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Originally Posted by Repugnant Abomination
I've been drinking the last 20 minutes, so I'm going to put our debate on hold until tomorrow. However, just let me emphasize that while we don't agree on a number of things, I respect your ability to articulate your point.
But, while I'm still coherent...You mentioned the war. Since we've been talking about mostly economic issues, could you explain your stance on the war?
You can read my initial, and painfully constrained opening argument about why I prefer Obama in terms of Iraq, here: http://nubblies.net/forums/showthrea...880#post363880 |
I appreciate that, and would say the same about you -- that's why I've done my best to not be overly insulting in a personal way. With regards to the war, I'll have to get back to you. For now, I'll just say that I'm not overly fond of it.
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Originally Posted by Mr. Blonde
I really, really don't like rich people. I never have, and for the most part I see them as only having gotten ahead because of their fathers and families. I have met some who are respectable human beings, but for the most part, the ones I meet at least, are not only less intelligent and socially aware than myself, but also complete fucking douchebags/dumb whores. I was +1 -ing more in that regard than letting Julian Garcia make the same as me.
I don't have much of a problem with rich folk of the pro sport/celebrity breed. As you said, they got where they are because idiots are willing to spend ridiculous amounts of money on entertainment. Its the elitist office/business fucks who I don't see as really being that hard of workers, having much of a work or business ethic, and also being complete fucks with sinecure-esque jobs.
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I think most people -- like yourself, or me -- would agree with your social observances. However, you do have to be careful not to grossly over-generalize/stereotype. While money can certainly bring out the worst in people, bad character and wealth are certainly not synonymous. I know people who are absurdly wealthy, but they are completely down to earth and very nice. The problem is, we tend to only remember the bad rather than the good. For instance, it's much easier to remember the BMW driver who cut us off, rather than the one who let us merge. Eventually these beliefs become self-fulfilling prophecies, and our opinions of such people are skewed before we even interact with them. Think of the pareto rule here -- 20/80. 20% of the jerks/douches account for 80% of the negative beliefs that are assigned to
all rich-people/BMW-drivers.
With regards to your comments about office/business workers, I have to disagree. Having worked out of several offices throughout the summer, I can tell you that the work ethic is typically pretty high (or at least within my organization). Sure, some of the employees tended to be a tad bit elitist, but they were definitely the minority. What you have to remember is that these people have jobs for a reason. Large corporations don't remain profitable (or open), if their employees are completely incompetent. Additionally, as I've mentioned earlier, I don't believe it's fair for you to quantify what an "office worker's" intellectual capacity or capabilities are worth.