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Old 12-10-2011, 02:24 PM   #551 (permalink)
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You're so full of shit it's oozing out your ears.


How do you suppose they do that? Perhaps it could be in the form of obstructing everything he tries to do in the house of representatives? Perhaps by refusing to compromising on anything? Perhaps by creating a political deadlock to the point that people question if our very government is broken? Perhaps by sowing discontent through these means?

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A filibuster hasn't been allowed since like 1842 in the house of representatives. A senate filibuster is not possible if there is a 3/5 majority vote that brings the debate to a close by invoking cloture. If I'm not mistaken, in 2009 the democrats had roughly 58 seats in the senate. 3/5 majority is 60 senators. The republicans tried to use filibusters, but they were often failures. As the 111th congress had over 100 cloture votes within the first year. And let's be clear, a filibuster is nothing more than a delay by prolonging the floor debate. It does not change the legislation or prevent it from becoming law. Like I said, he could pass anything he wanted and the republicans could not stop anything.

I'm beginning to wonder if you know how congress works.

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Old 12-10-2011, 02:48 PM   #553 (permalink)
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It's people like you who are so hyper-partisan that drown out moderate voices on both sides.
Just to play devil's advocate here (ironically?) "moderate" universally has positive connotations and is without question accepted as correct in the collective subconscious. But have we ever considered that this presumption "moderation" might just be 100% wrong? What if the best solution really was liberalism/conservatism/anarchy/communism/etc.?


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Just to play devil's advocate here (ironically?) "moderate" universally has positive connotations and is without question accepted as correct in the collective subconscious. But have we ever considered that this presumption "moderation" might just be 100% wrong? What if the best solution really was liberalism/conservatism/anarchy/communism/etc.?
You might be right, but our system of government was literally designed to make it so we have to compromise and therefore be moderate.
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A filibuster hasn't been allowed since like 1842 in the house of representatives. A senate filibuster is not possible if there is a 3/5 majority vote that brings the debate to a close by invoking cloture. If I'm not mistaken, in 2009 the democrats had roughly 58 seats in the senate. 3/5 majority is 60 senators. The republicans tried to use filibusters, but they were often failures. As the 111th congress had over 100 cloture votes within the first year. And let's be clear, a filibuster is nothing more than a delay by prolonging the floor debate. It does not change the legislation or prevent it from becoming law. Like I said, he could pass anything he wanted and the republicans could not stop anything.

I'm beginning to wonder if you know how congress works.
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I'm going to explain this one more time, just in case anyone doesn't understand.

The real problem going on right now in this country is gerrymandering. Gerrymandering is the act of redistricting by political parties to effectively create voting strongholds. So the democrats and republicans carve up a state so that they will be unchallenged by the opposition in their respective districts. This has the consequence of of incumbents fearing challenges within their own party more than from the opposite party. So what happens is the incumbent, we'll say a republican, is more likely to move farther to the right in order to avoid being labeled liberal and not as "pure". If that republican takes a stance or votes on issues that are contrary to what the right wing of his party wants he becomes much more vulnerable. Since the goal is to stay in office, there is no incentive to work with the other side. So you effectively have dems and repubs moving farther to the right and left to appease their bases, which means political deadlock, because as we all know, we have a system of checks and balances.

Most people don't even know wtf gerrymandering is! I didn't know what it is until about two years ago. When you really start to think about it you realize just how big of a problem it really is.

In my opinion we have to reform this process, or more radically become a parliamentary government so shit can actually get done; politicians are too slick and partisan now to not abuse the system of checks and balances.
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There are 99 problems the USA has right now and gerrymandering certainly is one.


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If I'm not mistaken, in 2009 the democrats had roughly 58 seats in the senate. 3/5 majority is 60 senators.
Uhhh ... 58 < 60 ... you can check my math on that, I could be mistaken ... I'm not an aspiring accountant.

So what you are saying is that if the Republicans wanted to THREATEN to filibuster something, they would just have to assume that the Democrats didn't have what is commonly referred to as a "super majority" in which they can force a cloture vote to end any filibuster ... otherwise, the simple threat of filibuster could be used to block bills that otherwise would have a majority in the Senate?

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I only caught the last 30 minutes of the GOP debate last night but here are some highlights. It's awesome to see Ron Paul getting more attention.

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Paul is by far the most principled candidate with the strongest character. It's really a shame I just don't agree with a lot of his policies.

One thing I have noticed is that his campaign must have brought in a public speaking coach or something, because his oration is much better than it was just six months ago - he's less rushed, bumbles less and is generally more articulate. He still overuses conjunctions though, especially "but".
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I love Ron Paul.


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I'd say that has some credibility if the rest of the world wasn't also fucked. But Europe is worse than the USA so why, exactly, is it reasonable to assume our problems come from relativistic measures? And who's to say these are the cause of the problem rather than just a coorelated by-product?

Pretty weak if you ask me.


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Latest poll shows Paul's numbers continue rising in Iowa.

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