lets all reflect....

[Carnivorous Flavor]

tomorrow is 9/11....i'm watching a new show on stories of those who died in the attacks on the World Trade Center on 9/11...very sad and touching.

Perhaps it will weigh less on the shoulders of the midwest nubblites.....but I know for myself being in FFLD county CT, merciless being in North NJ, and urmybitch who was in NYC that day...maybe even DCK in PA....this was a sad day....i saw the smoke and dust from my shoreline of my local beach.
luckily the peeps i knew who were in NYC were all OK...i made alot of calls that day.

i'd just like to know the youth of the rest of the country acknowledges the significance of that day. The U.S. soil has only been "invaded" a few times....the early mexican "battles"..where we stole texas....the fraudulent Canadian assault...Pearl Harbor.....there were other attacks on U.S. citizens and military on foreign land, but this was home turf,,,multiple attacks on civilians....

i dont know, i'm sitting here with my 4 month old son feeding him at 11:30 PM, and i'm watching these stories of family men (cops and fire rescue)who went back into the the towers to help others...when they had their own to take care of at home...

that must be the definition of selfless.

[ September 10, 2005, 10:44 PM: Message edited by: Carnivorous Flavor ]

[ur my bitch]

I agree with Carnivorous...it was the craziest day of my life, and probably the hardest to get over. Not only the fact that we were invaded......for no reason, just attacked, but they attacked and killed thousands of innocent civilians and tore apart 10's of thousands of families and lives forever.

I was not only in NYC that day, but my building was 4 blocks away. I was at my desk when the guy next to me got a call from his wife about a plane crashing into the WTC. WE looked out hte window and papers were flying everywhere. I called my buddy to se what he heard, and then I told him I was going to walk to the WTC to se what really happened.

I walk outside, head to the WTC. I get outside my building and look up to see WTC 1 on fire. Holy shit, that;s a big fire. I decide walking thre may be a bad idea and I see everyone on the street staring. next thing I know.....ZZOOOOOM, BAM!! Plane # 2 goes crashing into the 2nd tower. All chaos broke lose, and I sat there for 10 minutes not sure what to do. do I try to get a subway uptown and get the fuck outta dodge? Do I stay and see WTF is really ogin gon? Do I go back upstairs to my office and get my wallet and crap?

People were crying and screaming. it was nuts. I went upstairs and then sirens go off and we are on lockdown, not allowed to leave the building. after about an hour of beig scaed shitless and looiing out my window watching the towers burn........and watching people jump...tower 1 goes down. Holy shit that was scary. Watching people run for their lives and then all of a sudden, tower 2 goes down. The whole downtown area was pitch black. fuckin nightmare.

Now I work at ground Zero. Literally right next to where the towers used to be.

Fucking awful and so sad. Can;t even explain it, but tomorow represents a horible horrible day in American history and something I will never be able to forget and I will never be able to think abo 9/11 without getting the worst butterflies in my stomach.

[Repugnant Abomination]

Damn. To be honest I know that 9-11 is a signigicant date, but I won't ever really beable to relate on your guys' level. Living in Oregon I'm across the country and sure it was horrible to hear about and watch on tv but I'm sure it just doesn't compare to being there. I remember though I had woken up late that day. I was living in my apartment and it must have been around noon. I get up and turn the radio on and instead of music or commericials I hear this very official sounding guy reporting...That sure got my attention.

Obviously though we were attacked for a reason, be it a fucked up and twisted one. But I don't want to get into the politics of it. Bottom line is it's a horrible day in American, and really world history, and I feel for everyone who was affected by it.

[ninjaface]

9/11 = Government Sponsored Terrorism.

9/11 The Road to Tryanny

The American Illuminati

Watch these videos.

[ September 11, 2005, 07:47 PM: Message edited by: ninjaface ]

[Schroeder]

Ah, yes, all of these videos will say (will because I only watched the first) "Think for yourself" as long as thinking for yourself means going along with the conspiracy theories. Now I have no way of proving things one way or the other, but I do know one thing: In between the rock music, mis-construed quotes, and spelling errors, if their message is true, what are you going to do about it? Not a damn thing. You know why? Because you're not important. You're meaningless. Hell, most of the people on this site don't even vote.

