NBA Playoff Bracket Contest - Page 2 - Nubblies.net Forums

Orgazmo · 05-05-2006, 11:31 AM

No shit they are. Normally I find myself a "don't give a shit" fan during the season, and a "let's watch the highlights if I catch them on" fan during the playoffs; however, this year has turned me into a "let's watch the full game if I catch it on" fan during the playoffs. It's good stuff.

Repugnant Abomination · 05-05-2006, 11:06 PM

Holy crap! Cavs take Wiz in overtime! Another INSANE game! Best playoffs ever~!!!!1234omg!

angry pancake · 05-10-2006, 01:32 AM

Sacramento let Adelman walk. Word around hear since January was that the Maloof bros want Don Nelson to replace him as coach. What kind of crack are they on. Nelson cost Dallas any chance at a championship or two while he was here with his stupid ass moves. Dallas seems to be a much better team one year later by adding --nobody (o.k. Diop). Good luck Sacramento if Nelson gets your gig. This is the guy who traded Jason Kidd for Michael Finley and tried to convert him into a "point-forward" --actually that trade doesn't sound so bad as it did at time. He'll bench Artest for not scoring enough and turn the roster.

Speaking of ex-Mavericks. How in the wide world of fuck does Steve Nash win two MVPs? He's the not as good as he was 4 years ago. Still doesn't play a lick of defense and can't do shit against Tony Parker or Mike Bibby. He's so valuable that the Mavericks replaced him with Jason Terry and won 58 and 60 games since then. Don't get me wrong, he's still a really good player and an all around good guy.

Beebs · 05-10-2006, 01:58 AM

The whole not deserving "2 MVPs" argument doesn't make any sense; last years season and MVP winner should be totally seperate from this season and its MVP. It's like saying a coin is more likely to come up heads the second time if it came up tails the first time, no...they are totally seperate events.

angry pancake · 05-10-2006, 11:48 AM

It does make sense, you just don't understand it. Let me try again. I don't think Steve Nash deserved the first MVP. I think Steve Nash didn't deserve the second MVP. I don't think he's as good as he was 4 years ago, but now he's winning MVP awards because he switched teams.

Nash and Shaq both switched teams during the same off season. Both of their new teams were the number one seed. However, the team Nash left won more games than the season before when he was there. The team Shaq left missed the playoffs. Neither Nash, nor Shaq had their best season that year either.

So, I'm questioning how does a team lose the next year's MVP and improve? It would be easy to explain if that player comes out of nowhere and dramatically improves and wins the MVP award. That didn't happen.

It looks from this angle that the Suns younger players have gotten better two years in a row, while Nash pretty much was the same guy he was in Dallas and that somehow makes him the MVP. Nash seems to have gone from the third best player on his former team to the most valuable player in the league based on the development of his teammates without improving his game.

Repugnant Abomination · 05-10-2006, 01:32 PM

First of all, you're right about Nelson. If he joins the Kings then that team is going to go down fast. With Bonzi and Artest there you need a players coach who knows how to handle those two personalities and someone who will emphasize defense.

Nash winning the MVP is justified because he's putting Magic Johnson like numbers up. He's the motor that makes a very dangerous suns team go, a team that nobody really gave a chance once they heard Amare was going to be out with a knee injury and joe johnson was traded. Then Kurt Thomas got hurt, making their front line incredibly small...Yet somehow...If you watch a lot of Suns games you see just how vital Nash is to his team. The man is average over 10 assists, 18 points, nearly 50% from the field, over 90% from the line...

Now A case could be made for Lebron, Kobe, Dirk and even Brant. I don't wanna hear about Billups though. Either way I think Kobe and Lebron are going to dominate the MVP voting for the next 10 years anyway so they'll get theirs.

angry pancake · 05-10-2006, 05:42 PM

I see what your saying. I've seen Nash play a lot. I've been a Mavs season ticket since the 2000-2001 season. He's an excellent player. I wouldn't want him on my team in the playoffs though. Been there, done that, and saw many get their playoff bests when Nash was sorta guarding them.

Totally think you're right about LeBron and Kobe. If the Lakers don't have Kobe this year, they might not win 15 games. I wouldn't trade any of the guys you mentioned for Nash.

Repugnant Abomination · 05-10-2006, 06:13 PM

The problem is there is no clear definition for what the MVP is. Is he the best player? Is he the biggest asset to his team? Another thing to factor in is overall team success aka your teams record. Phoenix won their division, had a 50+ season in a tough Western conference. What took Kobe out of the running is that A) The media hates him, and B) His Lakers barely slipped into the playoffs. Fair? No...But life isn't fair.

If you were playing a pick up game and picked teams, would you choose Nash over Tim Duncan? It can get tricksy. I do think though that Nash is a better player now then he was in his Mavs days.

