plant.

Should it be legalized? Absolutely. Its long-term negative side effects are minimal, especially when compared to other drugs such as alcohol and tobacco, both of which are legal. I could argue that it's "healthier" than either one of these drugs. For example, marijuana is not physically addicting, whereas tobacco (nicotine) is extremely physically addicting. Also, when compared to alcohol, the drug is much less impairing on the senses, motor controls, and mental judgment. I will not argue that the drug is not impairing to the senses, because it clearly is. But to allow the consumption of alcohol, which is infinitely more impairing than cannabis, and not marijuana, is ridiculous. People die from alcohol related deaths nearly everyday. And drunk driving is the leading cause of vehicle related deaths.

BigDongedHoe · 09-14-2010, 06:45 PM

I always explained it this way:

How many things would I do drunk that I wouldn't do sober? Thousands.

How many things would I do stoned that I wouldn't do sober? Maybe eat, laugh, and lay around a little more.

If alcohol is legal there is absolutely no reason marijuana shouldn't be. The government could regulate it and tax the hell out of it and it would still be a lot cheaper than what people are paying today at street value. It would prevent us from paying unreasonable tax dollars on pot dealers that probably aren't terrible people in a lot of cases. One of the main reasons I think they don't legalize it is public perception and you can't really test for it the same way you can take a breathalyzer when operating machinery or a vehicle.

f3lix · 09-14-2010, 06:50 PM

I heard an argument against legalization that police can't accurately prove that a person is high, when driving. Taking piss tests and such doesn't prove current consumption.

BigDongedHoe · 09-14-2010, 08:17 PM

Marijuana stays in your system anywhere from 4-20+ days depending on how much you smoked/smoke and your fitness level. Therefore it is very possible for you to fail a drug test multiple days later without actually being high.

THC stores in your fat cells.

Der Fuhrer · 09-14-2010, 08:24 PM

Yeah I was thinking about that earlier today, after I made the previous post. There is no way to prove a person in high in the exact moment they are tested. All that can be proved is previous consumption. Until a field test is invented (if ever) that can prove current consumption, weed will probably never be legalized. It's a pretty sound argument, and I do see the potential danger in people driving stoned.

ninjaface · 09-14-2010, 08:46 PM

I had a glimmer of hope for legalization, but now all hope is lost.

BBC News - George Michael jailed for eight weeks for drug driving

Mr. Blonde · 09-14-2010, 09:19 PM

Prop 19 is actually looking really promising.

yeson19.com

THEINCREDIBLEdork · 09-14-2010, 09:51 PM

No kidding bro, hope all goes well in the end.

f3lix · 09-15-2010, 02:03 PM

I watched a documentary on the affects on the mind, comparing sober, weed, and alcohol. It was a woman used for the study and a driving course with sudden surprises was used. In typical fashion, when drunk, she murdered 5 kids that popped up with not much reaction time. When she was sober, she killed 1 of the kids. When she was high, she stopped 30 feet in front of the kids because she was driving so slow and was paranoid that she gave herself all the space in the world needed to save the kids.

Ugly Bastard · 09-15-2010, 02:17 PM

Sounds like a pretty absurd pro-marijuana argument. Nonetheless, name of the documentary for Christ's sake?

f3lix · 09-15-2010, 02:36 PM

It was on one of the discovery channels (maybe TLC?) and was an hour long (with commercials.) The point of it was to prove weed was bad, but in that certain experiment, it just showed how awful women drive and how over-compensating high drivers are.

Repugnant Abomination · 09-15-2010, 03:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Mistoffelees

No kidding bro, hope all goes well in the end.

I'm sorry to hijack the thread, but I can't take it anymore. I want to know the real Mr. Mistoffelees, not whatever personality you come up with or some obvious mimicry you've picked up. I've been on these boards a long time and I've only caught flashes, glimpses of the real man behind the persona's. Even Vaga, who I know almost nothing about, posts authentically. I feel like I can at least get a hold on him, clutch him to my breast - but you, you sir are elusive, an enigma - the Keyser Soze, the Tyler Durden of the boards.

Beebs · 09-15-2010, 06:03 PM

That's pretty much how he is in real life as well.

Mr. Blonde · 09-15-2010, 07:32 PM

He's a lot less outspoken in real life, I feel. You know, an IRL pussy, like DJ FC.

THEINCREDIBLEdork · 09-15-2010, 08:00 PM

DJ FC is a robot.

I'm just a cat looking for his next fancy feast.

Blonde is a mouse.

THEINCREDIBLEdork · 09-15-2010, 08:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by f3lix

I watched a documentary on the affects on the mind, comparing sober, weed, and alcohol. It was a woman used for the study and a driving course with sudden surprises was used. In typical fashion, when drunk, she murdered 5 kids that popped up with not much reaction time. When she was sober, she killed 1 of the kids. When she was high, she stopped 30 feet in front of the kids because she was driving so slow and was paranoid that she gave herself all the space in the world needed to save the kids.

It was a study of one person? This is not science my friend.