The people that made these videos won't even do anything. Any time they have to fight our corrupt government will be spent doing... That's right! Making more useless videos.

I feel bad for families who lost love ones on 9/11, I really do. But I'm going to move on with my life and choose my battles, making a positive difference where I can. One battle I can't win, and neither can you, is deciding on the true intentions of our government. So yes, I could have watched those 2nd two videos, but that's just 3 1/2 hours of my life I can't get back.

The main point of this post is if you're convinced from these videos or any others that your "eyes have been opened" then you might as well just close them again because you're nothing more than a silent witness and you always have been, and you always will be.

I'm about half way through the first video you posted, which is 20 minutes long.

Do you have any academic sources to back this up or is it just a paragraph worth of content surrounded by 20 minutes of action video and rock music?

[theMerciless1]

ttt
shitty day. i have several friends who lost mothers and uncles that day.
i hated waking up that whole week and walking outside my house and seeing smoke and ash in the air.
my cousin was a demo manager for one of the biggest contractors involved in the cleanup, he was there by 9pm on 9/11 and stayed on site for 4 days straight. he recalled digging and just finding body after body. on the 4th day he uncovered a police car with 2 dead cops in it. he came home a very different person.
i cant say for sure that it had more of an effect on us east coasters, but i sure would say we had a much different experience of it.

[Beebs]

Originally posted by ninjaface:
9/11 = Government Sponsored Terrorism.

Secret Evil of 9/11

9/11 The Road to Tryanny

The American Illuminati

Watch these videos.

Look how free of a thinker I am, I listen to unproven onesided nonacedemic theorys and believe them whole heartedly, because I'm different!

[ September 11, 2005, 12:48 PM: Message edited by: Beebs ]

[Ugly Bastard]

It was "job shadow" day at high school for me. I was a Senior. I remember calling this pilot at the Warsaw Airport a few days before. I asked him "hey do you think I could job shadow you on September 11th and 12th for a couple hours each morning?" His reply was "sure, no problem... we might even be able to get you up in the air for a little bit."

Stoked, I drove to the airport on the early morning of September 11th... probably about the time the first plane was hitting the tower in NYC. I met the pilot I was shadowing. He was a pretty cool guy. We went out to his hanger and he showed me around the inside of his private jet. I was sitting in the cockpit of the jet, in the pilot's seat, while he sat in the co-pilot's seat showing me a few cool features of a jet. His (hot) secretary came out to the hanger, peered her head in the door of the plane and said "Steve, they're saying on the radio that a plane might have hit the World Trade Center in NYC". I thought of this as pretty odd, but to be honest, sorta brushed it off thinking that maybe weird shit happens like this all the time, and I'm only hearing about it because I am at an airport surrounded by people in the aviation industry.

Steve hears this news and told me that he was going to run up to his office and see what's going on, and that I could run home (or go do what I want) for an hour or so, then come back to continue "shadowing".

I got in my car and put the radio on some random AM station hoping to hear more about what was going on. The DJs on the station I was listening to just kept repeating "oh my God" and "I can't believe what my eyes are seeing" and "if you're anywhere close to a TV, go to it now, this isn't something you should try to follow over the radio", etc, etc. Hearing all of this I started driving faster and faster to get home. I got back to my house and yelled as soon as I walked in the door "turn on the TV!" My mother was still in the house, but was dabbling around with stuff in the dining room, and didn't know anything was going on.

Well, as they say the rest is history, but I always thought it was freaky that I was sitting in the cockpit of a jet the first time I heard about the 9/11 tragedies. Crazy shit.

-Ugly Bastard

PS: urmybitch, God damn...

[fat_retard]

I was actually at school taking a shit when I first heard about it. Some kids were talking about it in the bathroom during eighth grade istep testing. We went back to our respective classrooms and heard the rest of the story later that day.

