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Percipere'Chan · 09-25-2004, 04:47 PM

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Originally posted by Beebs:
Nothing adds to the debate like overstated claims and blanket statements.

Ha! Debate. I've only seen three maybe four posts out of a current twenty-eight that looked anything like someone supporting an argument or making justifable assertions, but yeah, if you want to make it a debate that works for me.

DJ FC,
Didn't bother to read your post 'cause the thread didn't look like a debate, but it's good to see someone is putting some thought into it. You strike me as a more liberal dude too, so your support of his intelligence is all the more interesting.

Beebs,
Victim,
I think verbal communication skills are one of the most important attributes of a presidential candidate. George doesn't seem to have 'em. Do you think he does and just gets a bad wrap? Or are communication skills just not a priority on your list?

Beebs · 09-25-2004, 05:13 PM

Well communication is a pretty broad term, I think it's pretty clear that he needs some work on public speaking and should keep a dictionary handy more often, but he does seem to communicate very well with the average person, mostly because the average person is of...well...average intelligence.

[ September 25, 2004, 03:14 PM: Message edited by: Beebs ]

Percipere'Chan · 09-25-2004, 06:31 PM

I just have to wonder, if he's that bad at public speaking (I think it's far beyond 'needing work'), how well does he communicate with people of higher than average intelligence? Condoleeza Rice for example.

victim · 09-26-2004, 12:20 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Percipere'Chan:
Beebs,
Victim,
I think verbal communication skills are one of the most important attributes of a presidential candidate. George doesn't seem to have 'em. Do you think he does and just gets a bad wrap? Or are communication skills just not a priority on your list?

Oh, my intent was never to get involved with this "debate" as Beebs stated it... but, to answer your question, yes, verbal communication skills are vital, and no, President Bush, doesn't not seem to possess them for the most part. I don't think he's a brilliant individual, but the claims of his stupidity are just baseless and silly remarks (spawned by satirists for the most part and then, somehow, generally assumed to be true)... he's just not that great at public speaking, get the man off a script and he bumbles and butchers to a terrifying degree. Then, when he is on script, his speeches are usally dreadful, empty spews of talking points and rhetoric ("stay the course", anyone?). That we are subtly being fed propaganda from every blowhole on the right (and people are eating it right up) is signifcantly more alarming to me than the notion that our President may just be a functional retard (as some seem to believe).

Then, on the other hand: John Kerry. Unfortunately, if any of you are paying attention, you'd see that when placed in front of a microphone, the man is just as aloof as Bush, and in some cases, worse off. Kerry's ability to communicate is also heavily impeded by his awkwardness in front of people. He is, I would argue, a worse public speaker. He comes off as one of those sorts of people who enjoys having power and influence, but would do it without ever getting before a group of people and making a speech or fielding questions if he could. That's just how he appears to work. He can't strike a chord with people, and he can't pass off the "regular guy" persona, but he tries anyway, and fails miserably (usually making the situation much worse, and comical, than if he would just stick to who he is...). As such, it's hard to see Kerry being able to really win this election (or any other theoretical one you can put him in) on anything other than the Anti-Bush platform. That's it. If it wasn't for Bush, John Kerry could never get even this far. Objectively, he's not a viable candidate.

Right now, I really can't stand either (for reasons mentioned here, and many more left unsaid), and it pisses me off to such a excessive degree that I live in the USA, the "great bastion and bringer of democracy" in the world, and I'm restrained to voting between two people that I don't want to be president (and don't get all third-party on me right now either, let's be honest...).

Dear God, it's 10:30 on a Saturday night at Notre Dame after a football win... I'm supposed to be drinking right now.

underwater · 09-26-2004, 04:24 AM

oh. don't worry. i go to ball state. how many times have i been drunk this school year? zero.

