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Originally Posted by DJ FC
How about we ask people to pay for k-12 then?
Oh wait we already do and its not expensive.
Obama is asking for a lot more.
With a broad wave of his hand he dismisses the 13 trillion dollars worth of value that is created in the us every year through knowledge, hard work, and trade. That 13 trillion didn't create itself. People made it. And its nearly always made through mutually beneficial exchange not charity.
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How is he asking for a lot more? All he's saying is that the Bush tax cuts should
expire. Do you understand that? They were supposed to be temporary in the first fucking place. Would it really be so bad for taxes to go back to the Clinton era levels? I seem to recall the economy doing pretty goddamn okay during that time.
And no, he's not dismissing personal initiative or hard work, he's merely pointing out that we all benefit from the American system that we all as tax payers contribute to.
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Originally Posted by f3lix
Repug, where does your argument lie when a person attents private school all their life and attends a private college or even a school like Hillsdale?
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Private schools are more the exception than the norm. Public school is what most people go through. I'm not sure how I feel about it though, since education in this country is a mess. It worries me because inequality is growing and when it reaches a boiling point things could get really bad. We need members of our society to be educated and productive and contribute. Otherwise they turn to welfare and gangs and have too many kids and fuck the whole system up. A good public education system can help curb a lot of that.
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Originally Posted by f3lix
The thought that the liberal agenda breaks down to claiming that every person was helped by resources of other people (they'll imply it's the government) is hilarious because everything the government provides is paid for by the tax dollars of its citizens. The government has no money - it belongs to all of us, regardless of what Repug will try to claim.
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Bitch, what the fuck are you talking about? You really have to be the densest person on this board.
Nobody is saying the resources belong to the government, and nobody is implying it. Your unabashed hate is making you see shit that isn't there.
Honestly, you guys are ridiculous. Obama isn't
raising taxes, he's letting tax breaks expire. The republicans are being cunty by trying to make them permanent when they never were meant to be. People seem to forget this economy crashed under Bush's watch when he deregulated the financial system to the point that it collapsed from its own excesses. That said, Obama never understood business, hasn't done enough to fix the economy (even though I do think it could have been a lot worse), and I'm not sure if he's ever going to
get it. It's worrisome.