Full Body Scanners

[Ugly Bastard]

Originally Posted by f3lix

I don't mind the scanners, but what I do mind is not being able to watch my things while I'm being scanned. After being scanned, a TSA officer opened my wallet and thumbed through the cash and credit cards. This SEVERELY bothered me.

FYP

[vaga1220 *]

So what is this about Muslim women being exempt from TSA Screenings?

[angry pancake]

Just went through DFW. No problems except chinks and niggers still don't know how metal detectors work and held the line up.

[Mr. Blonde]

Federal Court Rules That TSA ‘Naked Scans’ Are Constitutional - Kashmir Hill - The Not-So Private Parts - Forbes

Fucking unbelievable. Any Nubblite coward-ass-bitches regularly go through these fucking bullshit machines instead of opting out for the pat down? Both are unconstitutional, but least one offers a semblance of defiance.

Unbelievable.

[Repugnant Abomination]

Okay, let's pump the brakes.

[DJ FC]

Originally Posted by Mr. Blonde

Federal Court Rules That TSA ‘Naked Scans’ Are Constitutional - Kashmir Hill - The Not-So Private Parts - Forbes

Fucking unbelievable. Any Nubblite coward-ass-bitches regularly go through these fucking bullshit machines instead of opting out for the pat down? Both are unconstitutional, but least one offers a semblance of defiance.

Unbelievable.

Uh what?

Maybe I find the pat down more intrusive?

[Mr. Blonde]

Sorry, but it's not. They're expecting passengers to have your mindset -- "This is less trouble, I'll just do it, whatever, just more BS security measures".

But naked scans -- which is exactly what they are -- is a slippery slope, man. I'm far from a conspiracy theorist but the government photographing passengers naked without probable cause, a warrant, is a direct violation of our 4th amendment rights. It's especially an issue because of the TSA instances of abuse in this matter --including your future wife and kids, whose only other option will be an invasive pat down -- is definitely more intrusive than a slightly more aggressive patdown than I would receive at a dangerous nightclub.

Both are fucked, but I have to fly until I can get back home at which point I plan on devoting a large portion of my free time to lobbying against the TSA.

Originally Posted by Mr. Blonde

Both are unconstitutional, but least one offers a semblance of defiance.

[angry pancake]

Um, not a 4th Amendment violation. Neither is customs, nor DUI check points.

[Mr. Blonde]

So as a lawyer, you approve of them, then?

Edit: from wikipedia:

The Fourth Amendment to the United States Constitution states that: “The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.” At a sobriety checkpoint, drivers are necessarily stopped without reasonable suspicion, and may be tested summarily and without probable cause. Thus the Constitution would appear to prohibit people from being stopped without a search warrant or at least without probable cause that they have committed a crime; however, the warrant requirement only attaches should the search be unreasonable and the Supreme Court, as shown below, decided that such stops are not unreasonable under certain circumstances.

"Certain circumstances" being -- whenever the fuck the plutocracy decides the circumstances to warrant it. Exactly why I said fuck everything about the Federal Court ruling in it's favor above. Based on this, until it goes through Supreme Court, it can still technically be ruled as unconstitutional, no?

[angry pancake]

No, I'm not happy about it. Never implied I was. I don't like the random DUI check points either. It's just they are legal as determined by guys who's opinion matters more than mine. Of course I think it's knee jerk reactionary bullshit that won't stop anybody from launching a LAW rocket from outside the airport or stop an inside job or stop somebody with plastic explosives up their ass.

Our government is stupid for the most part and is always going to be a step behind the way they are acting in this area.

The TSA is there, we all know it's there, and we all go through it. That passes muster.

Edit: certain circumstances are generally pre defined criteria. Example. Every third car gets searched at a DUI check point. Or everybody goes through customs this day and all bags get searched. Whatever it is, it had to be consistent. But probable cause gets you busted ever time.

And don't ever fucking use a wiki anything as legal authority.

[Mr. Blonde]

I didn't use it as a legal authority. I used it as a reference. Was the reference incorrect?

[Repugnant Abomination]

Gettin' a little catty in here. I like it.

[thekremlin]

AP's just pissed because until Blonde posted the 4th Amendment, he'd forgotten which one it was. He thought it was "Honor thy Father."

[Ugly Bastard]

Kinda crazy how compulsory these things are now. Everyone herded through one like cattle at LAS the other day.

[Cocktooth]

When I flew out of South Bend, I went through very little security. I had my xm radio in my back with cords and a box, and they didn't even open my bag. Whatever it takes to keep my flight safe, I'm game with.

