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Jake · 11-19-2002, 01:01 AM

Here another problem i have with christiany, it stems from homosexuality but i think its a good point. Is it possible for loving someone to be sin. If so then send me straight to hell for i wont be condemmed for merly loving someone. Im sure you guys would agree if you were in my position and the pervailing religion told you that loving women was a sin.. anyways i really dont want to start the whole gay fight again. rather i just wanted to pose questions about christianity in gen.

11-19-2002, 01:02 AM

Basicaly I don't read half the stuff anyone writes on this forum anymore b/c it's all stupid.

People I don't read - Nutcracker, Jake, Victim, Joe Bang a clit, Rudy, Victim, Brassmonkies, Titan, OneHugeBastard, Buckeye(not that you're dumb, but you're posts are too long and do not concern me), anyone else i forgot if you're a moron i probably dont read it.

People I do read - Orgazmo, Active, Lethal, Ugly Bastard, Toungegina, Niger, thats about it too, if i forgot you, I"m sorry.

BrassMonkees · 11-19-2002, 01:03 AM

yes, thou shall not kill is one of them

so is thou shall not lie

everyone struggles and no one is perfect, i will be the first to admit that. and yes many agree with the war. im not really sure what my stance is on war as a whole, right now im leaning more towards the pacifist side of the issue i guess. in the end, with the war i believe we should have it. in order to save lives, some must be lost. its either they get stopped, or WW3 could break out.

and im not familiar with conservative christians being the biggest fan of the death pentalty. i believe that for the liberals. which is why bush goes against his party on that view

Titan · 11-19-2002, 01:05 AM

all good answers i think brass.

if i were to believe in a one central god, higher-being type thing, i'd say that there probably is just one and all religions are just different tales of the exact same thing, kind of like rumours or folk tales get twisted as more and more people add to it and as time goes on.

but that's if i could, as the human that i am, fathom the idea of one central highest power being who can do anything and everything and popped out of nowhere or has existed forever (can't comprehend infinity either). that's why i don't spend to much time with religion, if i can't comprehend God and know that He exists, then I'm not going to live my life by rules that humans say He came up with. <-- it was hard to type that without sounding mean about it, but that's not what i'm doing, just continuing my side of the conversation

BrassMonkees · 11-19-2002, 01:06 AM

loving someone is far from being a sin. it is instead a founding principle in christianity. love thy neighbor as yourself. that certaintly not a sin. however if that love stems from a pervision, thats when the line is crossed.

i do appreciate those who read my posts. they are long and you might not agree, but i take time to read yours, so i would appreciate the same respect.

buckeye, even though we differ on colleges, you seem pretty cool and offer good posts

buckeye · 11-19-2002, 01:07 AM

nutcracker, i am tired of you posting on here, the annoyance level is intollerable. go play with your dolls, or scrub some toliets, whatever i dont care, just get off this site. Your starting to sound like good "tall pall" says the same things over and over again and no one ever gives a shit.

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Go Bucks!!

Jake · 11-19-2002, 01:09 AM

Brass monkey: im sure that it is possible that everyone in today's digital age have heard the name jesus christ, but take it back a thousand years. when europeans had not even set foot on the western continents. If the native americans, incas, etc. had heard the name jesus at some point then why is their no recollection in their history about it... until europeans arrive and spread the word. If jesus was universal then why does it start in the middle east and spread to europe and then throughout the rest of the world. if god was goin to be fair then he would have told all cultures his name and spread the word to all rather than one. This is why i view religions as mythology and just a way for man to explain his existence. Think about it. it is a lot easier when i a relative dies to say they went to heaven then rather say i dont know what happened to them. I sometimes think our minds have a pshycolgical resonse and just want to what they want to hear. and so religion is created as a shield for the mind to not accept reality.

The Comedian · 11-19-2002, 01:11 AM

Jake-

I feel I speak for most people when I say that we are getting sick of reading your anti-religous views on religion. Go to the rant forum if you have something to say, and quit poisoning this forum with your liberal bull-shit.

