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f3lix · 10-06-2006, 08:42 AM

Pride is coming to Las Vegas and tickets aren't cheap. Any decent seats are between 500-750 a piece... Could you MMA people explain this to me?

Beebs · 10-06-2006, 09:55 AM

Pride is the biggest MMA org in Japan, probably the world. The fights are in a ring with slightly different ruleset; Pride does not allow elbows to the face but (in Japan at least) they allow stomps, kicks, and knees to the head of a downed opponent, but this is not legal under the Nevada State Athletic Commision so it will not be allowed at this show. In Japan Pride's round and scoring system is different as well, they have a 10 min first round, 5 min second round, and depending on the fight they will have a 5 min third round; the fights are judged on the whole instead of round by round, but again this will all change in America and they will have to follow the NSAC rules.

In general Pride is known for having great fighters, but with an emphasis more on the entertainment side than the legit sporting side, so it can seem like a freak show at times. They just did a bunch of publicity with Mike Tyson, knowing full well that he will never have anything to do with Pride again, he won't box any exhibitions for them, and he damn well won't fight any MMA, they've also used Sumo wrestlers, masked mexican pro wrestlers who appeared totally untrained, a Japanese actor, and various other sideshows. They also tend to heavily favor whoever they prefer to win. There is no Athletic Commision governing MMA in Japan (well there is the shooto commision but Pride does not follow it) so Pride is not accountable to anybody but their company and is free to police itself, which leads to pretty questionable choices at times.

Ironic Mustache · 10-06-2006, 10:48 AM

I know what you're saying, but that's just because of ridculous Japanese culture. The talent is DEFINITELY there as well. Cro Cop, Fedor, Wanderlei, Gomi, not to mention Sakuraba from back in the day, are all highly quality fighters. No on in the UFC is going to touch Gomi or Fedor, Wanderlei and Chuck could go either way (Chuck throws heaters), etc. Noguiera, Rua, etc.

Beebs · 10-06-2006, 01:12 PM

No argument here, I may have gotten a little carried away, but I think knowing how Pride operates is important.

f3lix · 10-07-2006, 12:05 AM

I enjoy watching Fedor fight. I just never dreamed the tickets would be so pricey.

theMerciless1 · 10-09-2006, 08:38 AM

even UFC tix prices are getting out of hand.

f3lix · 10-09-2006, 10:04 AM

Any thoughts on Shamrock/Ortiz 3? Another wash?

BigDongedHoe · 10-09-2006, 11:23 AM

Are you kidding? I think betting on the over-under as far as time Shamrock will actually spend in the ring is a better question.

My guess is Ortiz in 4 min.

Beebs · 10-09-2006, 02:30 PM

I concur, Ortiz by punches and elbows from mount, round 1.

BigDongedHoe · 10-09-2006, 06:12 PM

Very true, although I would love to see Shamrock make it a fight and possibly pull off the upset win I see that as a close to zero possibility.

Cocktooth · 10-09-2006, 08:42 PM

In all honesty...i really hope shamrock pounds his head in....Griffin beat ortiz when they fought awhile back....since then he has fought shamrock who is over the hill...this time is going to be different...im going out on a limb here but in the wwf, shamrock never lost 3 fights to the same person...shamrock by ankle lock submission.!!!

BigDongedHoe · 10-09-2006, 09:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shaw

im going out on a limb here but in the wwf, shamrock never lost 3 fights to the same person...shamrock by ankle lock submission.!!!

haha wow too damn funny

Cocktooth · 10-10-2006, 08:47 PM

FUCK THAT FIGHT......That was so much for show it makes me feel like im watchin reality tv....congrats..UFC is now the WWE to me...get real....They hated so much.....Shamrock was all happy coming to a ring...i remember watching him in UFC 2....NEVER EVER EVER has he came to a fight like that.....then he comes over and shakes his hand...GET REAL.....IF ANYONE I HATE FLIPS ME OFF......I dont shake their hand.......God Damnit....UFC is now one life to live to me...congrats...put ufc on day time television..what a joke

" Its Business now" Ortiz says that...guess what...its now boxing..congrats....hire don king to promote one of this big timers...its ashame....cause there is so many good fighters and so many guys that deserve more then what tonight has brought.....

