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AcTivE · 02-27-2004, 01:29 AM

i'd have to say--the site sucks. (in my personal opinion) that is off topic though.

VOL · 02-27-2004, 11:02 PM

It is off the topic. Back to the topic.

BarrryJive, murder, of course, does affect people. Gay marriage will affect people. It will affect the very fabric of society. How would you feel if your kids grew up in a world where it was okay for gays and lesbians to marry? It shouldn't be accepted. It WILL have an affect. Not just on the people getting married, but all of society.

[ February 27, 2004, 08:03 PM: Message edited by: VOL ]

BarryJive · 02-28-2004, 12:15 AM

Bullshit Vol. What the fuck? Did inter racial marriage affect people when it was finally legalized in the 1960's? Did the world go to hell after that? Hardly. Do you think twice about what was so taboo back in the 60's? I think not.I would be happy if my kids grew up in a country open minded enough to look through things they don;t uunderstand and don't automatically hate it because it is different. What the fuck kind of question is that?

Quote:

Originally posted by VOL:
How would you feel if your kids grew up in a world where it was okay for gays and lesbians to marry?

You obviously know my postition on this subject so what's the point in even asking?

Jake · 02-28-2004, 02:09 AM

Just for consideration..... I personally do not see why gay marriage is such a huge deal. For starters conservatives claim that gay marriage will affect the sanctity of marriage.... I ask how? Will gay marriage start to affect your own marriage? Will suddenly the divorce rate go up? Will suddenly a wave of current heterosexuals couples break up and form new homosexual relationships? So i ask why does it matter if homosexuals get married if its not goin to affect you?
Second, conservatives believe that gay marriage is against the bibles teachings, and that marriage should only exist under the context of god... that maybe true and im not denying that, but what i dont understand is how christian conservatives can allow people of other religions, such as buddhism, islam, or atheists to get married but not gays? It seems ironic that the government which stands for the sanctity of marriage will allow atheists, who dont even believe in a god, to get married. The Sanctity of marriage should be left to individual churches. If Sacred Hart Catholic church doesnt want to marry to men that fine with me.. I dont believe that church should ever have to marry two people that their relgion says is wrong. However the government should not prevent gays from marrying because of the sactity issue. What conservatives need to learn, is that not everyone in america is christian and holds their same beliefs. It may be true that the majority rules in america, however america is also based up minority rights also.
Third, what pisses me off the most is the conservatives can even say they believe in the sanctity of marriage as a basis for a constitutional amendment. Have they not read the first amendment of the constitution in the bill of rights?.."THE CONGRESS SHALL MAKE NO LAW RESPECTING AN ESTABLISMENT OF RELIGION"!!!!! Therefore the sanctity of marriage should not even be a topic of discussion in this debate.
Next, this issue isnt about homosexuals trying to spirtualize their marriage in an attempt to convince everyone that homosexuality is an acceptable christian practice. This issue is about equal rights. As everyone knows the government grants numerous rights to married couples. Why is it that Britney Spears can go to Las Vegas, marry her friend, and be given more legal rights than a gay couple who has been together for 30 years. Gays deserve equal rights under the law NOW! Civil Unions are unacceptable, as the supreme court has ruled before in the black civil rights movement, SEPERATE BUT EQUAL IS NOT EQUAL! Therefore anything less than marriage designates gay couple as second class citizens. Finally, what really pisses me off about George Bush is when i see him on CNN stating that a marriage between a man and a woman is ideal..... WHAT GIVES DUBYA THE RIGHT TO TELL ME HOW I SHOULD LIVE ME LIFE... I stand by our forefathers when they wrote into the declaration of independance that the "pursuit of happiness is an inalienable right", Let me live my life equally in the eyes of the law and keep the fucking government from regulating marriage.

Saint DH · 02-28-2004, 02:47 AM

Your forefathers would have probably thrown your ass in prison.

AcTivE · 02-28-2004, 04:02 AM

Sanctity of marriage will not effect me.

sanc·ti·ty -

1)Holiness of life or disposition; saintliness.
2)The quality or condition of being considered sacred; inviolability.
3)Something considered sacred.

