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Originally Posted by BigDongedHoe
Ultimately my faith is exactly what it is, faith. It's not provable beyond a shadow of a doubt to be completely true and its not provable beyond a shadow of a doubt to completely disprove it either.
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Originally Posted by BigDongedHoe
In my opinion the bible is factually infallible. I can't prove that beyond a shadow of a doubt anymore than you can prove it isn't. I feel like a skipping record...
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That's because that's all you are. A skipping record, that plays back over and over and over again what it's told to from outside source. Rote memorization is not the same as critical thinking.
This argument is so flawed and overused it's hard to even address it, but i'll try (even though I know it's pointless)
Because you assert something that I can't disprove, I have to give it credence and/or respect? That is the most asinine thing i've ever heard. We can't disprove the things the mentally ill claim are "infallible truths", but we use the best (and arguably only) means of assessing the world around us, science, to decide whether or not they actually have a firm grasp on reality or not.
Just because you claim something is true does not mean people have to respect or give it any sort of legitimacy whatsoever. "I can't prove that there's not a monster in the room with me right now (Indeed, this is where the basis of the Flying Spaghetti Monster comes from, and Russell's teapot, and numerous other analogies), but you can't DISPROVE that a monster ISN'T in here with me, therefore I am right!!! Neener neener!!!"
BDH, I know you think this means a lot to you, and you claim and fall back on "well, it's faith, and what I believe, and no one can change that etc. etc. etc." ---
But isn't it important to you that what you believe in is right???
As Fruit said, why pigeonhole yourself into something like Christianity where there is
no possible way you can be right?
I thought of something to write in here as I was going to sleep, and it was a really good post but I completely forgot it. I think it has something to do with me reading your book, just so I can enhance my knowledge on the subject. But seriously BDH, most of us here aren't out to bash the fuck out of you or call you an idiot. I'm just trying to help you see the logical and rational faults in something you are absolutely certain on. You almost sound like an evangelical man, you aren't even acknowledging any faults of the Bible at all!
It's not like we're all Bible-hating satanists (well maybe Der Fuhrer), as Repug said earlier, you would be
extremely hard pressed to find someone who DIDN'T want to believe in a supreme being or god. Are you fucking kidding me? Do you know how
AWESOME that would be? Holy shit, somebody is up there has my back, and is watching over me, and even if something bad happens it's part of his big plan, and if I live a good life i'll get to live eternally in bliss! That sounds fucking AMAZING!!!
However, I can't just believe something just because I want to. What Christians almost never take into effect is human psychology and the fact that we've had to deal with the unexplainable bullshit, myriad hardships and many many unfair things over the course of human history, and our primitive brains had no other explanation for these things, so it found the best way possible to cope: Religion.
On a smaller scale, it's the exact same mechanism you see on facebook status updates when (usually a girl's) grandma dies, or she breaks up with her boyfriend.
"Everything happens for a reason"
That is an extremely comforting phrase when one looks into it. Maybe I got fired so I could get a BETTER job! Maybe they broke up with me so I could meet a guy that is SO MUCH BETTER! With this kind of perspective, everything that happens in our lives can be infinitely anthropomorphically suited to somehow, in the long term, benefiting us.
It would be amazing to believe in this. But just because something feels good, or makes life easier to deal with, or explains something that I don't otherwise have the intellect to understand (often the case with ignorance of science), doesn't mean I should give the idea the slightest bit of credence, let alone devote my entire life to it.