[ September 11, 2005, 03:57 PM: Message edited by: fat_retard ]

[Carnivorous Flavor]

ttt. respect

UB that is exactly the kind of story i was hoping to hear. That is a day that you should remember where you were when you when you found out about the attacks.

Kinda like the JFK assination, pearl harbor, and also, for me....the LA RIOTS and that bullshit OJ verdict.....

[ September 11, 2005, 07:17 PM: Message edited by: Carnivorous Flavor ]

[ninjaface]

Blah blah blah. Shut up Schroeder. The first video is the probably the least important of the 3 videos as it does have the music fluff and is not the most well-made video. The other 2 videos are more professional and are very informative. So Schroeder, until you watch the last 2 videos shut the fuck up.

Originally posted by Schroeder:
So yes, I could have watched those 2nd two videos, but that's just 3 1/2 hours of my life I can't get back.

Why worry about a measily 3 and a half hours? Your entire 20+ years so far have been a waste, what's another few hours?

Originally posted by DJ FC:


Do you have any academic sources to back this up or is it just a paragraph worth of content surrounded by 20 minutes of action video and rock music?

I apologize for not giving a little background on the videos. I would have ranked the first one as the worst of the 3. But I was stoned at the time, so I didn't care much at that point. But I will say that the 2nd two videos are much more informative and worth a watch.

Originally posted by Beebs:
Look how free of a thinker I am, I listen to unproven onesided nonacedemic theorys and believe them whole heartedly, because I'm different!

See, now you are just being a dick. I knew these videos would not get a positive reception, but I made the post anyway. If you think I'm a consipracy theory nut, you're way off. I know people that talk about this shit every chance they get. You're also making assumptions. I never said I believe all the things in this video whole heartedly, but since you implied it, hell.. I must have said those exact words. Until someone watches the second 2 videos in full, I suggest we don't make such dumb-fuck assumptions.

[Carnivorous Flavor]

or..how about you start your off the cuff conspiracy theory and paranoid video posts in a seperate thread....

this thread is about human loss and suffering, not a pissing contest about who's keener to the goings on of the US Govt.....

reguardless of who did it....many innocent people were killed. these werent soldiers or agents or conspirators...they were janitors and cooks and secretaries and traders and cops and firemen.

they were people. shut the fuck up and show respect for the dead.

[Carnivorous Flavor]

and for the record, schroeder is probably the biggest piss missle here at nubblies, a class A1 shitbag.

[ninjaface]

Originally posted by Carnivorous Flavor:
and for the record, schroeder is probably the biggest piss missle here at nubblies, a class A1 shitbag.

I think we can all agree with that. But on a serious note...

On the 11th, I was with my mom at McDonalds before we went to the Kidney Center. The very first thing I had heard was that a plane crashed into one of the towers. I thought nothing of it because I assumed it was just a small plane, like the one that had hit one of the towers years before. But when we got to the Kidney Center, I found out the full story. All the people on dialysis had their small TVs on and were watching the news coverage. I looked around the room and could see all the different channels covering the same thing. I don't remember what else I did the rest of the day. Probably because nothing seemed nearly as important at the time.

[Beebs]

Originally posted by ninjaface:
Until someone watches the second 2 videos in full, I suggest we don't make such dumb-fuck assumptions.

You wrote it as a mathematical equation, to me that implys full belief, you put "=" not "could possibly suggest" or something like that. You implied that it was government sponsered, that the US government actually came up with a plan and executed it by killing thousands of the countrys best and brightest. Do you actually believe this, do you even realize what you are saying?

The second video is a goddamned joke, "there are absolute proven facts that the government was instramental in executed the attacks on Oklahoma City" Ok dumbass, how about you show us these absolute facts? How about you get them peer reviewed? Published in a journal? You can't because you are making it up. This video just goes on and on with complete and utter lies like this. Can you honestly not tell the difference between credible sources and this asshole?

"Our prison population has gone from 1.8 million to 6.4 million in the past two years"

I want to let that sink in, read that again, maybe three times. This guy has no credibility at all, and is just flat out lying http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/prisons.htm

Now, if you honestly believe that "9/11=Government sponsered terrorism" based on this guy, you are a failure. If you actually have some sort of credible evidence that led you to this conclusion, I still think you are wrong, but I could at least respect your opinion, this is just trash though, pure trash.