As far as I am considered, marriage is not a religion. Approaching it from a religious aspect to say that 'gay' marriage is OK because of the 1st Amendment is bullshit.

If you want to approach it from there, I should be able to get married to animals. Lots of people have life long relationships with their birds...(I watch discovery channel every once in a while) Who is to stop them from marrying their bird?

It fits just as well as a penis does in an asshole. Don't you think?

Jake · 02-28-2004, 04:39 AM

You find me a bird that can effectively, and sentiently communicate its consent to be in a marriage with you and ill be all for it.......

AcTivE · 02-28-2004, 04:47 AM

They can say 'I do' what more do you need than that?

Are you going to illegalize gay marriages for retards?

Maybe it's all the same thing...

Mr. Blonde · 02-28-2004, 04:56 AM

Active, we prefer the term "Mentally Handicapped" or "Special"

AcTivE · 02-28-2004, 05:25 AM

Maybe you also prefer to put it in the 'asshole' instead of the 'vagina'?

[ February 28, 2004, 02:25 AM: Message edited by: AcTivE ]

Fruitacious B · 02-28-2004, 05:26 AM

Gay marriages should be legal, no questions asked. Anything less is a violation of their rights. I've read every post in here, and almost every post by either Dirty Harry or VOL is wrong. Plain and Simple. Fuck you both for your conservative, suburban hardass kid views of homosexuality.

Dirty, Active, and anyone else that opposes gay marriage by the "floodgates" argument. There is no way that any "floodgates" will open because of gay marriages. Unless of course you count your own personal attachments to animals or inanimate objects, fuckers.

AcTivE · 02-28-2004, 05:33 AM

gay man ^

Fruitacious B · 02-28-2004, 05:38 AM

insecure man ^

AcTivE · 02-28-2004, 05:43 AM

Think about raising a kid. They get to fifth grade or so, and you need to tell them about sex, if you haven't already done so.

Say you are conservative, and go with the idea of sex only w/marriage.

How do you you explain gay marriages?

Would that place an idea of approaching one's own sex for a relationship? I'd think so...the idea is there. You told them yourself.

If that's what gets you off fine, but don't corrupt my kids. That is what America is about.

Why isn't pot legal? It's a gateway drug. Yes, there are a lot of supporting arugments for it.

My stance is that it isn't harmful. But it is, it leads to other stuff. This is no different, why stop at 'people'? Sure it doesn't sound realistic now, but you have grown up in an environment which dictates so.

While you are growing up, and learning about yourself, you are very impressionable. I believe America is the censorship of values that need to be placed in the average person's mind that is most accepted. Want gay Sex marriage? Go to another country and get married. I don't want the idea of 'marriage' to be degraded because of 'rights' people believe they have. Sure they have them, but not here.

It will not benefit socitey as a whole in America. Am I wrong? No, I'm not. Look at the percentages. There is no need for corruption when it can be avoided.

AcTivE · 02-28-2004, 05:44 AM

Man that does not want a penis in his asshole ^ or a penis in the asshole of his children.

Fruitacious B · 02-28-2004, 05:54 AM

Daddy, what's corruption?

Super Nintendo · 02-28-2004, 05:59 AM

Hmmm...the only light I can shed on this issue after long thought is this.

It has to do with the "choice" or "not a choice" debate.

God says in the Bible that sodomy (gay sex, etc...) is wrong. Period. So saying that someone is "born" to do something that is morally wrong according to God is false. That would be like if the Bible said it's wrong to be either white or black (or whatever).
People aren't born with a habit that includes sin. Sin is a choice.

Ok...I'm done...commence the whipping and flogging.

AcTivE · 02-28-2004, 06:02 AM

dictionary.com

3. The act of corrupting or of impairing integrity, virtue, or moral principle; the state of being corrupted or debased; loss of purity or integrity; depravity; wickedness; impurity; bribery.

As a whole, I'd summarize corruption as the degrading of values of population as a 'whole'.

Have I mis-interpreted? Please, tell me why.

Corruption is definted by a culture. Would you agree. If not, why? If so, then would you agree my point is valid--if not, why?

I'm living with the values I have because I have grown up with them. I am not going to deny it. However, as a result, it has given me the inclination to support those values. When I see that it can degrade--and effect my offspring (which is the most valuable asset any human being can produce, in my opinion) it brings strong concern.