BigDongedHoe · 09-15-2010, 09:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Repugnant Abomination

I'm sorry to hijack the thread, but I can't take it anymore. I want to know the real Mr. Mistoffelees, not whatever personality you come up with or some obvious mimicry you've picked up. I've been on these boards a long time and I've only caught flashes, glimpses of the real man behind the persona's. Even Vaga, who I know almost nothing about, posts authentically. I feel like I can at least get a hold on him, clutch him to my breast - but you, you sir are elusive, an enigma - the Keyser Soze, the Tyler Durden of the boards.

He urinates on himself when he drinks too much IRL.

Mr. Blonde · 09-15-2010, 10:25 PM

And vomits orange on peoples parents carpets.

Orgazmo · 09-15-2010, 10:43 PM

It's all true. My largest memory of ID will forever be him pissing on my couch.

Fruitacious B · 09-15-2010, 10:56 PM

And that is why dogs are better than cats.

zebrazebrazebraSHAFT · 09-15-2010, 11:09 PM

I don't think this has been posted anywhere else so I'll leave it here:

The data comes from Dr. David Nutt's assessment of drug harm & dependence: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/bsp/h...rugsreport.pdf

11-13-2003, 04:58 AM	#52 (permalink)
DJ FC Guest Posts: n/a	Hate to point this out but while Fact 2 may or may not be true (I'm not going to debate it specifically), Marijuana has a negative effect on coordination and depth-preception. These effects are clinically proven (I hate it when every stoner thinks they are a special case "but i drive all the time, seriously I'm used to it, that's just DARE bullshit." I do admit that DARE is 60% bullshit, and I agree that Marijuana should be legalized, but false or exagerated claims (Marijuanas magical medical benefits, no harm to short term memory, the practicality of hemp) merely provide an easy target for closed-minded people to attack. So I urge people to be very precise in how the discuss the topic of Marijuana legalization, in order to help the cause in the long run.
DJ FC Guest Posts: n/a

09-14-2010, 06:45 PM	#56 (permalink)
BigDongedHoe Sex Kitten Milf fuuucck Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 3,704 Internets: 55974	I always explained it this way: How many things would I do drunk that I wouldn't do sober? Thousands. How many things would I do stoned that I wouldn't do sober? Maybe eat, laugh, and lay around a little more. If alcohol is legal there is absolutely no reason marijuana shouldn't be. The government could regulate it and tax the hell out of it and it would still be a lot cheaper than what people are paying today at street value. It would prevent us from paying unreasonable tax dollars on pot dealers that probably aren't terrible people in a lot of cases. One of the main reasons I think they don't legalize it is public perception and you can't really test for it the same way you can take a breathalyzer when operating machinery or a vehicle.
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09-14-2010, 08:17 PM	#58 (permalink)
BigDongedHoe Sex Kitten Milf fuuucck Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 3,704 Internets: 55974	Marijuana stays in your system anywhere from 4-20+ days depending on how much you smoked/smoke and your fitness level. Therefore it is very possible for you to fail a drug test multiple days later without actually being high. THC stores in your fat cells.
	There's life and then there is Cubs baseball, it's a chore to seperate the two.

09-14-2010, 09:19 PM	#61 (permalink)
Mr. Blonde Spice Master Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 17,969 Internets: 278288	Prop 19 is actually looking really promising. yeson19.com
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09-14-2010, 09:51 PM	#62 (permalink)
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	#YOLO

11-03-2003, 06:02 PM	#51 (permalink)
f3lix Gangnam Style Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: DH's Massage Parlor Posts: 6,383 Internets: 213510	We can all ramble on this topic... Fact 1: nobody has EVER been proven dead from singly smoking Marijuana. Fact 2: Marijuana stimulates reaction speed, unlike the anti-drug commercials show. Fact 3: Many drug lords would be broke if we legalized marijuana, b/c they have no profit when their carriers can just cross the border freely and not risk life in prison. Fact 4: Repubs and Dems will never legalize it b/c it is anti-drug that makes them seem moral and gets them elected; what would the parties slam the Libertarians with if drugs were legal???

11-13-2003, 12:46 PM	#53 (permalink)
Pliedes Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Puget Sound Posts: 4,594 Internets: 1608	Fact 1 - I'd agree that marijuana isn't deadly, infact, it doesn't even have any substantial negative effects. Fact 2 - I'm gonna have to probably disagree, and I think the DJ laid out a good case for me. Fact 3 - Another good point. It'd be help put a stop to drug dealing (to some extent). The better point is the tax money that would be recieved from it, because drug dealers would simply move on to other drugs anyways. Fact 4 - Humorous, but please don't be so ignorant as to say that drugs are the only ideological ground one which the major parties disagree with Libertarians.