The top 5 canidates this year:
Nash
Dirk
Kobe
Lebron
Brant

Any of them could have got the MVP and I would be happy. Some are more deserving, but the point is you can make a valid argument for any of them.

angry pancake · 05-10-2006, 09:30 PM

Good call on Brandt. He's been 20-10 pretty much since day one. Think the Bulls want a do-over on that trade.

Beebs · 05-10-2006, 11:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by angry pancake

It does make sense, you just don't understand it. Let me try again. I don't think Steve Nash deserved the first MVP. I think Steve Nash didn't deserve the second MVP. I don't think he's as good as he was 4 years ago, but now he's winning MVP awards because he switched teams.

I thought you were part of the "such and such great player didn't win 2 consecutive mvp's and they were better than nash" crowd. If you don't think he deserves it because he didnt have a good enough year then my statement doesn't apply to you.

angry pancake · 05-11-2006, 08:20 AM

Beebs, I never even thought of it that way. That doesn't make much sense to me.

The one that really doesn't make sense to me is when people use championships rings as justification for who is the better player. e.g. Kobe is better than Garnett because Kobe has three rings and Garnett has none. By that logic Steve Kerr and Horace Grant are better than Kobe because they each 5 or 6 rings.

f3lix · 05-11-2006, 09:42 PM

All teams with the better record won round 1. Nice pics Repug and UB.

Repug - 8
UB - 8
f3lix - 7
BDH - 7
Gaz - 6

Ugly Bastard · 05-11-2006, 11:14 PM

Are you kidding me?!?! I picked every single first round correctly? Wow, I'm a badass.

Repugnant Abomination · 05-11-2006, 11:51 PM

The Nets could upset the Heat, the Clips could very well beat the Suns and the Mavs could take out the Spurs...I knew I'd get the first round right but this second round has me a little nervous.

Orgazmo · 05-12-2006, 08:02 PM

I made my picks in a way that would give false hope to the rest of you at the beginning.

I'm going to win.

f3lix · 05-16-2006, 01:53 AM

How bout the Cavs? Who saw them holding ground in games 3 and 4? Not this Cavs fan.

angry pancake · 05-16-2006, 10:25 AM

Damn, both the Spurs and Mavs look like they could beat anybody else in playoffs. Great games (3 out 4 anyway), would've been a great NBA finals.

Repugnant Abomination · 05-16-2006, 04:42 PM

Damn, looks like the Mavs are going to take out the Spurs. I had estimated this passing of the torch would come next season, but the Spurs are starting to look old out there.

Orgazmo · 05-17-2006, 02:05 PM

Another titties of a game last night with the Clippers barely falling short to the Suns.

f3lix · 05-17-2006, 02:16 PM

I watched the game through regulation, but couldn't manage to stay awake. I wish I would have.

Repugnant Abomination · 05-17-2006, 02:27 PM

I still can't believe Bell hit that 3

Orgazmo · 05-17-2006, 02:43 PM

No kidding. That was a hell of a shot.

Orgazmo · 05-17-2006, 08:48 PM

Cavs. Oh christ the cavs.

f3lix · 05-17-2006, 10:22 PM

FUCK YES!!!!

Repugnant Abomination · 05-18-2006, 12:06 AM

Wow. I don't think ANYONE thought the cavs would be up 3-2 on the Pistons. Unbelievable!!

Similar Threads
Thread	Thread Starter	Forum	Replies	Last Post
Repug's NBA playoff preview (round 1)	Repugnant Abomination	Sports	5	04-21-2006 03:13 PM
NBA Playoffs Bracket	f3lix	Sports	53	06-27-2005 02:49 PM
Official Nubblies Contest #5: Roadkilling	Orgazmo	Hall of Fame	59	03-22-2004 01:56 PM
Official Nubblies Contest #2: Shameless Promotion	Orgazmo	Hall of Fame	151	11-05-2003 10:51 PM

05-05-2006, 11:31 AM	#26 (permalink)
Orgazmo COME ON YOU YANKS Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Indiana Posts: 15,733 Internets: 311447	No shit they are. Normally I find myself a "don't give a shit" fan during the season, and a "let's watch the highlights if I catch them on" fan during the playoffs; however, this year has turned me into a "let's watch the full game if I catch it on" fan during the playoffs. It's good stuff.

05-05-2006, 11:06 PM	#27 (permalink)
Repugnant Abomination Almost there... Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 5,979 Internets: 164547	Holy crap! Cavs take Wiz in overtime! Another INSANE game! Best playoffs ever~!!!!1234omg!

05-10-2006, 01:58 AM	#29 (permalink)
Beebs Poor Sport Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Indianapolis / Middlebury / Long Lake Posts: 5,306 Internets: 127341	The whole not deserving "2 MVPs" argument doesn't make any sense; last years season and MVP winner should be totally seperate from this season and its MVP. It's like saying a coin is more likely to come up heads the second time if it came up tails the first time, no...they are totally seperate events.