As it does for many others sharing my viewpoint. In one way or another resulting in their conclusion.

In summary, corruption is defined by what a culture deems it as. What I have grown up in says it is so, and therefore I am accepting it--in part because I can see the consequences of such an action.

Fruitacious B · 02-28-2004, 06:22 AM

So let's just say you marry a crackwhore. You stay married, your wife is faithful, but she still looks like a crackwhore, and it's very obvious you married a crackwhore. Your kids ask you about marriage. Then they question you about how you and their mother met. How could you explain that to them? Just because you're married to a woman doesn't mean that she is automatically any less corrupt than a gay man or woman.

Oh yeah, Super Nintendo, using "the bible says so" wouldn't hold up in the whole realm of the political conversation, because there's still the freedom of religion champ. Imposing christian beliefs on a "free" society would be a direct contradiction of the Constitution that we're trying to follow and uphold.

AcTivE · 02-28-2004, 06:29 AM

Come up with some statistics on crackwhore voter turnout, and that will mean something to me.

I'm not going to marry a crackwhore, because that is not apart of my what I value as a good relationship--nor is it of most Americans. I don't believe it is apart of yours either, because it seems to be an example of the extremes.

Just as would be the example of serial murderers. Serial murderers like killing, I'm sure many of them believe it to be an essence of their lifestyle.

Extreme? Yes, it is, only because culture has said so. Do a little reading about Libya (the country, I believe it is...)

It is no different. The values of a country effect all the citizens.

Just becuase you are a serial murderer doesn't mean that you are automatically any less than any man or women--unless you are told that it is unacceptable.

Fruitacious B · 02-28-2004, 06:34 AM

Don't go talking about what could or couldn't be percieved as a good relationship. What ever happened to the "floodgates" and the beastiality and/or pedophile marriages?

Super Nintendo · 02-28-2004, 06:39 AM

Eh, never said otherwise...I totally agree with you. But in America, when you do something that offends a large group of people (or small) and they make a big deal out of it, then it DOES effect politics, like it or not, be it religious motivated or not.

And my previous post is what I think a lot of these people stand beside.

AcTivE · 02-28-2004, 06:39 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Fruitacious B:
Don't go talking about what could or couldn't be percieved as a good relationship. What ever happened to the "floodgates" and the beastiality and/or pedophile marriages?

1) Don't tell me what to do.

2) Perspective, and society. Values of a society will effect what will happen on an impressionable youth.

Your own statement confirms it. Who am I to say that a woman who loves a bird is not a 'good' relationship?

[ February 28, 2004, 03:40 AM: Message edited by: AcTivE ]

StabMaster Arson · 02-28-2004, 06:43 AM

I have a hard time understanding why people are so against the idea of gay people being able to marry... what the fuck does it matter to you?

My old boss has been in a monogamous relationship with another man for over seven years, wears a ring, and shares everything with his husband. Why the fuck should it be anybody else's business? If they are happy and not hurting anyone else, keep the fuck out of it.

The whole 'marrying animals' argument holds no water... so why are you really scared to let people marry within their sex?

Fruitacious B · 02-28-2004, 06:47 AM

Super Nintendo-

It doesn't matter if a shitload of people bust out their bibles for this. The second that becomes an argument, it's inconstitutional, plain and simple. That is, unless of course you can present a religous argument that can go without offending a single religion.....you can't do that, so don't try. Religion absolutely cannot be an excuse to ammend the constitution on a topic like gay marriage, it just can't. Therefore, even if what you said does in fact stand for a lot of people, you better hope it's a hell of a lot of people. Or at least a high enough percentage of people to possibly change the first amendment before putting in this proposed new amendment. After you do that, it should not be a problem to justifiably apply the amendment.