09-14-2010, 10:55 AM	#54 (permalink)
Dent Lost in Hilbert Spice Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Surrounded by knaves and fools Posts: 3,460 Internets: 174266	BBC News - Call for licensed cannabis sales

09-14-2010, 02:29 PM	#55 (permalink)
Der Fuhrer Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 549 Internets: 5464	STUTTER MUCH? Jesus that guy was a fucking moron. The problem with this debate is that the people most in favor of legalization, and thus the most active in their protest, are often the dumbest, most burnt out stoners. The moderate user, and often the most intelligent user, is not frequently vocal in their consumption of marijuana due to the negative societal connotations associated with marijuana usage. Make no mistake however, that legalization would put marijuana dealers out of business. There is a reason it's called "weed", because it grows like a weed, in nearly any climate, in nearly every geographic location. It is a very opportunistic specie of plant. Should it be legalized? Absolutely. Its long-term negative side effects are minimal, especially when compared to other drugs such as alcohol and tobacco, both of which are legal. I could argue that it's "healthier" than either one of these drugs. For example, marijuana is not physically addicting, whereas tobacco (nicotine) is extremely physically addicting. Also, when compared to alcohol, the drug is much less impairing on the senses, motor controls, and mental judgment. I will not argue that the drug is not impairing to the senses, because it clearly is. But to allow the consumption of alcohol, which is infinitely more impairing than cannabis, and not marijuana, is ridiculous. People die from alcohol related deaths nearly everyday. And drunk driving is the leading cause of vehicle related deaths.

09-14-2010, 06:50 PM	#57 (permalink)
f3lix Gangnam Style Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: DH's Massage Parlor Posts: 6,383 Internets: 213510	I heard an argument against legalization that police can't accurately prove that a person is high, when driving. Taking piss tests and such doesn't prove current consumption.

09-14-2010, 08:24 PM	#59 (permalink)
Der Fuhrer Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 549 Internets: 5464	Yeah I was thinking about that earlier today, after I made the previous post. There is no way to prove a person in high in the exact moment they are tested. All that can be proved is previous consumption. Until a field test is invented (if ever) that can prove current consumption, weed will probably never be legalized. It's a pretty sound argument, and I do see the potential danger in people driving stoned.

09-14-2010, 08:46 PM	#60 (permalink)
ninjaface Level 20 Holothetan Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Space Posts: 5,245 Internets: 210144	I had a glimmer of hope for legalization, but now all hope is lost. BBC News - George Michael jailed for eight weeks for drug driving

09-15-2010, 02:03 PM	#63 (permalink)
f3lix Gangnam Style Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: DH's Massage Parlor Posts: 6,383 Internets: 213510	I watched a documentary on the affects on the mind, comparing sober, weed, and alcohol. It was a woman used for the study and a driving course with sudden surprises was used. In typical fashion, when drunk, she murdered 5 kids that popped up with not much reaction time. When she was sober, she killed 1 of the kids. When she was high, she stopped 30 feet in front of the kids because she was driving so slow and was paranoid that she gave herself all the space in the world needed to save the kids.

09-15-2010, 02:17 PM	#64 (permalink)
Ugly Bastard Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: U.S.A. Posts: 13,643 Internets: 247330	Sounds like a pretty absurd pro-marijuana argument. Nonetheless, name of the documentary for Christ's sake?

09-15-2010, 02:36 PM	#65 (permalink)
f3lix Gangnam Style Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: DH's Massage Parlor Posts: 6,383 Internets: 213510	It was on one of the discovery channels (maybe TLC?) and was an hour long (with commercials.) The point of it was to prove weed was bad, but in that certain experiment, it just showed how awful women drive and how over-compensating high drivers are.

09-15-2010, 06:03 PM	#67 (permalink)
Beebs Poor Sport Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Indianapolis / Middlebury / Long Lake Posts: 5,306 Internets: 127341	That's pretty much how he is in real life as well.

09-15-2010, 07:32 PM	#68 (permalink)
Mr. Blonde Spice Master Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 17,969 Internets: 278288	He's a lot less outspoken in real life, I feel. You know, an IRL pussy, like DJ FC.
	Psychedelics are illegal not because a loving government is concerned that you may jump out of a third story window. Psychedelics are illegal because they dissolve opinion structures and culturally laid down models of behavior and information processing. ― Terence McKenna

09-15-2010, 08:00 PM	#69 (permalink)
THEINCREDIBLEdork Emperor Meow Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 9,316 Internets: 284585	DJ FC is a robot. I'm just a cat looking for his next fancy feast. Blonde is a mouse.
	#YOLO

09-15-2010, 10:25 PM	#72 (permalink)
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	Psychedelics are illegal not because a loving government is concerned that you may jump out of a third story window. Psychedelics are illegal because they dissolve opinion structures and culturally laid down models of behavior and information processing. ― Terence McKenna

09-15-2010, 10:43 PM	#73 (permalink)
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09-15-2010, 11:09 PM	#75 (permalink)
zebrazebrazebraSHAFT The Government Join Date: May 2010 Location: Indiana Posts: 98 Internets: 1037	I don't think this has been posted anywhere else so I'll leave it here: The data comes from Dr. David Nutt's assessment of drug harm & dependence: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/bsp/h...rugsreport.pdf
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