[Mr. Blonde]

Originally Posted by Cocktooth

I went through very little security. I had my xm radio in my back with cords and a box, and they didn't even open my bag. Whatever it takes to keep my flight safe, I'm game with.

As a single comment, this doesn't make sense at all. You don't care what precautions they take, no matter how invasive, as long as they keep you safe (coughcowardcough), but before that you state that they took practically no precautions.


Also, if you're less concerned about your liberty than your safety, than you don't deserve either one. I think Ben Franklin said something like that. I realize you're exactly the kind of demographic who is easily goaded by terrorist threats and government fear mongering, but I'm sure I don't have to quote the statistics of chances of a plane-hijacking happening to you versus getting hit by a drunk driver.

Introducing -- NEW TSA Addendum 256 -- Immediately in-effect for all US Citizens -- Want to start your car?! Not without taking your TSA in-car breathalyzer test! And remember our motto since 2001 -- "Guilty until proven innocent!"

[SittinOnDubsWGW]

I'll just make sure to have a raging boner the next time I go through a scanner. If it's a hot chick working the scanner, "you liked that, didn't ya?" and throw a wink her way.

[thekremlin]

When we stop having raging boners while going through security, the terrorists have won.

[Cocktooth]

Originally Posted by Mr. Blonde

As a single comment, this doesn't make sense at all. You don't care what precautions they take, no matter how invasive, as long as they keep you safe (coughcowardcough), but before that you state that they took practically no precautions.


Also, if you're less concerned about your liberty than your safety, than you don't deserve either one. I think Ben Franklin said something like that. I realize you're exactly the kind of demographic who is easily goaded by terrorist threats and government fear mongering, but I'm sure I don't have to quote the statistics of chances of a plane-hijacking happening to you versus getting hit by a drunk driver.

Introducing -- NEW TSA Addendum 256 -- Immediately in-effect for all US Citizens -- Want to start your car?! Not without taking your TSA in-car breathalyzer test! And remember our motto since 2001 -- "Guilty until proven innocent!"

It only takes once. You guys just need to find something to bitch about at all times. Who gives a fuck if someone touches your leg. Who cares if you go through a body scanner. You don't have to fly. Take a fucking train if you don't like it. You have plenty of travel options at your disposal. Flying is a privledge, not a right.

[Beebs]

Originally Posted by Mr. Blonde

Federal Court Rules That TSA ‘Naked Scans’ Are Constitutional - Kashmir Hill - The Not-So Private Parts - Forbes

Fucking unbelievable. Any Nubblite coward-ass-bitches regularly go through these fucking bullshit machines instead of opting out for the pat down? Both are unconstitutional, but least one offers a semblance of defiance.

Unbelievable.

How is one being more of a pussy than the other? I really don't care if they want dick shots; putting aside the liberties issue, since one isn't really any worse than they other in that sense.

[Beebs]

Originally Posted by Mr. Blonde

As a single comment, this doesn't make sense at all. You don't care what precautions they take, no matter how invasive, as long as they keep you safe (coughcowardcough), but before that you state that they took practically no precautions.


Also, if you're less concerned about your liberty than your safety, than you don't deserve either one. I think Ben Franklin said something like that. I realize you're exactly the kind of demographic who is easily goaded by terrorist threats and government fear mongering, but I'm sure I don't have to quote the statistics of chances of a plane-hijacking happening to you versus getting hit by a drunk driver.

Introducing -- NEW TSA Addendum 256 -- Immediately in-effect for all US Citizens -- Want to start your car?! Not without taking your TSA in-car breathalyzer test! And remember our motto since 2001 -- "Guilty until proven innocent!"

I understand your objections, although the intensity is quite surprising, what system would you implement if you came to power?

Not some sort of snide comment either, trying to think of some solutions.

[f3lix]

I was pissed when they took my wallet and fanned through it, pulled out my credit cards, sorted through them and sifted through my cash.

[THEINCREDIBLEdork]

Originally Posted by f3lix

I was pissed when they took my wallet and fanned through it

Yet you let guys put scopes up your asshole like its an open art gallery.

[f3lix]

Originally Posted by Mr. Mistoffelees

Yet you let guys put scopes up your asshole like its an open art gallery.

Don't be jealous. Everything can be had for a price.

[DJ FC]

Originally Posted by Cocktooth

It only takes once. You guys just need to find something to bitch about at all times. Who gives a fuck if someone touches your leg. Who cares if you go through a body scanner. You don't have to fly. Take a fucking train if you don't like it. You have plenty of travel options at your disposal. Flying is a privledge, not a right.

I thought AP cleared this one up: flying is a constitutional right, no?

AP I'm confused.