[Danhalen]

Originally posted by DJ FC:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Danhalen:
Do Muslims pray to God?

Yes.</font>[/quote]actually they say allah. i don't care if that translates to god, they call him allah.

Originally posted by DJ FC:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Danhalen:
Do Jews pray to God?

Yes.</font>[/quote]no, they pray to ywyh. there is a difference.

Originally posted by DJ FC:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Danhalen:
Do Hindus pray to God?

They pray to a few of them.</font>[/quote]none of which they name god.

Originally posted by DJ FC:
The common consensus is that Jews, Muslims, and Christians share the same idea of "God" that the government has in mind.

no it's not. why the fuck do you think they've been killing each other for ever? common origin does not equate identical ideas. besides that, the government is not supposed to have any religion in mind by it's own original rules. need i remind you of the first amendment?

Originally posted by DJ FC:
Does this fuck over Hindus and Buddhists, and God knows what other religeons? A bit. But they are in such a minority, that it's hardly an issue.

yeah, fuck everyone else that doesn't believe in what the majority believes. we would never have repealed jim crowe laws by that logic. is it ok that minorities were once not allowed to vote in the south?

Originally posted by DJ FC:
We are never going to change everything, and to completely eradicate "God" from every public forum, formal or informal, is to turn our backs completely on a fundamentalism that the nation was based on.

i don't wish to eradicate god from the public. if you believe in god you have a right to profess it. government have the authority to impose religious doctrine based on the first ammendment. according to the governmen, my rights are being infringed upon. fundementalism is hardly the word i would you to describe the men that founded this country. they were mostly deists, not fundemental christians.

Originally posted by DJ FC:
Why can't anybody take anything in stride anymore?

same reason those silly black people couldn't take the violation of their constitutional rights in stride.

Originally posted by DJ FC:
I have no problem really with allowing any group to have their religeous rights, but this shouldn't include denying our religeous past.

enforcing the rights of all does not exclude the recognition of the past.

Originally posted by DJ FC:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Danhalen:

I don't want socialism, i just despise theocratic oligarchy under the guise of representative democracy.

Uh oh, looks like somebody started using big words without realizing the consequences.

The problem with any words is that they convey only shades of meaning, rarely... if ever can anything completely concrete be transmitted from one to another.

The fact of the matter is that we don't live in a "Theocratic Oligarchy," and no amount of conspiracy theories could convince me that:
1)The Government is run by a secret leader, like the pope
2)The two major parties are in cohorts
or
3)That our votes don't actually count.

Do you actually know what a "Theocratic Oligarchy" is? The closest example I can think of is the Vatican. The United States is nothing like the Vatican, your vote counts, everybody gets one, no matter what their religion.</font>[/quote]i say theocratic because our current government wishes to legislate christian morallity. is this an in accurate statement?

i say oligarchy due to the fact that the people in charge of us are mostly from wealthy political dynasties(how much money does the bush family have and how many generations have been in federal government?).

Originally posted by DJ FC:
Think the President (or the Republican party for that matter) is exercising undo religious influence upon the nation? Well it's certainly not intolerable as the Republicans managed to completely demolish the Democrats this year (partly because of an ignorant faith that an Anti-Bush attitude will get you anywhere in life).

i think the republican party, not just bush, is violating the bill of rights. i do not include all republicans in this. democrats are often responsible for other violations of rights. i am sure i'd be pissed off at another issue if a dem were in charge right now.

Originally posted by DJ FC:
Now we move onto your other word "guise."

if that is what you consider a big word, go back to school. retard.

Originally posted by DJ FC:
Ohhhhhh you sound so fucking intellectual, I bet you go to Harvard!

what the fuck does my education have to do with anything? for the record (and this will probably be held against me) i have never been to college.

Originally posted by DJ FC:
Grow up kid, the structure of the United States Government is completely transparent. I will not deny that there are aspects of smaller agencies that you may not have access to, and some of these may or may not be ethical, but these are not critical to the makeup of the government as a whole.

fuckin' a! i never said there was a conspiracy. i said that my rights are being blatently ignored. where the fuck did you pull that from?

Originally posted by DJ FC:
There is not anything being hidden from you of the makeup of the 3 main bodies of power (Congress, the President, The Justice System). Everything is public. Everything eventually comes down to the people on Election Day in some way or another.

yes it does. we agree. calling the system representative of whom though? that is my question on the system.

Originally posted by DJ FC:
We are, in fact, a true Representative Democracy, and your arguing otherwise, without any substantial, structured argument, makes me dislike you and disrespect you.

you think lobbyists represent us? you think big business represents us? laws on either side of the party line get tailored to them. you are fucking blind if you don't see that. i am not represented in government, nor are many other people. if you are so blinded by your jingoism (another big word, you might want to look that one up) then join the fucking military and go get shot protecting the business, i mean, government interests.

by the way, you meant to spell your as you're in that last quote.

your opinion of me is of no interest to me.