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BrassMonkees · 09-24-2003, 04:26 PM

I've been thinking lately, how long does america have left? Honestly, all great civilizations have collapsed after around 200 years. Now, grant it, I'm not the biggest history buff in the world, but i think this is true. Now America has been a world power for about 200 years. Look at where we are in society, financially especially. I'm also pretty sure that all great nations who are in a large amount of debt have crumbled as well. I dont know, just seems like american is going to be in a world of hurt within the next 50 years or so. Not just crime or whatever, but just supporting all of our endeavors. Terrorism, wars, eduaction, power..all of it. We keep writing checks we can't cash...

Ugly Bastard · 09-24-2003, 04:36 PM

Yeah, I'd give us six days at the most.

-Ugly Bastard

Osiris · 09-24-2003, 04:43 PM

The Roman Republic lasted from 509–59 BC.

The Roman Empire lasted from 59 BC to 476 AD, when the Vandals deposed the Emperor.

Temujin (Genghis) made Khan of Mongol Horde in 1183... the Empire begins to demishish in 1386.

The Macedonian Empire flourished under Alexander, but really didn't last more than 30 years (332 BC to 305 BC).

In 1299, the Ottomans began a vast empire which was lead by an unbroken chain of succesion via the House of Osman until 1922, when a loss in WWI ended the empire and began the modern Turkish state.

So, where exactly are you pulling this "great civilizations have collapsed around 200 years" thing from?

I think we still have a good amount of time left.

ProfessorNumber · 09-24-2003, 06:45 PM

Well, so long as I'm dead before the U.S. collapses, I really don't care.

Schroeder · 09-24-2003, 06:49 PM

Yeah, Ancient civilizations died out because they were just that: Ancient. Our modern society is more capable and ready of taking care of most any problem compared to a civilization in the B.C.'s.

Ugly Bastard · 09-24-2003, 07:25 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Schroeder:
Yeah, Ancient civilizations died out because they were just that: Ancient. Our modern society is more capable and ready of taking care of most any problem compared to a civilization in the B.C.'s.

Schroeder, that's a really stupid comment. They didn't collapse because they were "ancient", in fact, they were quite current at the time of their collapse. They only seem ancient now, several hundred years later.

-Ugly Bastard

Schroeder · 09-24-2003, 08:18 PM

Understood, U.B.. But even if they were current for their time (an oxymoron in it's own right), they were still not prepared for as many problems as we are. Most ancient civilizations were destroyed by things like disease and famine, something I can't see happening to the United States any time soon.

victim · 09-24-2003, 08:37 PM

We've definately got some time on the clock still. All the whining about the economy, and everything else we're facing right now are incredibly minute and miniscule problems compared to those faced by other civilizations. National debt is no big deal, our economy is nowhere near broke, and is not on the brink of collapse. If the end comes any time soon it will not be economic, but probably be incredibly messy and ugly, and we'll probably take everyone on earth down with us. It's the American way!

Schroeder: One day, the children/aliens/robots will laugh at how inept we were at dealing with the problems that destroyed us.

Mister Bater · 09-24-2003, 09:50 PM

I would like to point out that while the city known as Rome was conquered in 476 A.D., the empire lasted until the 15th century (1453 A.D.). Constantinople was named the new capitol of the Roman Empire well before Rome fell. Just thought I'd throw that in there to completely destroy this 200 years bullshit.

victim · 09-24-2003, 10:35 PM

It's not like we've been this powerful for the term of our existence, either. The British essentially burnt down Washington in 1812. Remember the Civil War? Yeah, that sucked. World War 1? We were practically a joke.

We're young.

[ September 24, 2003, 08:36 PM: Message edited by: victim ]

Demitri · 09-24-2003, 11:00 PM

Man just think about it! In the last 10 years We have only been in the postitve in our yearly budget like 2 times and that is just barely. All the others have been negitive. Then mix that we always import more then we export. Were are we getting all the money?

[ September 25, 2003, 06:54 PM: Message edited by: Demitri ]

Pliedes · 09-24-2003, 11:05 PM

Been positive in spending? What is that supposed to mean? No wonder you don't have a good grasp on economics.

And get a new avatar, Brass had it long before you.

[ September 24, 2003, 09:16 PM: Message edited by: Pliedes ]

Ugly Bastard · 09-25-2003, 12:10 AM

And so long as we're talking about that avatar; it's really gay, why don't both of you lose it?

-Ugly Bastard

Orgazmo · 09-25-2003, 12:16 AM

No kidding. I made the dancing banana an option as a joke...and now there are mini-wars over it. Jews.

StabMaster Arson · 09-25-2003, 12:46 AM

I think the dancing banana will be the downfall of the american empire.

Combat Chuck · 09-25-2003, 03:57 AM

I think it already is.

Osiris · 09-25-2003, 05:28 PM

Where is brass? I still want to know where he is pulling his numbers from.

09-24-2003, 04:26 PM	#1 (permalink)
BrassMonkees Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: winona lake Posts: 840 Internets: 10	I've been thinking lately, how long does america have left? Honestly, all great civilizations have collapsed after around 200 years. Now, grant it, I'm not the biggest history buff in the world, but i think this is true. Now America has been a world power for about 200 years. Look at where we are in society, financially especially. I'm also pretty sure that all great nations who are in a large amount of debt have crumbled as well. I dont know, just seems like american is going to be in a world of hurt within the next 50 years or so. Not just crime or whatever, but just supporting all of our endeavors. Terrorism, wars, eduaction, power..all of it. We keep writing checks we can't cash...
	neither here nor there...

