Farenheit 9/11

[Niger Angelus]

Ok, Bush more than anything will be gone come November. Kerry will then in office. I give you one year; tell me what you think of him in one year. Then I give you to the last year of his term, tell me what you think of him then. If anything remotely important takes place in this country between those two points, I am sure you will bitch all the same about how he fucked us all over. Mind you, the president doesn't make every decision alone. Actually, I am quite sure he doesn't make any decision on his own bias.

[St. Anky]

Originally posted by the Butcher:

Most definitely. Quit your bitching and live with the fact that you may not agree with the president, but he's still the leader of the country and he's still more powerful than you'll ever be.

I take it you have that attitude towards things because of your inability to do anything when your father used to ram his diddle stick up your ass. Otherwise, I find no reason to understand that sort of reasoning.

[underwater]

Originally posted by DJ FC:
As one one news reporter put it ( I don't remember who, and it wasn't on Fox News anyway,) "to expect fairness from Farenheit 9/11 is like expecting healthy food from a fast food drive through"

you can order a salad at a McDonald's drive-thru

[yardobeef]

yeah, and the news isnt biased either...

(cough)bullshit(cough)

[BarryJive]

Moore makes a good point.

"...please know the following: Every single fact I state in "Fahrenheit 9/11" is the absolute and irrefutable truth. This movie is perhaps the most thoroughly researched and vetted documentary of our time. No fewer than a dozen people, including three teams of lawyers and the venerable one-time fact-checkers from The New Yorker went through this movie with a fine-tooth comb so that we can make this guarantee to you. Do not let anyone say this or that isn't true. If they say that, they are lying. Let them know that the OPINIONS in the film are mine, and anyone certainly has a right to disagree with them. And the questions I pose in the movie, based on these irrefutable facts, are also mine. And I have a right to ask them. And I will continue to ask them until they are answered."

[the Butcher]

Originally posted by St. Anky:
I take it you have that attitude towards things because of your inability to do anything when your father used to ram his diddle stick up your ass. Otherwise, I find no reason to understand that sort of reasoning.

Wow, how original. The only reason you tried a personal attack on me is because you know that what I said is right, and being the ass-fucking wetback that you are, you hid under a false sense of security by trying for a low blow. You pathetic little bitch, two can play this game.

[ July 05, 2004, 03:03 PM: Message edited by: the Butcher ]

[yardobeef]

Originally posted by the Butcher:

Most definitely. Quit your bitching and live with the fact that you may not agree with the president, but he's still the leader of the country and he's still more powerful than you'll ever be.


Wow, how original. The only reason you tried a personal attack on me is because you know that what I said is right, and being the ass-fucking wetback that you are, you hid under a false sense of security by trying for a low blow. You pathetic little bitch, two can play this game.

butcher, you just sound stupid and weak as someone who takes what is handed to them without question or contest and will follow the herd over a cliff. its unbelievable that people will find justification of a person's actions just because of the position they hold. try thinking for yourself, but if it hurts...keep thinking, maybe then you will die and we can evolve around here.

[ July 05, 2004, 09:58 PM: Message edited by: yardobeef ]

[Niger Angelus]

...into what? Perfection? Sorry, that isn't going to happen. The only way you are going to change what is happening to make yourself happy is to do the job yourself. So run for president, and shut the fuck up. Jesus H Christ.

[yardobeef]

i said nothing about perfection, im quite aware the idea of a eutopia does not and cannot exist. and running for president is absolutely not the way to change things. politics are garbage, and people like george bush only make things worse. but people can change to "make (themselves) happy", and the path to this state of mind lies in your mislead rebuttle. the idea of me running for president completely contradicts my last statement.

Think...For...Yourself

I thought people could get on this forum and have wholesome, beneficial, and intellectual conversations with one another. Sometimes people make it sound more like a place to talk shit and argue about irrelevant issues.

[ July 06, 2004, 11:07 PM: Message edited by: yardobeef ]

[Niger Angelus]

You are one of the people whom started bitching.

Stop...Get your dildo out your hippy ass...and Fuck off.

[ July 06, 2004, 11:40 PM: Message edited by: Niger Angelus ]

[the Butcher]

Originally posted by yardobeef:
i said nothing about perfection, im quite aware the idea of a eutopia does not and cannot exist. and running for president is absolutely not the way to change things. politics are garbage, and people like george bush only make things worse. but people can change to "make (themselves) happy", and the path to this state of mind lies in your mislead rebuttle. the idea of me running for president completely contradicts my last statement.

Think...For...Yourself

Wow, great comeback. Where'd you get it? Anti-Flag? You're trying to use big words and intellectual sounding phrases to make yourself sound smarter than you truly are. Your attempts to try to prove "facts" are, to quote you, garbage. You're entire existence screams nothing but "i think i know the best way to run the country even though i'm a piece of shit who doesn't know jack shit about the world around me, except for what i'm told to believe by the rebellious, anti-what's accepted fucks who try to sound smart.

