GROUND ZERO MOSQUE

[Mr. Blonde]

I'm sorry, I just don't see Sharia taking hold in the U.S. because they want to build a mosque in New York. It's not like they don't already exist.

[Ugly Bastard]

I live next door to a mosque which kind of sucks because Muslims can't drive for shit and on Fridays my quiet little street turns into a god damned circus. I nearly killed one of them the other night when he decided to make a U-turn in the middle of the street so he could park on the other side without any signal or warning or any realization that I was right behind him. I could have t-boned him all the way to Allah if I wanted, and believe me, it was tempting.

[DDTempest]

Originally Posted by Mr. Blonde

I'm sorry, I just don't see Sharia taking hold in the U.S. because they want to build a mosque in New York. It's not like they don't already exist.

Thats exactly the point in their methods. Inches add up to leaps and bounds over the course of decades. "I don't see why ____ is a big deal," is exactly what they want you to say and feel.

Personally, I could give a fuck less about the ground zero Mosque ... what I do care about is that eventually this all going to come to a head when the entire world has had enough with Islam and decides to do something about it. It may be a century or two before this happens, but eventually "tolerance" will have allowed too much.

[Mr. Blonde]

Agreed, and when that happens, we should definitely act out against it. But as I said before, right now it's not. I have shown myriad times on this forum that i'm against all religion -- i'm clearly not an Muslim sympathizer. But fair is fair. As soon as everybody is willing to deal with the problems of Christianity influencing politics, then we'll move on to the much smaller (at least now) threat of Islam influencing politics.

[Mr. Blonde]

It is repeatedly said that 64% of the people, after listening to the political demagogues, don’t want the mosque to be built. What would we do if 75% of the people insist that no more Catholic churches be built in New York City? The point being is that majorities can become oppressors of minority rights as well as individual dictators. Statistics of support is irrelevant when it comes to the purpose of government in a free society — protecting liberty.

-Ron Paul

[Repugnant Abomination]

I've thought this whole thing is stupid since the beginning, but it does have the potential to set a very dangerous precedent.

[zebrazebrazebraSHAFT]

[ninjaface]

Within half a mile of Ground Zero you'll find lots of sacred shit.

adult loc: 2-96 West St, New York, 10080 (Ground Zero) - Google Maps

[Dent]

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[ninjaface]

How is this related?

[Mr. Blonde]

This is pretty sweet and spot-on. I'm glad to see a lot of other people are also disagreeing with Pat Condell in his most recent views on the mosque. Usually, i'm 100% in line with the guy, but in regard the mosque I just haven't been able to fall in.

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tl;dw?

They would have the right to build a MONUMENT to the hijackers of 9/11, and a giant mural of all the victims of 9/11 roasting in hell if they wanted to, THAT'S FREEDOM OF SPEECH. Freedom of speech means that SOMETIMES, incredible assholes WIN. But that's okay.Because this is America, and we can flip those assholes the bird and we can criticize them as much as we want, and as roundly as we want. But the second we start talking about 'taking their rights away', this is no longer America. This is some other country. Some other country where unpopular opinion is stifled. "Unpopular opinion" is EXACTLY what the First Amendment of the U.S.A. is designed to uphold. The mob doesn't need protection. The majority opinion doesn't need protection. THE MINORITY DOES!!!

EDIT: EMOTIONAL PIANO OVERLAY! (set rant volume to 100, piano to around 50)

[Der Fuhrer]

I just can't stand people who look like that guy does. His face makes me want to cut his head off. He reminds me of that red-head fuck from the Sarah Silverman show (which sucks btw).

[Ugly Bastard]

Related: My Way News - Fla. minister: Sept. 11 Quran burn still planned

[thekremlin]

fuck that guy. as ashamed as i have ever been of my country.

[Dent]

Why?