Beebs · 10-10-2006, 08:53 PM

lol, Shamrocks just an over dramatic guy, plus hes old and had to realize the odds were heavily against him. The hate was just marketing

Cocktooth · 10-10-2006, 09:24 PM

The whole fight was marketing..give me a break...you seem like an intelligent UFC guy...have you ever seen shamrock so "relaxed" as the announcers put it. hell no....Tito could have beat him to a pulp from the bell...This whole fight was for show....It was all to 1/2 way set up franklin's fight this saturday obviously...but i think more...it was to set up ortiz Liddell which they obviously have already made set because of the talk after the fight....Dana White = Vincent Kennedy McMahon..... He pulled the wool over my eyes on this one...but wont do it for another 39.99 pay per view

Beebs · 10-10-2006, 10:04 PM

Yea, the free tv ones are all pretty much advertising, and Shamrock just showed up for the paycheck and retirement party. I wasn't expecting anything else really so I'm not disapointed, the Herman vs Macdonald fight was good at least. And Chris Price, the guy Kendal beat up, has trained at my new place from time to time so that was cool.

Edit: Buy yea, don't get me wrong, I'm not defending that fight as worth watching.

BigDongedHoe · 10-10-2006, 11:27 PM

It was what it was and I do believe they truly had a feud. Shamrock probably wanted to go out with his retirement on a good note and give Tito his props. I really think Tito still dislikes the guy but gave him his due in retirement which was a respectful thing to do.

As Beebs mentioned the Kendal Grove fight might of proved the finding of a star, Grove looked very good in the fight.

The biggest news of them all, Tito Ortiz is dating Jenna Jameson?? Damn I thought she just got married, shocker to me.

Cocktooth · 10-12-2006, 10:10 PM

Fuck Ortiz...I dont give a shit who he is fucking.......I cant wait for him to get his head stomped in....He is a cock arrogent fuck....he is TO to me....That fight sucked...I wont buy this saturdays pay per view...im that pissed at the UFC...having said that....BDH....Liddel Ortiz here....same beer amount as last time!!! FUck it I love the UFC...was just upset about tuesday!!!!!

BigDongedHoe · 10-12-2006, 11:53 PM

Oh hell yeah i'll be at your place for Liddel Ortiz, that fight is going to be sick and I can't wait.

Beebs · 10-13-2006, 11:32 AM

Where do you live, I would stop in if it was close.

vaga1220 * · 10-14-2006, 01:00 AM

Shamrock tried a flying leglock on Tito. That was cool.

BigDongedHoe · 10-14-2006, 10:26 AM

Beebs Shaw lives probably 35-40 min. from Middlebury, if it didn't work out there I could throw a little get together at my house which is maybe 40-45 from Middlebury.

Beebs · 10-14-2006, 03:43 PM

Ah, well I'm in Indy, so that pry wont work.

BigDongedHoe · 10-14-2006, 03:58 PM

You won't be back from break in December?? You go to Butler right??

Beebs · 10-14-2006, 03:59 PM

Oh, forgot that you weren't talking about this one, who knows where I'll be then, but I'll keep in touch.

10-06-2006, 08:42 AM	#1 (permalink)
f3lix Gangnam Style Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: DH's Massage Parlor Posts: 6,383 Internets: 213510	Pride Fighting Visits US Pride is coming to Las Vegas and tickets aren't cheap. Any decent seats are between 500-750 a piece... Could you MMA people explain this to me?

10-06-2006, 09:55 AM	#2 (permalink)
Beebs Poor Sport Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Indianapolis / Middlebury / Long Lake Posts: 5,306 Internets: 127341	Pride is the biggest MMA org in Japan, probably the world. The fights are in a ring with slightly different ruleset; Pride does not allow elbows to the face but (in Japan at least) they allow stomps, kicks, and knees to the head of a downed opponent, but this is not legal under the Nevada State Athletic Commision so it will not be allowed at this show. In Japan Pride's round and scoring system is different as well, they have a 10 min first round, 5 min second round, and depending on the fight they will have a 5 min third round; the fights are judged on the whole instead of round by round, but again this will all change in America and they will have to follow the NSAC rules. In general Pride is known for having great fighters, but with an emphasis more on the entertainment side than the legit sporting side, so it can seem like a freak show at times. They just did a bunch of publicity with Mike Tyson, knowing full well that he will never have anything to do with Pride again, he won't box any exhibitions for them, and he damn well won't fight any MMA, they've also used Sumo wrestlers, masked mexican pro wrestlers who appeared totally untrained, a Japanese actor, and various other sideshows. They also tend to heavily favor whoever they prefer to win. There is no Athletic Commision governing MMA in Japan (well there is the shooto commision but Pride does not follow it) so Pride is not accountable to anybody but their company and is free to police itself, which leads to pretty questionable choices at times.
	Last edited by Beebs; 10-06-2006 at 10:04 AM.