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~The Comedian~

Jake · 11-19-2002, 01:13 AM

As far as war to prevent ww3 goes.. wasnt jesus a pacafict and stated turn the other cheek. So shouldnt that be applied to war in gen. Shouldnt christians be willing to die in support of their religion and its values. rater than fight back

BrassMonkees · 11-19-2002, 01:14 AM

titan i respect your opinion and am glad you post it respectfully.

i know where you are coming from, and you hit it on the head. we all are humans and cannot understand eternity or even God himself. if we could then, then we would be gods ourselves. many times i used to think about eternity and it is just far to complicated for me to grasp.

i believe that is where faith comes in. there must be apoint in your life where you think "out of the box" if you will. society today places so much emphasis on proof and science. i find it to be rather sad really.

but think about this, life is a total walk of faith in things you can't understand. i mean take breathing for example. or driving your car, or simply sitting in a desk. all of those things you don't understand or check to make sure they work everytime. instead you have faith that they will work. you body is another example, you don't think "man how do i know when to breath", you just do it.

im hoping you are understanding what im trying to say

Jake · 11-19-2002, 01:14 AM

comedian why dont you go masturbate to some pictures of lesbians. im sure you would find that quite tolerable. i think people are sick of hearing dumbasses rant on about nothing.

Titan · 11-19-2002, 01:15 AM

yeah i always thought jesus was a pretty peacable guy. 'scept that one time when he flipped out at the temple, that was cool. (i was there)... (not really).

buckeye · 11-19-2002, 01:15 AM

give him credit his posts are intelligent and he knows what he is talking about. Its far more tollerable than reading about some shit that a dumbass newbie like nutcracker posts.

The Comedian · 11-19-2002, 01:16 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jake:
i think people are sick of hearing dumbasses rant on about nothing. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hmm, sorta like your last fifteen posts then?

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~The Comedian~

Titan · 11-19-2002, 01:17 AM

amen.

at least we're attempting to have good postings

Jake · 11-19-2002, 01:17 AM

good thoughts brass monkey... this is why im agnostic. for all we know life could be similar to the matrix or some other far fetched thing. I wont to latch on to something but i just dont know what. i need to research more. My biggest fear is that ill never decide and who knows what will happen to me. I guess im just weak on the idea of faith. I dont like to gamble with my life/soul.

The Comedian · 11-19-2002, 01:20 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jake:
I dont like to gamble with my life/soul.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

By being a homosexual, your chances of contracting the HIV virus more than quadruple.

Hmm, hypocrit anyone?

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~The Comedian~

BrassMonkees · 11-19-2002, 01:20 AM

jake

yes christians should be willing to fight and die for their religion. and yes Jesus said to turn the other cheek, but im not really sure how this applies to the middle east. this isn't a christian vs muslim war. and i guess you have to look at the whole picture. if america does nothing, millions more will die.

and as for people using religion as an escape from reality, that is false. you're right it is easier to know that my grandfather is in heaven, but it is difficult for me to think that my uncle is not. and i believe that it is a natural instinct to believe in a higher power and i believe that God made it to be that way. that belief in a higher power, may be all we need to understand in God. again, i don't know all of the answers right now, but i will be sure to look into some of these questions. until then, i encourage you to talk about this to strong christians and listen to what they say about it

Titan · 11-19-2002, 01:21 AM

AAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! !!!!!!!!

[This message has been edited by Titan (edited November 18, 2002).]

