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Osiris · 09-25-2003, 05:27 PM

Wow. I didn't think this topic would get such a response.

I'm just not seeing a strong enough arguement for why marijuana is that bad.

ProfessorNumber · 09-25-2003, 07:13 PM

Schroeder, since I know you are still reading this post, let me address your propaganda statement.

When the government does propaganda, they go alll out. Take for instance Reefer Madness, a video that came out in 1938. It is the epitome of government drug propaganda. It makes erroneus claims that the government KNEW full well were false. But, by using scare tactics and it's obviously immense influence, the government convinced many people that marijuana was an immediate and deadly threat to society.

Now, lets look at modern drug propaganda.

Commerical #1. You see some teenage boy cutting open 4 cigarettes and rolling the tobacco into a joint. Then a narrator comes on saying something to the effect of, "Marijuana contains 4x the amount of harmful chemicals that cigarettes do." What's wrong with this statement? Simple. Nowhere do they specify the amount of marijuana that they consider a "joint". It could be from 1-3 grams, the latter being a good sized joint. Not only that, but cigarette smokers smoke more than 4 cigarettes per day. Many smoke an entire pack (20 cigarettes). However, not many people smoke 5 joints per day, every day.

Commerical #2. You see some black kid putting flowers on a memorial for his dead brother. Then you see text at the bottom of the screen saying, "Two years ago his kid brother was killed by a driver under the influence... Of marijuana. He was that driver. 1 in 3 drivers tested for marijuana in crashes tested positive." It's truly pathetic when these commercials have to resort to falsified scare tactics. But, what really irritates me is the fact that they don't say how many drivers are tested for marijuana after a crash. I mean by this, suppose only those people who look suspicious are tested. That would probably reduce the statistic quite a bit. Not only that, but what if the driver smoked marijuana the week before the crash and it was still in his system? Was he high when he crashed? NOPE. Once again, this changes that statistic. Also, they fail to mention how many accidents are caused by high drivers.

And, I can't forget those stupid commericials where the friend shoots his other friend after smoking out of a wussy pink bong. How many times has this happened? 0 times. That's right Schroeder, NO ONE HAS EVER SHOT THEIR FRIEND AFTER SMOKING MARIJUANA. Now I forget, what do you call something that presents false information in order to scare/convince someone into not doing something? OHHH yeah, propaganda.

I'm not going to deny that pro-marijuana propaganda exists. But, even government sites will corroborate with what has been said in this thread.

[ September 25, 2003, 05:13 PM: Message edited by: ProfessorNumber ]

silver and cold · 09-25-2003, 09:14 PM

Here, is a point I've heard from a classmate..
God made the earth,
The earth is good,
Marijuana grows from the earth,
Therefore God created marijuana,
So if he made it,
It cant be that bad?

Its a stoner point of view, but it should start some contreversy.(sp?)

Niger Angelus · 09-25-2003, 09:23 PM

Yeah, sure will...

ProfessorNumber · 09-25-2003, 09:38 PM

Everything man has was produced with things from the earth. That logic doesn't make sense.

i.e. god made uranium, which was used to make the first atomic bomb, therefore, atomic bombs are good. Lets all go buy one and have a big atomic bomb party.

Titan · 09-25-2003, 10:32 PM

If I'm not mistaken, and I'm not, the primary definition of "marijuana" is "the cannabis plant". So, didn't got invent the cannabis plant? As far as I know, we humans didn't. So, the only question left to ask is, "Was everything that god created good?". If so, then the cannabis plant is good.

Oh, and the grammar faerie says: When you use the word "earth" when talking about the planet, it needs to be capitalized because it's a title. You're welcome.

[ September 25, 2003, 08:33 PM: Message edited by: Titan ]

ProfessorNumber · 09-25-2003, 10:36 PM

Why thank you kind grammar fairy. I realize the error in my ways and will do all I can to change.

Titan · 09-25-2003, 10:38 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ProfessorNumber:
I will do all I can to change.

I'm not going to lie to you, you could use it.

ProfessorNumber · 09-25-2003, 10:44 PM

You're right, oh kind grammar fairy. The truth does hurt sometimes.

long-since-forgotten · 09-26-2003, 12:40 AM

My stoner saying is sorta like Silver and Colds,

God made marijuana (or the "cannabis plant according to Titan)
Man made alcohol.
Who are you going to trust?