You say that I am like a herd that wanders over a cliff, or some bullshit like that. I'm glad you like to think that you have figured me out through a mere few sentence post. When you pull your ego-filled head out of your ass, tell me. Maybe then we can have a real coversation without trying to make ourselves sound truly greater than we are.

[yardobeef]

wow butcher, just wow, thats great. what are we in fifth fucking grade again? youre pathetic. youre right, I did assume that i was smarter than you, but you alone. you just helped me justify that assumption. by the way, maybe if you did have half a brain, you would realize there is nothing "rebellious" about being your own person and when in a DEMOCRACY the power is in the hands of the people. i dont want to converse with you anymore. there is no conversation. you complain, constantly swear (which by the way is a characteristic of someone with a very limited vocabulary), and make assumptions when I made none. I have the smallest ego of anyone i know, but i do know this, you are beneath me and that is sad.

[ July 07, 2004, 03:28 PM: Message edited by: yardobeef ]

[Mr. Blonde]

Ok, so i saw this movie tonight, and it was pretty...thought provoking to say the least. Now what i say in here may have to do with what has already been said in this thread, and that's probably because i didnt read all of the other shit, because most of it seems to be you guys bitching about what party or view is better.

Now I have never been a very political person, and due to me turning 18 about two weeks after the last election, i couldnt vote then. I'm not going to say anything about the film really, except that I think everyone should see it. Sure, maybe you hate michael moore, because you don't think he makes valid points, or he's fat, or some other lame excuse. But I am going to say that the film made me aware of how oblivious people can be, mainly people like me who are apathetic in regard to the state of the nation and current events/politics. If you are an avid Bush-supporter, i still recommend that you see the film, because if you are a true supporter it won't sway you.

I am doing research now to see how true Moore's statements made in the film are. Either way, no matter how biased you guys think it is, there is real information that can't be forged or manipulated that you should still see.

[ July 07, 2004, 10:55 PM: Message edited by: Mr. Blonde ]

[underwater]

Originally posted by yardobeef:
you complain, constantly swear (which by the way is a characteristic of someone with a very limited vocabulary)...

i fucking hate people who say bullshit like that. because that's what it is, bullshit.

the butcher is an EXTREMELY intelligent person. what do you think of orgazmo? he swears, and he's proven to us many times that he is no dipshit. fruit and i swear a lot sometimes when we hang out.. and not to be riding on any sort of high horse or anything, but the two of us have pretty "large vocabularies", and i don't mean put together.

in closing, don't pull shit out of your ass just to make yourself look smarter. it just ends up making you look like a dick. if you're going to try and insult someone, go about it some other way.

http://www.davekopel.com/Terror/Fift...enheit-911.htm

I still havn't seen the film yet, but I plan to see it w/ a grain of salt.

[St. Anky]

[quote]Originally posted by underwater:

Originally posted by yardobeef:
[qb] don't pull shit out of your ass just to make yourself look smarter. it just ends up making you look like a dick. if you're going to try and insult someone, go about it some other way.

How about I rape your nasty ass and tell everyone you had it coming?

[BarryJive]

http://www.michaelmoore.com/warroom/f911notes/
...who do you believe? I personally believe the person who has a history of standing up for the common man and being the voice of the unheard and ignored. Someone is lying, and Miramax would lose millions and millions of dollars if it were Michael Moore...What does this guy who posts on the internet have to lose by lying? Nothing.

It is also worth noting that michael moore's quite expansive list of sources used in the movie are published on the internet for all to read.

http://www.michaelmoore.com/warroom/f911notes/

[ July 11, 2004, 10:19 PM: Message edited by: BarryJive ]

[Ugly Bastard]

I've read very little of this thread, and have not seen the movie...with that being said:

I really hope this movie is a little more trustworthy than Bowling for Columbine. He stretched a lot of truths and made a lot of illusions in that film, albeit incredibly entertaining.

I wish Moore would lose a few pounds and get a hot girl or something, because I can't resist the temptation to think of him as a bitching-liberal-faggy-whale in the movies of his that I have seen.

Anywho, yada-yada, I hope this one is a good film.

-Ugly Bastard

[underwater]

Originally posted by St. Anky:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by underwater:

How about I rape your nasty ass and tell everyone you had it coming?</font>

how about you learn how to make a post without looking like a dumbass.

[f3lix]

I saw the film and while it creates some interesting questions, Mr. Moore was extremely biased in what points he was trying to get across. It's a good documentary, but he doesn't present both sides to the arguments and leaves his unanswered questions hanging in the air.

Also, Yardo, what was Bush suppossed to do about being informed of possible terrorist attacks in the US? Even the preventative measures the US Gov't uses now are against the Constitution; do you think they could have gotten away with this crap before 9/11? Didn't think so. 9/11 was the greatest thing to ever happen for Big Brother.

It's about lies or truths. As far as we can tell, F911 is 100% "true," but many things are taken way out of context.