Titan · 11-19-2002, 01:23 AM

i was laughing at comedian by the way not you brass

BrassMonkees · 11-19-2002, 01:24 AM

Christ "flipped out" in the temple because people were discracing his father's house. it is like someone coming into your house and burning everything and everyone in it. would you just stand there and watch... i doubt it

jake i know it is difficult to think about religion and having faith. it is probably the hardest thing in life, because it is constantly being tested. but look at it this way, if you die a christian and it is wrong, so be it. you will cease to exist. but if it is right, like i know it is, then look what you get. eternity with God. if anything look into other religions you will se their holes and problems, but when you truly search christianity , you will discover no loop hole, only truth

Jake · 11-19-2002, 01:25 AM

Comedian dont mess with me on gay issues i have done far more research and thought the you will ever... According to cdc statitics(july 1997) hetro sex is the fastest growing mode of transmission for HIV in the U.S. growing at a rate of 15 to 20 percent a year, compared to 5 percent for intravenous drug users and 5 percent for male homo's. lesbians remain the least likely group of people to acquire HIV through sexual contact!

The Comedian · 11-19-2002, 01:26 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jake:
Comedian dont mess with me on gay issues i have done far more research and thought the you will ever... According to cdc statitics(july 1997) hetro sex is the fastest growing mode of transmission for HIV in the U.S. growing at a rate of 15 to 20 percent a year, compared to 5 percent for intravenous drug users and 5 percent for male homo's. lesbians remain the least likely group of people to acquire HIV through sexual contact!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well you just shut me up Jake. I think I'll be gay now so I won't get AIDS!!

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~The Comedian~

Jake · 11-19-2002, 01:28 AM

Brass monkey i also pondered that thought and determined that i would rather believe in a religion because that was what i honestly believed and not to believe in it just out of fear of hell. God is love not fear, i hope

BrassMonkees · 11-19-2002, 01:29 AM

right, God is love.

you will see scripture to "fear God" - don't be confused that is more of a respect and reverence for him.

how intently have you looked into religions. this is the greatest thing you could research. we aren't just talking about life and death. we are talking about souls won and lost. enternity

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11-19-2002, 01:01 AM	#101 (permalink)
Jake Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 148 Internets: 10	Here another problem i have with christiany, it stems from homosexuality but i think its a good point. Is it possible for loving someone to be sin. If so then send me straight to hell for i wont be condemmed for merly loving someone. Im sure you guys would agree if you were in my position and the pervailing religion told you that loving women was a sin.. anyways i really dont want to start the whole gay fight again. rather i just wanted to pose questions about christianity in gen.

11-19-2002, 01:03 AM	#103 (permalink)
BrassMonkees Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: winona lake Posts: 840 Internets: 10	yes, thou shall not kill is one of them so is thou shall not lie everyone struggles and no one is perfect, i will be the first to admit that. and yes many agree with the war. im not really sure what my stance is on war as a whole, right now im leaning more towards the pacifist side of the issue i guess. in the end, with the war i believe we should have it. in order to save lives, some must be lost. its either they get stopped, or WW3 could break out. and im not familiar with conservative christians being the biggest fan of the death pentalty. i believe that for the liberals. which is why bush goes against his party on that view

11-19-2002, 01:05 AM	#104 (permalink)
Titan Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 3,698 Internets: 10	all good answers i think brass. if i were to believe in a one central god, higher-being type thing, i'd say that there probably is just one and all religions are just different tales of the exact same thing, kind of like rumours or folk tales get twisted as more and more people add to it and as time goes on. but that's if i could, as the human that i am, fathom the idea of one central highest power being who can do anything and everything and popped out of nowhere or has existed forever (can't comprehend infinity either). that's why i don't spend to much time with religion, if i can't comprehend God and know that He exists, then I'm not going to live my life by rules that humans say He came up with. <-- it was hard to type that without sounding mean about it, but that's not what i'm doing, just continuing my side of the conversation

11-19-2002, 01:06 AM	#105 (permalink)
BrassMonkees Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: winona lake Posts: 840 Internets: 10	loving someone is far from being a sin. it is instead a founding principle in christianity. love thy neighbor as yourself. that certaintly not a sin. however if that love stems from a pervision, thats when the line is crossed. i do appreciate those who read my posts. they are long and you might not agree, but i take time to read yours, so i would appreciate the same respect. buckeye, even though we differ on colleges, you seem pretty cool and offer good posts

11-19-2002, 01:07 AM	#106 (permalink)
buckeye Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 1,100 Internets: 10	nutcracker, i am tired of you posting on here, the annoyance level is intollerable. go play with your dolls, or scrub some toliets, whatever i dont care, just get off this site. Your starting to sound like good "tall pall" says the same things over and over again and no one ever gives a shit. ------------------ Go Bucks!!