You are however 100% right on Schroeder.

[Carnivorous Flavor]

i'd lik e to party with beebs, and watch live UFC....

[Orgazmo]

Like Bastard, I was at my job shadow. I was in my dad's office doing some of his bitch work with excel when a secretary lady came in to tell him about hearing a plane crashing into one of the WTC towers. We both kinda shrugged it off...thinking it was a small plane or something and some douchebag just kinda lost control trying to be a hot shot flying over NYC.

Not too long later she came back and said that it had happened again to the other tower...and the people on the radio were talking about it being an attack. That moment was completely shocking. It's like everything finally hit as to what was going on...that we were literally being attacked on our own soil...and that the event that we had shrugged off not 10 minutes earlier was actually a legitimate act of war against us.

We went out to the main lobby area where there were a few tv's set up in the corners and started watching the live coverage along with basically everyone else from his office. While we were watching the first tower fell. The entire mood in the room went from "what the fuck's going on" to "oh christ I'm pissed." It was really something. Some people cursed at the television, others just kinda hung their heads not really knowing what to say, and most just kinda stared at the tv with their mouths wide open. Outside of the few who initially cursed the situation, there was no talking for a few minutes. About as solemn of a situation as I've ever been in.

[Carnivorous Flavor]

was ninja face or ninjafacesMOM's going for dialysis?
either way...thanks..i was just looking for real stories of where people were when this happened, and what they remembered......

i remember the bicentenial celebration we had in 1976 ....200 years of freedom.....you guys werent born yet, we are lucky people, who have earned what we have. lets keep it.

[ September 11, 2005, 10:52 PM: Message edited by: Carnivorous Flavor ]

[bloodyfart]

dialysis, diabetes, and mcdonalds: a winning combo.

i was a senior in college. i was living with four other dudes and ucla was not in session yet cause we are on the quarter system.
i was asleep in bed when one of my roomates ran in and said "we are under attack" i literally thought we were at war at that moment. i went downstairs to look at the tv with my other three roomates. when i saw what was happening, i thought los angeles would be next and i lived in downtown.
at the time, my gf was pregnant or whatever, and she lived in an apt next to the tallest building in los angeles. i went to pick her up right away.

i then called my grandpa who worked in the city. he said he was fine and that he saw it all.

my friends all started to drink. then we got rowdy and said we were going to go beat up some arabs on campus (usc, i was living down there to be near my gf). we never did.

[MAGICLIT]

I was in Idaho w/ my step-dad at his brothers house getting ready for the return journey to vegas. (my mother, step-dad, and i were in the process of moving to Idaho at the time, we had just gotten done moving a bunch of shit in storage there) Well we're packing up the truck and shit, my Uncle was in town shopping w/ his tribe (he has 6 kids) when my mother called from vegas.

(Now, she was born in raised in Brooklyn, the majority of her family had already moved upstate to Syracuse, but some of my father's family still resides in BK)

She was completely hysterical, almost incomprehensible. Screaming "planes are flying into NY and into the WTC, people are jumping"

Now my mother is a compulsive worry-wart, at the time, I was tying some plywood down in the back of the dodge. I handed the phone over to my step-dad and continued. He said he'd call her back in 5 minutes because we were busy. Then my Uncle comes flying doen the dirt road, screeches to a halt and relays the same thing but a little more clearly "we are being attacked, the bishop (we were in Mormon country) said we should stock up on canned goods and get candles, I'm going to get my guns from my safe"

right there, I called my mother. I was freaked. she was crying and saying maybe we shouldnt come home because it might not be safe (we have an Air Force Base in Vegas, possible target or so we thought at the time)

But me and my step-dad agreed we'd rather be with our family at that moment in time. Now, its an 11 hour drive back to vegas, we left right away. So for 11 hours straight we saw no images, only Tom Brokaw on the radio. that was unsettling. Hearing people screaming, hearing people shout "its coming down, the tower is falling" then "the other tower is gone too"

and to hear the pentagon was fucking attacked really fucking struck a nerve. To say we are #1, superiority in every way, and to hear our defense center was attacked was, to me, unimaginable.

when I got home, I probably watched an hour or a little more of coverage, but by that time I was completely drained and had to sleep. My family in NY was okay, except for some very close family friends who worked in the building, my aunt still to this day cannot talk about it w/out crying uncontrollably.