[ February 28, 2004, 03:50 AM: Message edited by: Fruitacious B ]

02-27-2004, 01:29 AM	#76 (permalink)
AcTivE 1 thing leads to another. Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 2,012 Internets: -2654	i'd have to say--the site sucks. (in my personal opinion) that is off topic though.
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02-27-2004, 11:02 PM	#77 (permalink)
VOL Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: there Posts: 2,305 Internets: -205	It is off the topic. Back to the topic. BarrryJive, murder, of course, does affect people. Gay marriage will affect people. It will affect the very fabric of society. How would you feel if your kids grew up in a world where it was okay for gays and lesbians to marry? It shouldn't be accepted. It WILL have an affect. Not just on the people getting married, but all of society. [ February 27, 2004, 08:03 PM: Message edited by: VOL ]
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02-28-2004, 04:02 AM	#81 (permalink)
AcTivE 1 thing leads to another. Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 2,012 Internets: -2654	Sanctity of marriage will not effect me. sanc·ti·ty - 1)Holiness of life or disposition; saintliness. 2)The quality or condition of being considered sacred; inviolability. 3)Something considered sacred. As far as I am considered, marriage is not a religion. Approaching it from a religious aspect to say that 'gay' marriage is OK because of the 1st Amendment is bullshit. If you want to approach it from there, I should be able to get married to animals. Lots of people have life long relationships with their birds...(I watch discovery channel every once in a while) Who is to stop them from marrying their bird? It fits just as well as a penis does in an asshole. Don't you think?
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02-28-2004, 04:47 AM	#83 (permalink)
AcTivE 1 thing leads to another. Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 2,012 Internets: -2654	They can say 'I do' what more do you need than that? Are you going to illegalize gay marriages for retards? Maybe it's all the same thing...
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02-28-2004, 04:56 AM	#84 (permalink)
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02-28-2004, 02:09 AM	#79 (permalink)
Jake Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 148 Internets: 10	Just for consideration..... I personally do not see why gay marriage is such a huge deal. For starters conservatives claim that gay marriage will affect the sanctity of marriage.... I ask how? Will gay marriage start to affect your own marriage? Will suddenly the divorce rate go up? Will suddenly a wave of current heterosexuals couples break up and form new homosexual relationships? So i ask why does it matter if homosexuals get married if its not goin to affect you? Second, conservatives believe that gay marriage is against the bibles teachings, and that marriage should only exist under the context of god... that maybe true and im not denying that, but what i dont understand is how christian conservatives can allow people of other religions, such as buddhism, islam, or atheists to get married but not gays? It seems ironic that the government which stands for the sanctity of marriage will allow atheists, who dont even believe in a god, to get married. The Sanctity of marriage should be left to individual churches. If Sacred Hart Catholic church doesnt want to marry to men that fine with me.. I dont believe that church should ever have to marry two people that their relgion says is wrong. However the government should not prevent gays from marrying because of the sactity issue. What conservatives need to learn, is that not everyone in america is christian and holds their same beliefs. It may be true that the majority rules in america, however america is also based up minority rights also. Third, what pisses me off the most is the conservatives can even say they believe in the sanctity of marriage as a basis for a constitutional amendment. Have they not read the first amendment of the constitution in the bill of rights?.."THE CONGRESS SHALL MAKE NO LAW RESPECTING AN ESTABLISMENT OF RELIGION"!!!!! Therefore the sanctity of marriage should not even be a topic of discussion in this debate. Next, this issue isnt about homosexuals trying to spirtualize their marriage in an attempt to convince everyone that homosexuality is an acceptable christian practice. This issue is about equal rights. As everyone knows the government grants numerous rights to married couples. Why is it that Britney Spears can go to Las Vegas, marry her friend, and be given more legal rights than a gay couple who has been together for 30 years. Gays deserve equal rights under the law NOW! Civil Unions are unacceptable, as the supreme court has ruled before in the black civil rights movement, SEPERATE BUT EQUAL IS NOT EQUAL! Therefore anything less than marriage designates gay couple as second class citizens. Finally, what really pisses me off about George Bush is when i see him on CNN stating that a marriage between a man and a woman is ideal..... WHAT GIVES DUBYA THE RIGHT TO TELL ME HOW I SHOULD LIVE ME LIFE... I stand by our forefathers when they wrote into the declaration of independance that the "pursuit of happiness is an inalienable right", Let me live my life equally in the eyes of the law and keep the fucking government from regulating marriage.