05-10-2006, 01:32 PM	#31 (permalink)
Repugnant Abomination Almost there... Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 5,979 Internets: 164547	First of all, you're right about Nelson. If he joins the Kings then that team is going to go down fast. With Bonzi and Artest there you need a players coach who knows how to handle those two personalities and someone who will emphasize defense. Nash winning the MVP is justified because he's putting Magic Johnson like numbers up. He's the motor that makes a very dangerous suns team go, a team that nobody really gave a chance once they heard Amare was going to be out with a knee injury and joe johnson was traded. Then Kurt Thomas got hurt, making their front line incredibly small...Yet somehow...If you watch a lot of Suns games you see just how vital Nash is to his team. The man is average over 10 assists, 18 points, nearly 50% from the field, over 90% from the line... Now A case could be made for Lebron, Kobe, Dirk and even Brant. I don't wanna hear about Billups though. Either way I think Kobe and Lebron are going to dominate the MVP voting for the next 10 years anyway so they'll get theirs.

05-10-2006, 06:13 PM	#33 (permalink)
Repugnant Abomination Almost there... Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 5,979 Internets: 164547	The problem is there is no clear definition for what the MVP is. Is he the best player? Is he the biggest asset to his team? Another thing to factor in is overall team success aka your teams record. Phoenix won their division, had a 50+ season in a tough Western conference. What took Kobe out of the running is that A) The media hates him, and B) His Lakers barely slipped into the playoffs. Fair? No...But life isn't fair. If you were playing a pick up game and picked teams, would you choose Nash over Tim Duncan? It can get tricksy. I do think though that Nash is a better player now then he was in his Mavs days. The top 5 canidates this year: Nash Dirk Kobe Lebron Brant Any of them could have got the MVP and I would be happy. Some are more deserving, but the point is you can make a valid argument for any of them.

05-11-2006, 09:42 PM	#37 (permalink)
f3lix Gangnam Style Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: DH's Massage Parlor Posts: 6,383 Internets: 213510	All teams with the better record won round 1. Nice pics Repug and UB. Repug - 8 UB - 8 f3lix - 7 BDH - 7 Gaz - 6

05-11-2006, 11:14 PM	#38 (permalink)
Ugly Bastard Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: U.S.A. Posts: 13,643 Internets: 247330	Are you kidding me?!?! I picked every single first round correctly? Wow, I'm a badass.

05-11-2006, 11:51 PM	#39 (permalink)
Repugnant Abomination Almost there... Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 5,979 Internets: 164547	The Nets could upset the Heat, the Clips could very well beat the Suns and the Mavs could take out the Spurs...I knew I'd get the first round right but this second round has me a little nervous.

05-12-2006, 08:02 PM	#40 (permalink)
Orgazmo COME ON YOU YANKS Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Indiana Posts: 15,733 Internets: 311447	I made my picks in a way that would give false hope to the rest of you at the beginning. I'm going to win.

05-16-2006, 01:53 AM	#41 (permalink)
f3lix Gangnam Style Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: DH's Massage Parlor Posts: 6,383 Internets: 213510	How bout the Cavs? Who saw them holding ground in games 3 and 4? Not this Cavs fan.

05-16-2006, 04:42 PM	#43 (permalink)
Repugnant Abomination Almost there... Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 5,979 Internets: 164547	Damn, looks like the Mavs are going to take out the Spurs. I had estimated this passing of the torch would come next season, but the Spurs are starting to look old out there.

05-17-2006, 02:05 PM	#44 (permalink)
Orgazmo COME ON YOU YANKS Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Indiana Posts: 15,733 Internets: 311447	Another titties of a game last night with the Clippers barely falling short to the Suns.

05-17-2006, 02:16 PM	#45 (permalink)
f3lix Gangnam Style Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: DH's Massage Parlor Posts: 6,383 Internets: 213510	I watched the game through regulation, but couldn't manage to stay awake. I wish I would have.

05-17-2006, 02:27 PM	#46 (permalink)
Repugnant Abomination Almost there... Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 5,979 Internets: 164547	I still can't believe Bell hit that 3

05-17-2006, 02:43 PM	#47 (permalink)
Orgazmo COME ON YOU YANKS Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Indiana Posts: 15,733 Internets: 311447	No kidding. That was a hell of a shot.

05-17-2006, 08:48 PM	#48 (permalink)
Orgazmo COME ON YOU YANKS Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Indiana Posts: 15,733 Internets: 311447	Cavs. Oh christ the cavs.

05-17-2006, 10:22 PM	#49 (permalink)
f3lix Gangnam Style Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: DH's Massage Parlor Posts: 6,383 Internets: 213510	FUCK YES!!!!

05-18-2006, 12:06 AM	#50 (permalink)
Repugnant Abomination Almost there... Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 5,979 Internets: 164547	Wow. I don't think ANYONE thought the cavs would be up 3-2 on the Pistons. Unbelievable!!