In a way pot does have a negative effect, my short term memory has started to go down the drain since I've first toked up. Oh well, shit happens.

StabMaster Arson · 09-26-2003, 01:35 AM

There's really no need to theorize about where marijuana comes from to decide if it's beneficial... there are plenty of facts to support that.

America has a rich history with marijuana.

During the 1760's in the American colonies, you could be jailed for not growing hemp because it was seen as a main way to become economically independent from Britian.

Hemp was used as legal tender in the Americas from 1630 throught the 1800's.

George Washington and Thomas Jefferson both grew hemp on their plantations... most suspect that they smoked it too.

In 1936, Popular Mechanics magazine hailed the invention of a new machine that removed the fiber from hemp, and predicted that hemp would, once again, be the world's largest cash crop.

...so why was hemp outlawed in 1937?

Titan, I kinda suspected that you were a fairy

[ September 25, 2003, 11:36 PM: Message edited by: StabMaster Arson ]

the_butcher · 09-26-2003, 01:47 AM

One other quick fact, not sure where I heard this, but a pipe was found in Shakespeare's house. In it was resin from marijuana. Granted, it was legal then, but fuck. Shakespeare is hailed as one of the greatest playwrights of all time, are you going to stop liking him because he smoked reefer? I don't think so, bitch.

By the way, long-since-forgotten, you all encompassingly ripped that saying off of a zippo at Spencer's. Oh yeh fucker, I've seen it.

Titan · 09-26-2003, 01:59 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by StabMaster Arson:
Titan, I kinda suspected that you were a fairy

The secret's out. Now if you don't mind, I'm going to go bust a nut on Tinkerbell.

Quote:

Originally posted by the_butcher:
a pipe was found in Shakespeare's house. In it was resin from marijuana. Granted, it was legal then, but fuck. Shakespeare is hailed as one of the greatest playwrights of all time

Not only did he smoke reefer, but he wrote love poems to guys.

ProfessorNumber · 09-27-2003, 10:55 PM

VOL · 09-28-2003, 03:20 PM

so.. basically dirty hippies smoke pot and sit underneath trees and sing hippie pot loving songs

long-since-forgotten · 09-28-2003, 04:32 PM

Actually butcher, I ripped it off of one of my friends.
eat shit douche bag.

the_butcher · 09-29-2003, 01:02 AM

So either way you stole it...I see. Bitch, don't start with me...

Quote:

Originally posted by VOL:
so.. basically dirty hippies smoke pot and sit underneath trees and sing hippie pot loving songs

You make this sound so bad...how do you know all hippies are dirty? How many have you met? I personally think all football players are cocksuckers who eat each other's shit. Stereotypes are fun!

Deep Kick · 09-29-2003, 08:47 PM

For the record, Butcher, Hippies are dirty fucks. Nonetheless, I do agree with some of their ideals, which I think is a fair compromise.

Stereotypes do kickass, and you know why? Because their is some truth to them. For instance:

Only wiggers drive old Honda civic hatchbacks. Out of all the honda hatchbacks I've seen, 75% of them were infact wiggers.

Football players are cocksuckers who eat each other's shit.
Yep, another true fact. Almost every football player I've met does infact eat other people's shit.

Black people are thieves.
Check the crime statistics. Per percent of population, they do infact steal more stuff.

Jew's are dirty.
Very true. They are always dirty and skinny in the pictures I see of them.

Disclaimer: above statements might not be true.

the_butcher · 09-30-2003, 01:29 AM

See how much fun we can have with hateful misconceptions? A lot.

silverteioh · 09-30-2003, 01:59 AM

I know this is a little off topic from what is currently going in the thread (stereotypes/misonceptions), but the bit I read on marijuana being the gateway drug gave me something to say.
Marijuana is considered a gateway drug because it is the most commonly used illegal drug. Because it is illegal, whoever you get your pot from generally has connections to other, harder drugs. There are a lot of drugs I would have never taken if I wasn't offered some while buying pot.
If pot was legalized, I'd have no reason to go through a dealer to get it, and wouldn't be exposed to other drugs. I'd honestly be perfectly happy with occasionally buying a pack of Marijuana cigarettes. Marijuana is a non-addictive (physiologically, at least) drug that is harmless not prone to causing violence (like alcohol) or severe addiction (like cigarettes can).

Pliedes · 10-02-2003, 06:53 PM

I heart silverteioh.