11-19-2002, 01:09 AM	#107 (permalink)
Jake Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 148 Internets: 10	Brass monkey: im sure that it is possible that everyone in today's digital age have heard the name jesus christ, but take it back a thousand years. when europeans had not even set foot on the western continents. If the native americans, incas, etc. had heard the name jesus at some point then why is their no recollection in their history about it... until europeans arrive and spread the word. If jesus was universal then why does it start in the middle east and spread to europe and then throughout the rest of the world. if god was goin to be fair then he would have told all cultures his name and spread the word to all rather than one. This is why i view religions as mythology and just a way for man to explain his existence. Think about it. it is a lot easier when i a relative dies to say they went to heaven then rather say i dont know what happened to them. I sometimes think our minds have a pshycolgical resonse and just want to what they want to hear. and so religion is created as a shield for the mind to not accept reality.

11-19-2002, 01:11 AM	#108 (permalink)
The Comedian Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 110 Internets: 10	Jake- I feel I speak for most people when I say that we are getting sick of reading your anti-religous views on religion. Go to the rant forum if you have something to say, and quit poisoning this forum with your liberal bull-shit. ------------------ ~The Comedian~

11-19-2002, 01:13 AM	#109 (permalink)
Jake Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 148 Internets: 10	As far as war to prevent ww3 goes.. wasnt jesus a pacafict and stated turn the other cheek. So shouldnt that be applied to war in gen. Shouldnt christians be willing to die in support of their religion and its values. rater than fight back

11-19-2002, 01:14 AM	#110 (permalink)
BrassMonkees Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: winona lake Posts: 840 Internets: 10	titan i respect your opinion and am glad you post it respectfully. i know where you are coming from, and you hit it on the head. we all are humans and cannot understand eternity or even God himself. if we could then, then we would be gods ourselves. many times i used to think about eternity and it is just far to complicated for me to grasp. i believe that is where faith comes in. there must be apoint in your life where you think "out of the box" if you will. society today places so much emphasis on proof and science. i find it to be rather sad really. but think about this, life is a total walk of faith in things you can't understand. i mean take breathing for example. or driving your car, or simply sitting in a desk. all of those things you don't understand or check to make sure they work everytime. instead you have faith that they will work. you body is another example, you don't think "man how do i know when to breath", you just do it. im hoping you are understanding what im trying to say

11-19-2002, 01:14 AM	#111 (permalink)
Jake Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 148 Internets: 10	comedian why dont you go masturbate to some pictures of lesbians. im sure you would find that quite tolerable. i think people are sick of hearing dumbasses rant on about nothing.

11-19-2002, 01:15 AM	#112 (permalink)
Titan Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 3,698 Internets: 10	yeah i always thought jesus was a pretty peacable guy. 'scept that one time when he flipped out at the temple, that was cool. (i was there)... (not really).

11-19-2002, 01:15 AM	#113 (permalink)
buckeye Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 1,100 Internets: 10	give him credit his posts are intelligent and he knows what he is talking about. Its far more tollerable than reading about some shit that a dumbass newbie like nutcracker posts.

11-19-2002, 01:16 AM	#114 (permalink)
The Comedian Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 110 Internets: 10	<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jake: i think people are sick of hearing dumbasses rant on about nothing. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Hmm, sorta like your last fifteen posts then? ------------------ ~The Comedian~

11-19-2002, 01:17 AM	#115 (permalink)
Titan Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 3,698 Internets: 10	amen. at least we're attempting to have good postings

11-19-2002, 01:17 AM	#116 (permalink)
Jake Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 148 Internets: 10	good thoughts brass monkey... this is why im agnostic. for all we know life could be similar to the matrix or some other far fetched thing. I wont to latch on to something but i just dont know what. i need to research more. My biggest fear is that ill never decide and who knows what will happen to me. I guess im just weak on the idea of faith. I dont like to gamble with my life/soul.

