Who wants to die in Iraq? Anybody else see this coming?

[Ugly Bastard]

I probably should start a new thread for this, but I just found out that Pat Tillman was killed in Afghanistan. Tillman used to be a Safety for the Arizona Cardinals, but quit football so he could serve his country in a time of war. Being an avid football fan, it kinda sucks seeing this dude die, he seemed pretty cool.

-Ugly Bastard

[ April 23, 2004, 12:37 PM: Message edited by: Ugly Bastard ]

[Mr. Blonde]

Originally posted by VOL:
This war and President Bush is going too far. Pat Tillman was killed in Afganistan. In case you don't know he gave up his millions of dollars playing for the Arizona Cardinals. Now I know he volunteered, but this has gone too far. People are getting killed for no reason. This is our generation's Vietnam. With all the talk of a possible draft, and the election coming up, we don't need stuff like this. I hate wars and President Bush for not getting us completely out of all this. I just want to state that George needs not to be re-elected if he thinks he's going to keep us in this war for the next 4 years. All of his quotes about "their sacrifices do not go without notice" are absolute bull. He doesn't care. Bush is throwing lives away. I have had enough, and so should you. We need to bring about change in a peaceful way.

[Ugly Bastard]

Ah gotchya...I don't read most of VOL's posts, so that could be my problem.

-Ugly Bastard

[f3lix]

I definatly don't want to stop the political war on this thread, but Rumsfield said this...

Rumsfeld Sees No Need for Military Draft

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By ROBERT BURNS, AP Military Writer

WASHINGTON - The Bush administration sees no need to reinstate the military draft, but it is pushing for improved Pentagon (news - web sites) management of the 1.4 million-strong force in order to meet wartime needs, Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld said Thursday.

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"I don't know anyone in the executive branch of the government who believes it would be appropriate or necessary to reinstitute the draft," Rumsfeld told the Newspaper Association of America's annual convention.

Some in Congress have questioned whether the long-term nature of the global war on terrorism might require a return to the system of military conscription that was abandoned in 1973.

Sen. Chuck Hagel, R-Neb., on Wednesday raised the possibility that compulsory military service might be necessary. The nation is engaged "in a generational war here against terrorism," Hagel said. "It's going to require resources."

"Should we continue to burden the middle class who represents most all of our soldiers, and the lower-middle class?" Hagel said. "Should we burden them with the fighting and the dying if in fact this is a generational — probably 25-year — war?"

Rumsfeld did not address the issue of burden-sharing, except to say the old system of conscription had "a lot of difficulties," including loopholes that permitted many to avoid being drafted.

He said the military simply does not need to abandon its all-volunteer approach.

"We have a relatively small military. We have been very successful in recruiting and retaining the people we need," he said. Although the military is strained by its commitments in Iraq (news - web sites) and elsewhere, it is working on ways to get more combat power out of the existing force, he said.

The Army, for example, is reorganizing to increase the number of combat brigades from 33 to as many as 48 over the next several years. And the Pentagon is finding ways to pull troops out of jobs that could be done by civilian Defense Department workers or government contractors, thus freeing more troops for combat-related duties.

[Dr. Seuss]

Originally posted by the Butcher:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Dr. Seuss:
...but I'm not worried at all.

Neither would I if I was a fat teenage bitch. However, being that I'm a male who will legally by able to be drafted, I do worry. I worry that there won't be enough sand niggers to kill.</font>[/quote]Hahaha.

1.) The fact that I'm fat wouldn't get me off the hook. 2.) The fact that I'm female wouldn't get me off the hook. 3.) The fact that I'm a whole 1-2 years younger than you would mean nothing unless the draft was only for a couple of years. Last time I read something about the draft, it would be for Spring/Summer of 2005, which means in less than a year I'd be 18, so age probably wouldn't be that big of a deal.

The reason I said I wasn't worried was because I didn't think it would happen, anyway, not because chances are I wouldn't get drafted. I don't think it's likely to happen. I'm pretty sure I made that obvious in my last post, so why you quoted my post in relation to what you said is beyond me.

Originally posted by Dr. Seuss:
2.) The fact that I'm female wouldn't get me off the hook.

Please tell me you are kidding.
I hope you aren't that ignorant.

[ April 23, 2004, 05:29 PM: Message edited by: DJ FC ]

[Dr. Seuss]

Um, yeah, believe it or not I've read that females are getting drafted if a draft is to be reinstated. Go to www.congress.gov (or if that's not right, do a search) and you'll see that they will be eligible for drafting. I don't really know if you meant anything else by that, but if you did then I guess I'm ignorant.

EDIT: here's the quickest thing I could find http://www.congress.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c108:H.R.163: . Once again, if you meant something else by that, then I guess ignore this.

[ April 23, 2004, 07:02 PM: Message edited by: Dr. Seuss ]

[yardobeef]

i take paxil for anxiety disorder, military is a no go for me, brah