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Whether it's a large portion or not, it doesn't matter. The principle still stands. It's pretty funny that god is going to judge those who have never heard of Jesus Christ to decide where they should go, but everyone who questions the unkown and realizes that they don't know what is universally true must go to hell. You're trying to say that just because you know that Jesus Christ existed, you should automatically accept him as your saviour else you are not saved. Now, if that's true, why did god give us free will and the ability to figure things out for ourselves? There will be a perfectly large amount of amazingly wonderful human creations that don't know Jesus Christ that will be sent to hell? That's really sad and ridiculous no matter what religious stand point you look at it from. See, when I say things like this, I'm providing compassion and reason, all you're providing is a rule that's been passed down to you (you must accept Jesus Christ). Why? (because he is our saviour). How do you know this is true? (because it is written). How do you know the writing is true? (because it says it is, and so do others who are like me).
To say that just because people have heard of him, they should automatically accept him as their saviour tells me you really don't know shit about fuck concerning other cultures. Have you ever even been to another country? 95% of the population in Sweden doesn't even practice a poly or monotheistic religion. Personally, I can't sit here and say that Jesus Christ is Lord and he is my Saviour, I've never met the guy. Oh, that's right, we're supposed to have faith. Now, remind me again why I should have faith stemming from the Bible, instead of the Koran or the Torah or the Bhagavad Gita... Oh yes, because I live in a predominately Christian society, that's an excellent reason. I keep forgetting that the United States is the only nation that thinks 100% correctly about everything.
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I have accepted Jesus Christ as my saviour however I don't cal myself christian or catholic. I have no demonination, for me the soul thing that matters is my relationship with god. I will never be good enough for god and people have to accept that. I used to raise many questions you did as much as 3 months ago. The one thing I've learned from all of this:
They'll never be answered
You said it yourself, you have to have faith. God hopes that you question him, he likes to shake things up to make you question your faith. You'll never have every question answered and believe me there are 1,000s to raise. It all comes down to your relationship with Jesus Christ.
My two main arguements were always "what's to say this religion is better than the other" but that's why I'm non-demoninational. All religions goal is to someday recide in eternal life or reincarnation or some sort of after life. They have different ways of doing it and going about it however I think all of that is bullshit. If you believe in god, and you read his word there is nothing more that matters than your relationship with him.
My other main arguement was that I couldn't fathom how someone could rape 25 people on earth and then go to prison, accept jesus christ and there truly saved, they go to heaven. Then you have someone who lived a minor sinful life with few major sins and was a good guy, donated to charity, ext. He goes to hell simply because he never accepts jesus christ. I think that's a load of shit however that's where if your catholic, purgatory comes into play, I don't believe in catholicism however I believe in purgatory. I think that purgatory exists and it would solve a lot of problems such as your debate saying people that never were exposed to god go to hell, however purgatory would take care of that.
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Probably the wrong thing to do? Is he going to shower me with quotes from the Bible? Guess what, it doesn't matter (not just because the Bible doesn't hold all possible ideas, questions and answers) but because I wasn't questioning his knowledge of Christianity. By the way, challenging knowledge (as well as concepts or ideas) is how we come up with new ideas in the first place, it's exactly the right thing to do if you want to make any progress. But as I said, I wasn't challenging his knowledge of Christianity, I know he knows more than me. I was challenging his rational, which was sparse.
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I'll give you a formal apology here,
challenging was probably not the best word choice. I guess what I was trying to get at was that attacking him because of his beliefs bothered me. And telling him he's thinking in a "tiny box" bothered me as well. If you know BrassMonkee's he's a devoted christian however he is very liberal which I respect. Conservative Christians drive me up the fucking wall but liberal christians I can relate with.
I reiterated with a "tiny box" because your thinking so broadly I consider that as if to think in a "box". You can ask 10,000 questions but they may never be answerted, when it comes down to it, it's about faith. If you have faith in christ then you will go to heaven, if you don't, then you might venture to purgatory. That's the way I see it, and that's what I believe.
[ September 18, 2003, 07:03 PM: Message edited by: BigDongedHoe ]