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Unread 10-04-2012, 08:00 PM   #1264 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by Repugnant Abomination View Post
Can you oversimplify the plot to a movie? A novel? Can you oversimplify a concept or an idea? Can you oversimplify the Greek gods or the monotheistic God?

The answer to all of these questions is yes.
Sorry Repug but you are just spouting apologist nonsense. I wonder what your intentions were digging this up in the first place. Yes, movies and pretty much everything else can be oversimplified. It's called a summary. And summaries are by very definition the most brief and correct overview of a subject. Sorry I can't get all Aquinas with you.


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I think you've either missed the point or are oversimplifying. I don't think many thoughtful Christians are saying that after a life full murder, rape and theft that a person can just say, on his death bed "My bad! Sorry. I won't do that stuff anymore. Please let me go to heaven now." Most would probably say that you have to mean it.

So we're going by "what many thoughtful Christians are saying" now? Whatever moderate/liberate religious school of thought is in the present is how things go in the afterlife? This is the fundamental problem with religion -- endless interpretation.

Let me rephrase for you:

Somebody can actually go out and experiment with crime, fornication, and drugs, and still come back, empty and hollow inside like the rest of us, with open arms to a religion they think will complete them, and they often convince themselves that it has. (CONVINCE IS A KEYWORD HERE)

I have always realized the silliness in, say, a serial murder-rapist asking for forgiveness, MEANING IT, on his deathbed and being granted it.

I bet that feels so good; to experience many of the "sins" of the world and once you have tired of it, still be able to convince yourself you are loved by a god and then pretend like you're pious. No wonder Christianity is so popular.





In effect, you're in support of a person wanting true reconciliation for whatever terrible things they did (let's add child rape in, that's pretty relevant), they still get to go to heaven. That's fucking retarded. It doesn't work in criminal court, there is no reason it should work in the afterlife.

Psychedelics are illegal not because a loving government is concerned that you may jump out of a third story window. Psychedelics are illegal because they dissolve opinion structures and culturally laid down models of behavior and information processing.

― Terence McKenna
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