Percipere'Chan · 09-26-2004, 09:32 AM

Victim,
Well said my man. I think the debate of bush's intelligence is... well, I don't see the debate doing anyone any real good. And I'd never heard Kerry's inadequacies public speaking summed up that well. I think he does have some serious trouble too. More importantly,

Notre Dame did win yesterday. Boo YehA!
(Hope the drinking went well).

underwater,
someone up there needs to get you drunk more.
(or at least tipsy-inebreated. [was never a fan of drunk myself]. It's college. You only get one... 'shot'?)

underwater · 09-26-2004, 03:40 PM

there should be a nubblies party at ball state, and we could all get drunk, or tipsy (which i like better as well)

wee.

oh, and to CONTRIBUTE to the thread (because some people around here are being so anal about that lately)... i'm just not going to vote. i know a lot of people think that's damn stupid, and it might be, but i don't see any reason for me to do it. first of all, they both seem pretty obnoxious and highly unworthy of presidency to me. second of all, i haven't been paying a ton of attention to politics lately and don't really plan to (because it seems so damn hopeless), and i'd be making an uneducated vote. thirdly, i tend to lean toward libertarianism (haha i hope that's a word) which just makes kerry and bush look much worse to me.

besides, if every dumbass like me voted, well.. that just wouldn't be good.

farawayfromhere · 09-26-2004, 08:21 PM

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Originally posted by underwater:
oh, and to CONTRIBUTE to the thread

There that's more like it. I think she's got the hang of it!

underwater · 09-27-2004, 01:41 AM

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Originally posted by farawayfromhere:
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oh, and to CONTRIBUTE to the thread

There that's more like it. I think she's got the hang of it!</font>[/quote]ha.. ha... hahahahaha...

oh fuck. i didn't contribute.

St. Anky · 11-17-2004, 04:45 PM

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Originally posted by underwater:
...besides, if every dumbass like me voted, well.. that just wouldn't be good.

you have a damn good point there.

09-25-2004, 06:31 PM	#28 (permalink)
Percipere'Chan Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: My Machine Posts: 460 Internets: -238	I just have to wonder, if he's that bad at public speaking (I think it's far beyond 'needing work'), how well does he communicate with people of higher than average intelligence? Condoleeza Rice for example.
	Dead, death, grim on a pale horse, empty, hollow, inanimate, fataled, black curtained, annihilated.

09-26-2004, 04:24 AM	#30 (permalink)
underwater Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: indiana Posts: 1,453 Internets: 10	oh. don't worry. i go to ball state. how many times have i been drunk this school year? zero.
	We can dance if we want to, we can leave your friends behind, because your friends don't dance and if they don't dance then they're no friends of mine.

09-26-2004, 09:32 AM	#31 (permalink)
Percipere'Chan Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: My Machine Posts: 460 Internets: -238	Victim, Well said my man. I think the debate of bush's intelligence is... well, I don't see the debate doing anyone any real good. And I'd never heard Kerry's inadequacies public speaking summed up that well. I think he does have some serious trouble too. More importantly, Notre Dame did win yesterday. Boo YehA! (Hope the drinking went well). underwater, someone up there needs to get you drunk more. (or at least tipsy-inebreated. [was never a fan of drunk myself]. It's college. You only get one... 'shot'?)
	Dead, death, grim on a pale horse, empty, hollow, inanimate, fataled, black curtained, annihilated.

09-26-2004, 03:40 PM	#32 (permalink)
underwater Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: indiana Posts: 1,453 Internets: 10	there should be a nubblies party at ball state, and we could all get drunk, or tipsy (which i like better as well) wee. oh, and to CONTRIBUTE to the thread (because some people around here are being so anal about that lately)... i'm just not going to vote. i know a lot of people think that's damn stupid, and it might be, but i don't see any reason for me to do it. first of all, they both seem pretty obnoxious and highly unworthy of presidency to me. second of all, i haven't been paying a ton of attention to politics lately and don't really plan to (because it seems so damn hopeless), and i'd be making an uneducated vote. thirdly, i tend to lean toward libertarianism (haha i hope that's a word) which just makes kerry and bush look much worse to me. besides, if every dumbass like me voted, well.. that just wouldn't be good.
	We can dance if we want to, we can leave your friends behind, because your friends don't dance and if they don't dance then they're no friends of mine.

09-25-2004, 05:13 PM	#27 (permalink)
Beebs Poor Sport Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Indianapolis / Middlebury / Long Lake Posts: 5,306 Internets: 127341	Well communication is a pretty broad term, I think it's pretty clear that he needs some work on public speaking and should keep a dictionary handy more often, but he does seem to communicate very well with the average person, mostly because the average person is of...well...average intelligence. [ September 25, 2004, 03:14 PM: Message edited by: Beebs ]