02-28-2004, 02:47 AM	#80 (permalink)
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02-28-2004, 04:39 AM	#82 (permalink)
Jake Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 148 Internets: 10	You find me a bird that can effectively, and sentiently communicate its consent to be in a marriage with you and ill be all for it.......

02-28-2004, 05:25 AM	#85 (permalink)
AcTivE 1 thing leads to another. Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 2,012 Internets: -2654	Maybe you also prefer to put it in the 'asshole' instead of the 'vagina'? [ February 28, 2004, 02:25 AM: Message edited by: AcTivE ]
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02-28-2004, 05:26 AM	#86 (permalink)
Fruitacious B Bokononist Join Date: May 2003 Location: Indianapolis Posts: 2,595 Internets: 11801	Gay marriages should be legal, no questions asked. Anything less is a violation of their rights. I've read every post in here, and almost every post by either Dirty Harry or VOL is wrong. Plain and Simple. Fuck you both for your conservative, suburban hardass kid views of homosexuality. Dirty, Active, and anyone else that opposes gay marriage by the "floodgates" argument. There is no way that any "floodgates" will open because of gay marriages. Unless of course you count your own personal attachments to animals or inanimate objects, fuckers.
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02-28-2004, 05:33 AM	#87 (permalink)
AcTivE 1 thing leads to another. Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 2,012 Internets: -2654	gay man ^
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02-28-2004, 05:38 AM	#88 (permalink)
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02-28-2004, 05:43 AM	#89 (permalink)
AcTivE 1 thing leads to another. Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 2,012 Internets: -2654	Think about raising a kid. They get to fifth grade or so, and you need to tell them about sex, if you haven't already done so. Say you are conservative, and go with the idea of sex only w/marriage. How do you you explain gay marriages? Would that place an idea of approaching one's own sex for a relationship? I'd think so...the idea is there. You told them yourself. If that's what gets you off fine, but don't corrupt my kids. That is what America is about. Why isn't pot legal? It's a gateway drug. Yes, there are a lot of supporting arugments for it. My stance is that it isn't harmful. But it is, it leads to other stuff. This is no different, why stop at 'people'? Sure it doesn't sound realistic now, but you have grown up in an environment which dictates so. While you are growing up, and learning about yourself, you are very impressionable. I believe America is the censorship of values that need to be placed in the average person's mind that is most accepted. Want gay Sex marriage? Go to another country and get married. I don't want the idea of 'marriage' to be degraded because of 'rights' people believe they have. Sure they have them, but not here. It will not benefit socitey as a whole in America. Am I wrong? No, I'm not. Look at the percentages. There is no need for corruption when it can be avoided.
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02-28-2004, 05:44 AM	#90 (permalink)
AcTivE 1 thing leads to another. Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 2,012 Internets: -2654	Man that does not want a penis in his asshole ^ or a penis in the asshole of his children.
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02-28-2004, 05:54 AM	#91 (permalink)
Fruitacious B Bokononist Join Date: May 2003 Location: Indianapolis Posts: 2,595 Internets: 11801	Daddy, what's corruption?
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02-28-2004, 05:59 AM	#92 (permalink)
Super Nintendo Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Elkhart/Bloomington Posts: 200 Internets: 10	Hmmm...the only light I can shed on this issue after long thought is this. It has to do with the "choice" or "not a choice" debate. God says in the Bible that sodomy (gay sex, etc...) is wrong. Period. So saying that someone is "born" to do something that is morally wrong according to God is false. That would be like if the Bible said it's wrong to be either white or black (or whatever). People aren't born with a habit that includes sin. Sin is a choice. Ok...I'm done...commence the whipping and flogging.