10-06-2006, 10:48 AM	#3 (permalink)
Ironic Mustache G'd up from the feet up. Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Cali Posts: 7,146 Supreme Emperor of the Jiu Jitsu Shit Forum?: Yes Internets: 114735	I know what you're saying, but that's just because of ridculous Japanese culture. The talent is DEFINITELY there as well. Cro Cop, Fedor, Wanderlei, Gomi, not to mention Sakuraba from back in the day, are all highly quality fighters. No on in the UFC is going to touch Gomi or Fedor, Wanderlei and Chuck could go either way (Chuck throws heaters), etc. Noguiera, Rua, etc.
	Creeping around as I please nonchalantly like any other Supreme Emperor might. Last edited by Ironic Mustache; 10-06-2006 at 10:54 AM.

10-09-2006, 08:38 AM	#6 (permalink)
theMerciless1 Senior Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: ming\'s palace Posts: 1,495 Internets: 412	even UFC tix prices are getting out of hand.
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10-09-2006, 11:23 AM	#8 (permalink)
BigDongedHoe Sex Kitten Milf fuuucck Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 3,704 Internets: 55974	Are you kidding? I think betting on the over-under as far as time Shamrock will actually spend in the ring is a better question. My guess is Ortiz in 4 min.
	There's life and then there is Cubs baseball, it's a chore to seperate the two.

10-06-2006, 01:12 PM	#4 (permalink)
Beebs Poor Sport Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Indianapolis / Middlebury / Long Lake Posts: 5,306 Internets: 127341	No argument here, I may have gotten a little carried away, but I think knowing how Pride operates is important.

10-07-2006, 12:05 AM	#5 (permalink)
f3lix Gangnam Style Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: DH's Massage Parlor Posts: 6,383 Internets: 213510	I enjoy watching Fedor fight. I just never dreamed the tickets would be so pricey.

10-09-2006, 10:04 AM	#7 (permalink)
f3lix Gangnam Style Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: DH's Massage Parlor Posts: 6,383 Internets: 213510	Any thoughts on Shamrock/Ortiz 3? Another wash?

10-09-2006, 02:30 PM	#9 (permalink)
Beebs Poor Sport Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Indianapolis / Middlebury / Long Lake Posts: 5,306 Internets: 127341	I concur, Ortiz by punches and elbows from mount, round 1.

10-09-2006, 06:12 PM	#10 (permalink)
BigDongedHoe Sex Kitten Milf fuuucck Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 3,704 Internets: 55974	Very true, although I would love to see Shamrock make it a fight and possibly pull off the upset win I see that as a close to zero possibility.
	There's life and then there is Cubs baseball, it's a chore to seperate the two.

10-09-2006, 08:42 PM	#11 (permalink)
Cocktooth Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Warsaw Posts: 4,220 Internets: 124047	In all honesty...i really hope shamrock pounds his head in....Griffin beat ortiz when they fought awhile back....since then he has fought shamrock who is over the hill...this time is going to be different...im going out on a limb here but in the wwf, shamrock never lost 3 fights to the same person...shamrock by ankle lock submission.!!!
	Nubblies: If we put up with Felix, we will put up with you too.

10-10-2006, 08:47 PM	#13 (permalink)
Cocktooth Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Warsaw Posts: 4,220 Internets: 124047	FUCK THAT FIGHT......That was so much for show it makes me feel like im watchin reality tv....congrats..UFC is now the WWE to me...get real....They hated so much.....Shamrock was all happy coming to a ring...i remember watching him in UFC 2....NEVER EVER EVER has he came to a fight like that.....then he comes over and shakes his hand...GET REAL.....IF ANYONE I HATE FLIPS ME OFF......I dont shake their hand.......God Damnit....UFC is now one life to live to me...congrats...put ufc on day time television..what a joke " Its Business now" Ortiz says that...guess what...its now boxing..congrats....hire don king to promote one of this big timers...its ashame....cause there is so many good fighters and so many guys that deserve more then what tonight has brought.....
	Nubblies: If we put up with Felix, we will put up with you too. Last edited by Cocktooth; 10-10-2006 at 08:51 PM.

