11-25-2008, 06:35 PM | #53 (permalink) | |
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11-25-2008, 06:37 PM | #54 (permalink) |
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11-25-2008, 06:40 PM | #55 (permalink) |
G'd up from the feet up.
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I hope it doesn't go this direction:
Those two people end up killing two people each, who may or may not have been good people who may or may not have killed other people who may or many not have deserved it. |
Creeping around as I please nonchalantly like any other Supreme Emperor might.
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11-25-2008, 06:43 PM | #57 (permalink) |
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*shrugs* with the limited information i had at the time i did what was right imo
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11-25-2008, 07:05 PM | #60 (permalink) |
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All you have to do is live a minimalist lifestyle and use nearly all of your earnings to support / feed a few starving africans! And you don't even have do die! If you hate black people, you can choose to support some Eastern European or Southeast Asian children instead.
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11-25-2008, 07:07 PM | #61 (permalink) | |
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11-25-2008, 07:14 PM | #62 (permalink) | |
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11-25-2008, 07:28 PM | #63 (permalink) |
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My point was that we all pretend like we would help others out, but basically we just say "fuck em" and if you aren't living your own life as a fucking monk then you are basically choosing death for others. Death that YOU CAN PREVENT. I don't send any money to Africa, and I am willing to bet that most all of you don't either, so lets not get all fucking butt-hurt about a few Irish babies being "put at risk" for "the greater good."
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11-25-2008, 08:24 PM | #65 (permalink) | |
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11-25-2008, 08:36 PM | #66 (permalink) | |
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Yes, it will save lives, but that does not mean it is automatically ok to intentionally cause harm to a helpless child. This is why ethics is more than arithmetic, because the answer is not always obvious; horrible evil could be justified through a simple body count, and on the other side horrible injustice can be carried out in the name of an inalienable right to life. The entire crux of the argument is that you have rights, justice, utility, and care to consider, and the answer is not just which meets more of the 5, its weighing the particular circumstances; determining when one becomes more important than the other. I'm not saying you can't put a price on life, I'm saying that the "price" is not simply a measurement of lifes, a bodycount. Is saving a life worth impeding on rights? Is saving 20? 20000? What I'm saying is that a simple utilitarian equation is not good enough, saving lives is not always justification enough. Less people would have died had the Allies simply surrendered peacefully to the Axis; far more lives than this study on babies could save, and unimaginable horrors could have been spared, and yet, it was not the ethical thing to do, for the reasons I'm trying to explain. Even if you do accept complete utilitarianism, is a couple hundred thousand lives worth more than ensuring the quality of others lives through protection of their rights? | |
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11-25-2008, 08:47 PM | #67 (permalink) |
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And we've missed the point of the trolley question, it has to do with rights vs utility, and the can be nitpicked down to malfeasance vs nonfeasance, negative rights vs positive rights, and the problem catered to those nitpicks to avoid missing the point of whole question.
Trolley problem - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia That is the trolley problem. It can be phrased dozens of different ways, but that is just to keep people from avoid the question, the purpose is always the same; it shows that utilitarianism calculations simply are not good enough. Its not a personality test, you are not being graded on your morality, you are being asked to think about why your answers change with the situation, thats what I think some of you are missing. It doesn't show you that you are unethical, it shows that the language and thought process most people use to describe "ethics" is insufficient, you are supposed to be unsure, thats the point. Thats why it's called a thought experiment. |
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