Kage · 10-05-2003, 10:30 PM

man they should legalize marijuana because it gets you high and makes you happy, what the fuck, why not. not to mention the stock in twinkies would sky rocket. its just like tobacco plus.. and all that shit about hemp being useful, thats another reason. it would make america fatter, but so what, i like fat people.

morpheus · 10-25-2003, 01:41 PM

HMMMM....WEEEED.....I must say I, my self do enjoy the effects of this plant when smoked in what is it, a maijuana cigarette...lol... ya anyways.... I have been clean for nearly 2 months now.... yes it does suck, but I found my self becoming slower i guess you could say... I do however love the drugs effect it has on me... I probably won't be smoking it again any time soon...however I am all for legalizing it... will it ever happen? Probably not... would I like for it to happen yes and no.... if the government did decide to legalize it... chances are it would be over priced because so many people use this drug...the fact is, it would probably be cheaper to keep it illegal that to legalize... oops did i say fact... I ment to clearly state my opinion...
marijuana, I love it

Alpha · 10-26-2003, 12:34 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by morpheus:
HMMMM....WEEEED.....I must say I, my self do enjoy the effects of this plant when smoked in what is it, a maijuana cigarette...lol... ya anyways.... I have been clean for nearly 2 months now.... yes it does suck, but I found my self becoming slower i guess you could say... I do however love the drugs effect it has on me... I probably won't be smoking it again any time soon...however I am all for legalizing it... will it ever happen? Probably not... would I like for it to happen yes and no.... if the government did decide to legalize it... chances are it would be over priced because so many people use this drug...the fact is, it would probably be cheaper to keep it illegal that to legalize... oops did i say fact... I ment to clearly state my opinion...
marijuana, I love it

After reading this I want to kill you for being not only a stupid fuck on Nubblies. But for just existing in general. Go to hell and take your INGSOC friends with you.

One quick reminder to anyone that reads this to not post here and let this thread die until morpheus brings it back after a coke binge.

[ October 25, 2003, 10:36 PM: Message edited by: Alpha ]

ProfessorNumber · 10-27-2003, 12:22 AM

If Morpheus is in ANY way affiliated with that pile of shit known as Ingsoc, then he has my permission to suffocate on his mom's fat cock.

09-25-2003, 07:13 PM	#27 (permalink)
ProfessorNumber Senior Member Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 1,215 Internets: 3373	Schroeder, since I know you are still reading this post, let me address your propaganda statement. When the government does propaganda, they go alll out. Take for instance Reefer Madness, a video that came out in 1938. It is the epitome of government drug propaganda. It makes erroneus claims that the government KNEW full well were false. But, by using scare tactics and it's obviously immense influence, the government convinced many people that marijuana was an immediate and deadly threat to society. Now, lets look at modern drug propaganda. Commerical #1. You see some teenage boy cutting open 4 cigarettes and rolling the tobacco into a joint. Then a narrator comes on saying something to the effect of, "Marijuana contains 4x the amount of harmful chemicals that cigarettes do." What's wrong with this statement? Simple. Nowhere do they specify the amount of marijuana that they consider a "joint". It could be from 1-3 grams, the latter being a good sized joint. Not only that, but cigarette smokers smoke more than 4 cigarettes per day. Many smoke an entire pack (20 cigarettes). However, not many people smoke 5 joints per day, every day. Commerical #2. You see some black kid putting flowers on a memorial for his dead brother. Then you see text at the bottom of the screen saying, "Two years ago his kid brother was killed by a driver under the influence... Of marijuana. He was that driver. 1 in 3 drivers tested for marijuana in crashes tested positive." It's truly pathetic when these commercials have to resort to falsified scare tactics. But, what really irritates me is the fact that they don't say how many drivers are tested for marijuana after a crash. I mean by this, suppose only those people who look suspicious are tested. That would probably reduce the statistic quite a bit. Not only that, but what if the driver smoked marijuana the week before the crash and it was still in his system? Was he high when he crashed? NOPE. Once again, this changes that statistic. Also, they fail to mention how many accidents are caused by high drivers. And, I can't forget those stupid commericials where the friend shoots his other friend after smoking out of a wussy pink bong. How many times has this happened? 0 times. That's right Schroeder, NO ONE HAS EVER SHOT THEIR FRIEND AFTER SMOKING MARIJUANA. Now I forget, what do you call something that presents false information in order to scare/convince someone into not doing something? OHHH yeah, propaganda. I'm not going to deny that pro-marijuana propaganda exists. But, even government sites will corroborate with what has been said in this thread. [ September 25, 2003, 05:13 PM: Message edited by: ProfessorNumber ]
	Smoke a cigarette and lie some more -- These conversations kill.