[thekremlin]

hes advocating his followers to burn books that other people think are sacred. thats nazism

[thekremlin]

and look i know that that's like the most common thing headcase liberals say when someone does something they think is bad. "ooooh you're eating meat, those are real animals, animals are people too, you're worse than hitler." and i'm not one of those people, im really not. but this is a guy who is urging his followers to burn people's sacred text! how is this not a dirty evil act?

and someone is going to say it's freedom of speech, so I'm not saying arrest him, I'm saying fuck that guy

[Dent]

Originally Posted by thekremlin

hes advocating his followers to burn books that other people think are sacred. thats nazism

Surely the constitution allows the burning of religious books?
Looks to me like Petraeus is a pussy that doesn't want anything to come from this, why he stepped in I do not know.
What if I think twilight is sacred and someone burns it? is that nazism?

Edit : second post wasn't there originally.

[f3lix]

I like this. I like that some Christian whack-job is going to have a religious fight with some Islamic whack-jobs. Maybe this will start WWIII, a religious war. That would be full of religious idiots blowing up each other.

[vaga1220 *]

Originally Posted by thekremlin

....how is this not a dirty evil act?

Because it's hilarious!

[ninjaface]

Originally Posted by f3lix

Maybe this will start WWIII, a religious war. That would be full of religious idiots blowing up each other.

Except that religious institutions do not have standing armies. I'm all for religious extremists of any kind killing each other. The collateral damage would be potentially massive, though.

[ninjaface]

A related article:
Terry Jones Accused of “Spiritual Abuse” at German Church; “Conducted Brainwashing” | The Political Carnival

[Mr. Blonde]

Every church conducts brainwashing

[ninjaface]

Originally Posted by Mr. Blonde

Every church conducts brainwashing

Did you read the article or just post a comment based on what the link said?

Regardless I understand your point, but what Terry Jones did went beyond your run of the mill religious rhetoric.

Another article I read has further information on his former congregation.

tl;dr?
Here are some excerpts:
*Hidden Prediction: some fag is going to point out that this is 2/3 of the article.

What is less well known is that the pastor led a charismatic evangelical church, the Christian Community of Cologne, in the western German city up until 2009. Last year, however, the members of the congregation kicked founder Jones out, because of his radicalism. One of the church's current leaders, Stephan Baar, also told the German news agency DPA that there had been suspicions of financial irregularities in the church surrounding Jones.

A "climate of fear and control" had previously prevailed in the congregation, says one former member of the church who does not want to be named. Instead of free expression, "blind obedience" was demanded, he says.

Various witnesses gave SPIEGEL ONLINE consistent accounts of the Jones' behavior. The pastor and his wife apparently regarded themselves as having been appointed by God, meaning opposition was a crime against the Lord. Terry and Sylvia Jones allegedly used these methods to ask for money in an increasingly insistent manner, as well as making members of the congregation carry out work.

Andrew Schäfer, a Protestant Church official responsible for monitoring sects in the region where Cologne is located, confirmed the accounts. "Terry Jones is a fundamentalist," he told SPIEGEL ONLINE.

Both major churches in Germany have "sect commissioners" who monitor the activities of religious groups, sects and cults. Although they are obviously not totally impartial, the officials' findings are usually considered to be trustworthy.

Former church members are still undergoing therapy as a result of "spiritual abuse," Schäfer said. According to Schäfer, Jones urged church members to beat their children with a rod and also taught "a distinctive demonology" and conducted brainwashing.

"Terry Jones appears to have a delusional personality," speculates Schäfer. When he came to Germany in the 1980s, Jones apparently considered Cologne "a city of Hell that was founded by Nero's mother," while he thought Germany was "a key country for the supposed Christian revival of Europe," Schäfer says.

Terry Jones used his powers of persuasion to expand the congregation. By the end, Schäfer estimates, it numbered between 800 and 1,000 people. They had to work in the so-called "Lisa Jones Houses," charitable institutions named after his first wife who has since died, under very poor conditions.