02-28-2004, 06:02 AM	#93 (permalink)
AcTivE 1 thing leads to another. Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 2,012 Internets: -2654	dictionary.com 3. The act of corrupting or of impairing integrity, virtue, or moral principle; the state of being corrupted or debased; loss of purity or integrity; depravity; wickedness; impurity; bribery. As a whole, I'd summarize corruption as the degrading of values of population as a 'whole'. Have I mis-interpreted? Please, tell me why. Corruption is definted by a culture. Would you agree. If not, why? If so, then would you agree my point is valid--if not, why? I'm living with the values I have because I have grown up with them. I am not going to deny it. However, as a result, it has given me the inclination to support those values. When I see that it can degrade--and effect my offspring (which is the most valuable asset any human being can produce, in my opinion) it brings strong concern. As it does for many others sharing my viewpoint. In one way or another resulting in their conclusion. In summary, corruption is defined by what a culture deems it as. What I have grown up in says it is so, and therefore I am accepting it--in part because I can see the consequences of such an action.
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02-28-2004, 06:22 AM	#94 (permalink)
Fruitacious B Bokononist Join Date: May 2003 Location: Indianapolis Posts: 2,595 Internets: 11801	So let's just say you marry a crackwhore. You stay married, your wife is faithful, but she still looks like a crackwhore, and it's very obvious you married a crackwhore. Your kids ask you about marriage. Then they question you about how you and their mother met. How could you explain that to them? Just because you're married to a woman doesn't mean that she is automatically any less corrupt than a gay man or woman. Oh yeah, Super Nintendo, using "the bible says so" wouldn't hold up in the whole realm of the political conversation, because there's still the freedom of religion champ. Imposing christian beliefs on a "free" society would be a direct contradiction of the Constitution that we're trying to follow and uphold.
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02-28-2004, 06:29 AM	#95 (permalink)
AcTivE 1 thing leads to another. Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 2,012 Internets: -2654	Come up with some statistics on crackwhore voter turnout, and that will mean something to me. I'm not going to marry a crackwhore, because that is not apart of my what I value as a good relationship--nor is it of most Americans. I don't believe it is apart of yours either, because it seems to be an example of the extremes. Just as would be the example of serial murderers. Serial murderers like killing, I'm sure many of them believe it to be an essence of their lifestyle. Extreme? Yes, it is, only because culture has said so. Do a little reading about Libya (the country, I believe it is...) It is no different. The values of a country effect all the citizens. Just becuase you are a serial murderer doesn't mean that you are automatically any less than any man or women--unless you are told that it is unacceptable.
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02-28-2004, 06:34 AM	#96 (permalink)
Fruitacious B Bokononist Join Date: May 2003 Location: Indianapolis Posts: 2,595 Internets: 11801	Don't go talking about what could or couldn't be percieved as a good relationship. What ever happened to the "floodgates" and the beastiality and/or pedophile marriages?
	"Those who believe in telekinetics, raise my hand." \|vonnegut

02-28-2004, 06:39 AM	#97 (permalink)
Super Nintendo Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Elkhart/Bloomington Posts: 200 Internets: 10	Eh, never said otherwise...I totally agree with you. But in America, when you do something that offends a large group of people (or small) and they make a big deal out of it, then it DOES effect politics, like it or not, be it religious motivated or not. And my previous post is what I think a lot of these people stand beside.

02-28-2004, 06:43 AM	#99 (permalink)
StabMaster Arson Roscoe P. Coldchain Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Stabbin Cabin Posts: 2,759 Internets: 1425	I have a hard time understanding why people are so against the idea of gay people being able to marry... what the fuck does it matter to you? My old boss has been in a monogamous relationship with another man for over seven years, wears a ring, and shares everything with his husband. Why the fuck should it be anybody else's business? If they are happy and not hurting anyone else, keep the fuck out of it. The whole 'marrying animals' argument holds no water... so why are you really scared to let people marry within their sex?
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02-28-2004, 06:47 AM	#100 (permalink)
Fruitacious B Bokononist Join Date: May 2003 Location: Indianapolis Posts: 2,595 Internets: 11801	Super Nintendo- It doesn't matter if a shitload of people bust out their bibles for this. The second that becomes an argument, it's inconstitutional, plain and simple. That is, unless of course you can present a religous argument that can go without offending a single religion.....you can't do that, so don't try. Religion absolutely cannot be an excuse to ammend the constitution on a topic like gay marriage, it just can't. Therefore, even if what you said does in fact stand for a lot of people, you better hope it's a hell of a lot of people. Or at least a high enough percentage of people to possibly change the first amendment before putting in this proposed new amendment. After you do that, it should not be a problem to justifiably apply the amendment. [ February 28, 2004, 03:50 AM: Message edited by: Fruitacious B ]
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