09-25-2003, 09:14 PM	#28 (permalink)
silver and cold Ish... Join Date: May 2003 Location: this nowhere Posts: 1,680 Internets: 10	Here, is a point I've heard from a classmate.. God made the earth, The earth is good, Marijuana grows from the earth, Therefore God created marijuana, So if he made it, It cant be that bad? Its a stoner point of view, but it should start some contreversy.(sp?)
	the killer in me is the killer in you.

09-25-2003, 09:23 PM	#29 (permalink)
Niger Angelus We still believe. Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Indiana Posts: 4,697 Internets: 216	Yeah, sure will...
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09-25-2003, 09:38 PM	#30 (permalink)
ProfessorNumber Senior Member Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 1,215 Internets: 3373	Everything man has was produced with things from the earth. That logic doesn't make sense. i.e. god made uranium, which was used to make the first atomic bomb, therefore, atomic bombs are good. Lets all go buy one and have a big atomic bomb party.
	Smoke a cigarette and lie some more -- These conversations kill.

09-25-2003, 10:32 PM	#31 (permalink)
Titan Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 3,698 Internets: 10	If I'm not mistaken, and I'm not, the primary definition of "marijuana" is "the cannabis plant". So, didn't got invent the cannabis plant? As far as I know, we humans didn't. So, the only question left to ask is, "Was everything that god created good?". If so, then the cannabis plant is good. Oh, and the grammar faerie says: When you use the word "earth" when talking about the planet, it needs to be capitalized because it's a title. You're welcome. [ September 25, 2003, 08:33 PM: Message edited by: Titan ]
	I do what the fuck I want.

09-25-2003, 05:27 PM	#26 (permalink)
Osiris Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 205 Internets: 10	Wow. I didn't think this topic would get such a response. I'm just not seeing a strong enough arguement for why marijuana is that bad.

09-25-2003, 10:36 PM	#32 (permalink)
ProfessorNumber Senior Member Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 1,215 Internets: 3373	Why thank you kind grammar fairy. I realize the error in my ways and will do all I can to change.
	Smoke a cigarette and lie some more -- These conversations kill.

09-25-2003, 10:44 PM	#34 (permalink)
ProfessorNumber Senior Member Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 1,215 Internets: 3373	You're right, oh kind grammar fairy. The truth does hurt sometimes.
	Smoke a cigarette and lie some more -- These conversations kill.

09-26-2003, 12:40 AM	#35 (permalink)
long-since-forgotten Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: warsaw,IN Posts: 197 Internets: 10	My stoner saying is sorta like Silver and Colds, God made marijuana (or the "cannabis plant according to Titan) Man made alcohol. Who are you going to trust? In a way pot does have a negative effect, my short term memory has started to go down the drain since I've first toked up. Oh well, shit happens.
	"Dream as if you'll live forever, live as if you'll die today." - James Dean

09-26-2003, 01:35 AM	#36 (permalink)
StabMaster Arson Roscoe P. Coldchain Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Stabbin Cabin Posts: 2,759 Internets: 1425	There's really no need to theorize about where marijuana comes from to decide if it's beneficial... there are plenty of facts to support that. America has a rich history with marijuana. During the 1760's in the American colonies, you could be jailed for not growing hemp because it was seen as a main way to become economically independent from Britian. Hemp was used as legal tender in the Americas from 1630 throught the 1800's. George Washington and Thomas Jefferson both grew hemp on their plantations... most suspect that they smoked it too. In 1936, Popular Mechanics magazine hailed the invention of a new machine that removed the fiber from hemp, and predicted that hemp would, once again, be the world's largest cash crop. ...so why was hemp outlawed in 1937? Titan, I kinda suspected that you were a fairy [ September 25, 2003, 11:36 PM: Message edited by: StabMaster Arson ]
	LEGALIZE CRIME!