09-24-2003, 06:45 PM	#4 (permalink)
ProfessorNumber Senior Member Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 1,215 Internets: 3373	Well, so long as I'm dead before the U.S. collapses, I really don't care.
	Smoke a cigarette and lie some more -- These conversations kill.

09-24-2003, 08:37 PM	#8 (permalink)
victim Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 985 Internets: 10	We've definately got some time on the clock still. All the whining about the economy, and everything else we're facing right now are incredibly minute and miniscule problems compared to those faced by other civilizations. National debt is no big deal, our economy is nowhere near broke, and is not on the brink of collapse. If the end comes any time soon it will not be economic, but probably be incredibly messy and ugly, and we'll probably take everyone on earth down with us. It's the American way! Schroeder: One day, the children/aliens/robots will laugh at how inept we were at dealing with the problems that destroyed us.
	get off my internet!!!

09-24-2003, 10:35 PM	#10 (permalink)
victim Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 985 Internets: 10	It's not like we've been this powerful for the term of our existence, either. The British essentially burnt down Washington in 1812. Remember the Civil War? Yeah, that sucked. World War 1? We were practically a joke. We're young. [ September 24, 2003, 08:36 PM: Message edited by: victim ]
	get off my internet!!!

09-24-2003, 11:00 PM	#11 (permalink)
Demitri Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: In, Posts: 151 Internets: 10	Man just think about it! In the last 10 years We have only been in the postitve in our yearly budget like 2 times and that is just barely. All the others have been negitive. Then mix that we always import more then we export. Were are we getting all the money? [ September 25, 2003, 06:54 PM: Message edited by: Demitri ]
	If you fuck with the Dog, the Dog is going to fuck with you.

09-24-2003, 04:36 PM	#2 (permalink)
Ugly Bastard Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: U.S.A. Posts: 13,643 Internets: 247330	Yeah, I'd give us six days at the most. -Ugly Bastard

09-24-2003, 04:43 PM	#3 (permalink)
Osiris Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 205 Internets: 10	The Roman Republic lasted from 509–59 BC. The Roman Empire lasted from 59 BC to 476 AD, when the Vandals deposed the Emperor. Temujin (Genghis) made Khan of Mongol Horde in 1183... the Empire begins to demishish in 1386. The Macedonian Empire flourished under Alexander, but really didn't last more than 30 years (332 BC to 305 BC). In 1299, the Ottomans began a vast empire which was lead by an unbroken chain of succesion via the House of Osman until 1922, when a loss in WWI ended the empire and began the modern Turkish state. So, where exactly are you pulling this "great civilizations have collapsed around 200 years" thing from? I think we still have a good amount of time left.

09-24-2003, 06:49 PM	#5 (permalink)
Schroeder Unwanted Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 1,543 Internets: -885	Yeah, Ancient civilizations died out because they were just that: Ancient. Our modern society is more capable and ready of taking care of most any problem compared to a civilization in the B.C.'s.

09-24-2003, 08:18 PM	#7 (permalink)
Schroeder Unwanted Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 1,543 Internets: -885	Understood, U.B.. But even if they were current for their time (an oxymoron in it's own right), they were still not prepared for as many problems as we are. Most ancient civilizations were destroyed by things like disease and famine, something I can't see happening to the United States any time soon.

09-24-2003, 09:50 PM	#9 (permalink)
Mister Bater Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 73 Internets: 10	I would like to point out that while the city known as Rome was conquered in 476 A.D., the empire lasted until the 15th century (1453 A.D.). Constantinople was named the new capitol of the Roman Empire well before Rome fell. Just thought I'd throw that in there to completely destroy this 200 years bullshit.

09-24-2003, 11:05 PM	#12 (permalink)
Pliedes Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Puget Sound Posts: 4,594 Internets: 1608	Been positive in spending? What is that supposed to mean? No wonder you don't have a good grasp on economics. And get a new avatar, Brass had it long before you. [ September 24, 2003, 09:16 PM: Message edited by: Pliedes ]

09-25-2003, 12:10 AM	#13 (permalink)
Ugly Bastard Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: U.S.A. Posts: 13,643 Internets: 247330	And so long as we're talking about that avatar; it's really gay, why don't both of you lose it? -Ugly Bastard

09-25-2003, 12:16 AM	#14 (permalink)
Orgazmo COME ON YOU YANKS Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Indiana Posts: 15,733 Internets: 311447	No kidding. I made the dancing banana an option as a joke...and now there are mini-wars over it. Jews.

09-25-2003, 12:46 AM	#15 (permalink)
StabMaster Arson Roscoe P. Coldchain Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Stabbin Cabin Posts: 2,759 Internets: 1425	I think the dancing banana will be the downfall of the american empire.
	LEGALIZE CRIME!

09-25-2003, 03:57 AM	#16 (permalink)
Combat Chuck Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 2,063 Internets: 10	I think it already is.

09-25-2003, 05:28 PM	#17 (permalink)
Osiris Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 205 Internets: 10	Where is brass? I still want to know where he is pulling his numbers from.

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