America's Righteous Fight Against the Use of Stem Cells - Nubblies.net Forums

tonguegina · 11-30-2004, 05:53 PM

Now, I know a lot of people on this site are Bush supporters, and that's fine. I don't really care. I am not, but that's beside the point. One of the reasons I don't like him is how hardcore of a fighter he is against the use of stem cells. A lot of doctors believe that stem cells can hold the key to fixing things from paralysis to blindness to cancer.

Last week, President Bush tried to convince the United Nations to try to create a global ban of the use and testing of stem cells. It didn't seem as though a global ban of this nature would ever pass. Now I'm sure it won't.

This weekend it was reported that a paralized woman of 19 years is now walking on her own thanks to the use of stem cells. I really hope that this helps some skeptics to see how important this can be in helping people.

ninjaface · 11-30-2004, 07:18 PM

This story is almost exactly the same as something that I saw on PBS about 4 or 5 years ago. This whole procedure was done on a rat that had spinal cord damage. After they did it, the rat regained use of it's hind legs.

It's too bad that the South Koreans are the only ones that have the balls to do this type of thing. They even used stem cells from an umbilical cord. So "Sanctity of Life" doesn't even enter into it.

tonguegina · 11-30-2004, 07:54 PM

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Originally posted by ninjaface:
They even used stem cells from an umbilical cord. So "Sanctity of Life" doesn't even enter into it.

Indeed. I'm not sure about the details on the use of the umbilical cord stem cells, but I do know that the blood in the umbilical cord has been used on leukemia patients and remember hearing stories about people freezing umbilical cords after giving birth (much like sperm and eggs are frozen) for this purpose.

Ugly Bastard · 12-03-2004, 04:29 AM

I'm pretty indifferent on this whole issue myself. But as I see it, there are two sides, the conservatives who want nothing to do with it, and the liberals who want to jump in head first.

How about we meet in the middle and...oh...I don't know...take the stem cells from the discarded abilical cords (as tongue said they're doing in the first post)?

That seems like a perfect meeting ground to me.

-Ugly Bastard

Zanny · 01-02-2005, 04:02 PM

I think that the use of stem cells should be fuly explored, and will be if not know in the future. The US is so conservative when it comes to these kinds of things. Personally i feel that they should explorewith genetics and stem cells and other things because its only going to lead to good things. Yet if we try to stop it because of whatever reason which are mostly religious is you ask me we are denying ourselves very valuable tools for helping mankind.

01-02-2005, 05:31 PM

I agree with Bush on a majority of issues, but the stem-cell thing just seems a bit of a stretch.

It's no new issue, rather a reoccuring phenomina for new medicines and technologies to be feared and discouraged by the masses as imoral.

I think the problem with the stem-cell (and somehow related abortion issues) is the over-analyzing nature of the far right. These so-called Bible Thumpers interpret religeous text with so much ferver that they often get into a mindset where they see themselves as guardians or protectors of society. Instead of a free society where men are allowed to sin, but encouraged not to; the far right would rather have a domineering state where sin is impossible.

Please give up this dream.

To be fair (or rather to not sound like a dirty liberal), the left wants the same thing; only their total domineering state would prevent social injustices.

Dear George W. Bush,
Please stop being so ardent on social issues and stick to old fassion concervative monetary and foreign policies.

Sincerely,
DJ FC

01-02-2005, 05:31 PM	#6 (permalink)
DJ FC Guest Posts: n/a	I agree with Bush on a majority of issues, but the stem-cell thing just seems a bit of a stretch. It's no new issue, rather a reoccuring phenomina for new medicines and technologies to be feared and discouraged by the masses as imoral. I think the problem with the stem-cell (and somehow related abortion issues) is the over-analyzing nature of the far right. These so-called Bible Thumpers interpret religeous text with so much ferver that they often get into a mindset where they see themselves as guardians or protectors of society. Instead of a free society where men are allowed to sin, but encouraged not to; the far right would rather have a domineering state where sin is impossible. Please give up this dream. To be fair (or rather to not sound like a dirty liberal), the left wants the same thing; only their total domineering state would prevent social injustices. Dear George W. Bush, Please stop being so ardent on social issues and stick to old fassion concervative monetary and foreign policies. Sincerely, DJ FC
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11-30-2004, 05:53 PM	#1 (permalink)
tonguegina I like dirt. Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Indianapolis Posts: 2,861 Internets: 2790	Now, I know a lot of people on this site are Bush supporters, and that's fine. I don't really care. I am not, but that's beside the point. One of the reasons I don't like him is how hardcore of a fighter he is against the use of stem cells. A lot of doctors believe that stem cells can hold the key to fixing things from paralysis to blindness to cancer. Last week, President Bush tried to convince the United Nations to try to create a global ban of the use and testing of stem cells. It didn't seem as though a global ban of this nature would ever pass. Now I'm sure it won't. This weekend it was reported that a paralized woman of 19 years is now walking on her own thanks to the use of stem cells. I really hope that this helps some skeptics to see how important this can be in helping people.

11-30-2004, 07:18 PM	#2 (permalink)
ninjaface Level 20 Holothetan Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Space Posts: 5,245 Internets: 210144	This story is almost exactly the same as something that I saw on PBS about 4 or 5 years ago. This whole procedure was done on a rat that had spinal cord damage. After they did it, the rat regained use of it's hind legs. It's too bad that the South Koreans are the only ones that have the balls to do this type of thing. They even used stem cells from an umbilical cord. So "Sanctity of Life" doesn't even enter into it.

12-03-2004, 04:29 AM	#4 (permalink)
Ugly Bastard Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: U.S.A. Posts: 13,643 Internets: 247330	I'm pretty indifferent on this whole issue myself. But as I see it, there are two sides, the conservatives who want nothing to do with it, and the liberals who want to jump in head first. How about we meet in the middle and...oh...I don't know...take the stem cells from the discarded abilical cords (as tongue said they're doing in the first post)? That seems like a perfect meeting ground to me. -Ugly Bastard

01-02-2005, 04:02 PM	#5 (permalink)
Zanny Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 12 Internets: 10	I think that the use of stem cells should be fuly explored, and will be if not know in the future. The US is so conservative when it comes to these kinds of things. Personally i feel that they should explorewith genetics and stem cells and other things because its only going to lead to good things. Yet if we try to stop it because of whatever reason which are mostly religious is you ask me we are denying ourselves very valuable tools for helping mankind.