10-10-2006, 08:53 PM	#14 (permalink)
Beebs Poor Sport Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Indianapolis / Middlebury / Long Lake Posts: 5,306 Internets: 127341	lol, Shamrocks just an over dramatic guy, plus hes old and had to realize the odds were heavily against him. The hate was just marketing

10-10-2006, 09:24 PM	#15 (permalink)
Cocktooth Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Warsaw Posts: 4,220 Internets: 124047	The whole fight was marketing..give me a break...you seem like an intelligent UFC guy...have you ever seen shamrock so "relaxed" as the announcers put it. hell no....Tito could have beat him to a pulp from the bell...This whole fight was for show....It was all to 1/2 way set up franklin's fight this saturday obviously...but i think more...it was to set up ortiz Liddell which they obviously have already made set because of the talk after the fight....Dana White = Vincent Kennedy McMahon..... He pulled the wool over my eyes on this one...but wont do it for another 39.99 pay per view
	Nubblies: If we put up with Felix, we will put up with you too.

10-10-2006, 10:04 PM	#16 (permalink)
Beebs Poor Sport Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Indianapolis / Middlebury / Long Lake Posts: 5,306 Internets: 127341	Yea, the free tv ones are all pretty much advertising, and Shamrock just showed up for the paycheck and retirement party. I wasn't expecting anything else really so I'm not disapointed, the Herman vs Macdonald fight was good at least. And Chris Price, the guy Kendal beat up, has trained at my new place from time to time so that was cool. Edit: Buy yea, don't get me wrong, I'm not defending that fight as worth watching.
	Last edited by Beebs; 10-10-2006 at 10:12 PM.

10-10-2006, 11:27 PM	#17 (permalink)
BigDongedHoe Sex Kitten Milf fuuucck Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 3,704 Internets: 55974	It was what it was and I do believe they truly had a feud. Shamrock probably wanted to go out with his retirement on a good note and give Tito his props. I really think Tito still dislikes the guy but gave him his due in retirement which was a respectful thing to do. As Beebs mentioned the Kendal Grove fight might of proved the finding of a star, Grove looked very good in the fight. The biggest news of them all, Tito Ortiz is dating Jenna Jameson?? Damn I thought she just got married, shocker to me.
	There's life and then there is Cubs baseball, it's a chore to seperate the two.

10-12-2006, 10:10 PM	#18 (permalink)
Cocktooth Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Warsaw Posts: 4,220 Internets: 124047	Fuck Ortiz...I dont give a shit who he is fucking.......I cant wait for him to get his head stomped in....He is a cock arrogent fuck....he is TO to me....That fight sucked...I wont buy this saturdays pay per view...im that pissed at the UFC...having said that....BDH....Liddel Ortiz here....same beer amount as last time!!! FUck it I love the UFC...was just upset about tuesday!!!!!
	Nubblies: If we put up with Felix, we will put up with you too.

10-12-2006, 11:53 PM	#19 (permalink)
BigDongedHoe Sex Kitten Milf fuuucck Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 3,704 Internets: 55974	Oh hell yeah i'll be at your place for Liddel Ortiz, that fight is going to be sick and I can't wait.
	There's life and then there is Cubs baseball, it's a chore to seperate the two.

10-13-2006, 11:32 AM	#20 (permalink)
Beebs Poor Sport Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Indianapolis / Middlebury / Long Lake Posts: 5,306 Internets: 127341	Where do you live, I would stop in if it was close.

10-14-2006, 01:00 AM	#21 (permalink)
vaga1220 * *Dislikes ham Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: HELL 666 Posts: 1,518 Internets: 60790	Shamrock tried a flying leglock on Tito. That was cool.
	Putting the sensual in non-consensual.

10-14-2006, 10:26 AM	#22 (permalink)
BigDongedHoe Sex Kitten Milf fuuucck Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 3,704 Internets: 55974	Beebs Shaw lives probably 35-40 min. from Middlebury, if it didn't work out there I could throw a little get together at my house which is maybe 40-45 from Middlebury.
	There's life and then there is Cubs baseball, it's a chore to seperate the two.

10-14-2006, 03:43 PM	#23 (permalink)
Beebs Poor Sport Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Indianapolis / Middlebury / Long Lake Posts: 5,306 Internets: 127341	Ah, well I'm in Indy, so that pry wont work.

10-14-2006, 03:58 PM	#24 (permalink)
BigDongedHoe Sex Kitten Milf fuuucck Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 3,704 Internets: 55974	You won't be back from break in December?? You go to Butler right??
	There's life and then there is Cubs baseball, it's a chore to seperate the two.

10-14-2006, 03:59 PM	#25 (permalink)
Beebs Poor Sport Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Indianapolis / Middlebury / Long Lake Posts: 5,306 Internets: 127341	Oh, forgot that you weren't talking about this one, who knows where I'll be then, but I'll keep in touch.

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