11-19-2002, 01:20 AM	#117 (permalink)
The Comedian Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 110 Internets: 10	<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jake: I dont like to gamble with my life/soul.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> By being a homosexual, your chances of contracting the HIV virus more than quadruple. Hmm, hypocrit anyone? ------------------ ~The Comedian~

11-19-2002, 01:20 AM	#118 (permalink)
BrassMonkees Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: winona lake Posts: 840 Internets: 10	jake yes christians should be willing to fight and die for their religion. and yes Jesus said to turn the other cheek, but im not really sure how this applies to the middle east. this isn't a christian vs muslim war. and i guess you have to look at the whole picture. if america does nothing, millions more will die. and as for people using religion as an escape from reality, that is false. you're right it is easier to know that my grandfather is in heaven, but it is difficult for me to think that my uncle is not. and i believe that it is a natural instinct to believe in a higher power and i believe that God made it to be that way. that belief in a higher power, may be all we need to understand in God. again, i don't know all of the answers right now, but i will be sure to look into some of these questions. until then, i encourage you to talk about this to strong christians and listen to what they say about it

11-19-2002, 01:21 AM	#119 (permalink)
Titan Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 3,698 Internets: 10	AAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! !!!!!!!! [This message has been edited by Titan (edited November 18, 2002).]

11-19-2002, 01:23 AM	#120 (permalink)
Titan Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 3,698 Internets: 10	i was laughing at comedian by the way not you brass

11-19-2002, 01:24 AM	#121 (permalink)
BrassMonkees Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: winona lake Posts: 840 Internets: 10	Christ "flipped out" in the temple because people were discracing his father's house. it is like someone coming into your house and burning everything and everyone in it. would you just stand there and watch... i doubt it jake i know it is difficult to think about religion and having faith. it is probably the hardest thing in life, because it is constantly being tested. but look at it this way, if you die a christian and it is wrong, so be it. you will cease to exist. but if it is right, like i know it is, then look what you get. eternity with God. if anything look into other religions you will se their holes and problems, but when you truly search christianity , you will discover no loop hole, only truth

11-19-2002, 01:25 AM	#122 (permalink)
Jake Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 148 Internets: 10	Comedian dont mess with me on gay issues i have done far more research and thought the you will ever... According to cdc statitics(july 1997) hetro sex is the fastest growing mode of transmission for HIV in the U.S. growing at a rate of 15 to 20 percent a year, compared to 5 percent for intravenous drug users and 5 percent for male homo's. lesbians remain the least likely group of people to acquire HIV through sexual contact!

11-19-2002, 01:26 AM	#123 (permalink)
The Comedian Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 110 Internets: 10	<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jake: Comedian dont mess with me on gay issues i have done far more research and thought the you will ever... According to cdc statitics(july 1997) hetro sex is the fastest growing mode of transmission for HIV in the U.S. growing at a rate of 15 to 20 percent a year, compared to 5 percent for intravenous drug users and 5 percent for male homo's. lesbians remain the least likely group of people to acquire HIV through sexual contact!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Well you just shut me up Jake. I think I'll be gay now so I won't get AIDS!! ------------------ ~The Comedian~

11-19-2002, 01:28 AM	#124 (permalink)
Jake Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 148 Internets: 10	Brass monkey i also pondered that thought and determined that i would rather believe in a religion because that was what i honestly believed and not to believe in it just out of fear of hell. God is love not fear, i hope

11-19-2002, 01:29 AM	#125 (permalink)
BrassMonkees Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: winona lake Posts: 840 Internets: 10	right, God is love. you will see scripture to "fear God" - don't be confused that is more of a respect and reverence for him. how intently have you looked into religions. this is the greatest thing you could research. we aren't just talking about life and death. we are talking about souls won and lost. enternity