09-26-2003, 01:47 AM	#37 (permalink)
the_butcher Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: ::: the recesses of my mind ::: Posts: 1,023 Internets: 10	One other quick fact, not sure where I heard this, but a pipe was found in Shakespeare's house. In it was resin from marijuana. Granted, it was legal then, but fuck. Shakespeare is hailed as one of the greatest playwrights of all time, are you going to stop liking him because he smoked reefer? I don't think so, bitch. By the way, long-since-forgotten, you all encompassingly ripped that saying off of a zippo at Spencer's. Oh yeh fucker, I've seen it.
	\| bite the bullet and swallow lead \|

09-27-2003, 10:55 PM	#39 (permalink)
ProfessorNumber Senior Member Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 1,215 Internets: 3373	So?
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09-28-2003, 03:20 PM	#40 (permalink)
VOL Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: there Posts: 2,305 Internets: -205	so.. basically dirty hippies smoke pot and sit underneath trees and sing hippie pot loving songs
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09-28-2003, 04:32 PM	#41 (permalink)
long-since-forgotten Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: warsaw,IN Posts: 197 Internets: 10	Actually butcher, I ripped it off of one of my friends. eat shit douche bag.
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09-29-2003, 08:47 PM	#43 (permalink)
Deep Kick Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 136 Internets: 10	For the record, Butcher, Hippies are dirty fucks. Nonetheless, I do agree with some of their ideals, which I think is a fair compromise. Stereotypes do kickass, and you know why? Because their is some truth to them. For instance: Only wiggers drive old Honda civic hatchbacks. Out of all the honda hatchbacks I've seen, 75% of them were infact wiggers. Football players are cocksuckers who eat each other's shit. Yep, another true fact. Almost every football player I've met does infact eat other people's shit. Black people are thieves. Check the crime statistics. Per percent of population, they do infact steal more stuff. Jew's are dirty. Very true. They are always dirty and skinny in the pictures I see of them. Disclaimer: above statements might not be true.
	Shut Your Fucking Face.

09-30-2003, 01:29 AM	#44 (permalink)
the_butcher Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: ::: the recesses of my mind ::: Posts: 1,023 Internets: 10	See how much fun we can have with hateful misconceptions? A lot.
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09-30-2003, 01:59 AM	#45 (permalink)
silverteioh Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: fuckin\' Purdue.... Posts: 50 Internets: 10	I know this is a little off topic from what is currently going in the thread (stereotypes/misonceptions), but the bit I read on marijuana being the gateway drug gave me something to say. Marijuana is considered a gateway drug because it is the most commonly used illegal drug. Because it is illegal, whoever you get your pot from generally has connections to other, harder drugs. There are a lot of drugs I would have never taken if I wasn't offered some while buying pot. If pot was legalized, I'd have no reason to go through a dealer to get it, and wouldn't be exposed to other drugs. I'd honestly be perfectly happy with occasionally buying a pack of Marijuana cigarettes. Marijuana is a non-addictive (physiologically, at least) drug that is harmless not prone to causing violence (like alcohol) or severe addiction (like cigarettes can).

10-02-2003, 06:53 PM	#46 (permalink)
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10-05-2003, 10:30 PM	#47 (permalink)
Kage Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: milan, michigan Posts: 24 Internets: 10	man they should legalize marijuana because it gets you high and makes you happy, what the fuck, why not. not to mention the stock in twinkies would sky rocket. its just like tobacco plus.. and all that shit about hemp being useful, thats another reason. it would make america fatter, but so what, i like fat people.
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10-25-2003, 01:41 PM	#48 (permalink)
morpheus Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: lafayette Posts: 2 Internets: 10	HMMMM....WEEEED.....I must say I, my self do enjoy the effects of this plant when smoked in what is it, a maijuana cigarette...lol... ya anyways.... I have been clean for nearly 2 months now.... yes it does suck, but I found my self becoming slower i guess you could say... I do however love the drugs effect it has on me... I probably won't be smoking it again any time soon...however I am all for legalizing it... will it ever happen? Probably not... would I like for it to happen yes and no.... if the government did decide to legalize it... chances are it would be over priced because so many people use this drug...the fact is, it would probably be cheaper to keep it illegal that to legalize... oops did i say fact... I ment to clearly state my opinion... marijuana, I love it

10-27-2003, 12:22 AM	#50 (permalink)
ProfessorNumber Senior Member Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 1,215 Internets: 3373	If Morpheus is in ANY way affiliated with that pile of shit known as Ingsoc, then he has my permission to suffocate on his mom's fat cock.
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