I will forever remember that day, for me anyway, as the big "wake-up call". No man, woman, child, animal, or COUNTRY is invincible. There is always something, that can rip apart what you consider in your mind "holy"

I pray the victims of that day have found peace in whatever happens after your life ends. Innocence taken is evil at play.

[Carnivorous Flavor]

Originally posted by MAGICLIT:
[QB I was tying some plywood down in the back of the dodge. [/QB]

god damned that got me horny. i like rope.

[underwater]

Originally posted by Carnivorous Flavor:
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[QB I was tying some plywood down in the back of the dodge.

god damned that got me horny. i like rope.[/QB]</font>[/quote]
Okay, Mr. "This Is A Serious Thread".

Anyway... My 9/11 story isn't spectacular or interesting by any means.

I was at school, taking the ISTEP.. For you non-Hoosiers, that's Indiana's state test. Being a sophomore girl in high school, 15 years old, I really hadn't paid any attention to politics or ANYTHING that had to do with the government.

The teacher who was supervising my classroom started walking in and out of the room, talking to another teacher who kept meeting her at the door. This occurence and simply the way the two were acting made the whole classroom start to wonder what the hell was going on..

Finally, after the time was up for the test segment we were on, she told us we were going to take a break and turn on the television because two planes had crashed into the World Trade Center.

To be honest, I had no idea what the WTC was.. I didn't understand what all the fuss was about, until my friend sitting in front of me actually stopped to explain to me the signifigance of what had just happened.

Since then, I've kind of paid a little bit more attention to what's going on in the world.. I think that day marked the beginning of my CNN obsession.

[Carnivorous Flavor]

Originally posted by MAGICLIT:
I'm going to get my guns from my safe

ha! i too woke up to hear the news. I work for myself and had a relatively easy day planned for 9-11-01..we were going to start at 10am.....replace a few doors, trim..easy work, small job.

i awoke at 9 and turned on Howard Stern....they were talking about

a plane hitting the tower....i assumed it was a small cessna type. the BabaBooey came in and said ANOTHER plane hit the other tower..they all ridiculed him, no one believed...i turned on ABC and saw the towers burning.

i assumed the first crash was an accident, an d the second was a news helicopter or something...someone surveying the first tower.....then the pentagon was hit and there was still another plane under control by terrorists.

i live close to NYC..on the Long Island Sound...i imagine d the worst case scenario...more attacks on NYC, people with bombs and rocket launchers executing their plans and escaping to freedom....i was living about 3/4 mile from the beach at that time.......i opened my safe, took out my gear, and drove to th ebeach, to see if i could see the smoke. I walked out onto our pier (the farthest point from shore so i could see down the L.I. Sound) and was talking to my now wife.....that was when she told me the first tower fell. I remember a fisherman asking for an update, and telling him th e first tower collapsed. he had a strange look on his face, almost like he felt guilty he was fishing while this went on.....i left ASAP and went back to the TV to keep current.

luckily the terror ended with Flight 93 going down in a n empty field. Those passengers definately brought that plane down, either by their own hands on the controls in a struggle, pressuring th e terrorists so that they did it themselves rather than be caught, or by simply opening the hatch and decompressing the cabin, "sinking" it.....they knew the plane was going to be used a s a weapon.

heros.

[Beebs]

Good point Carn, it has definatly changed the way people are taught to handle hijackers on airplanes. Pre 9/11 the standard procedure was to let them have it (which I always thought was dumb), now we follow the lead of airlines such as El Al, the Israeli airline, and if somebody tries anything suspicious, kill them.