Pentagon to Release 9/11 Security Video

[ninjaface]

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Pentagon to Release 9/11 Security Video

By ROBERT BURNS, AP Military Writer 29 minutes ago

The Pentagon on Tuesday released the first video images of American Airlines Flight 77 crashing into the military headquarters building and killing 189 people in the Sept. 11, 2001 terrorist attacks.

The images, recorded by Pentagon security cameras outside the building, were made public in response to a December 2004 Freedom of Information Act request by Judicial Watch, a public interest group. Some still images from the video had previously been leaked and publicly circulated, but this was the first official release.

The airplane is a thin white blur on the video as it slams into the Pentagon at ground level. Almost instantly a white flash and a huge orange fireball appear on the video, followed by a tower of gray-black smoke. One of the videos shows a Pentagon police car driving in the direction of the impact point shortly after the plane hit.

Traveling at an estimated 350 mph, the hijacked American Airlines plane plowed into the southwest side of the Pentagon at 9:38 a.m. EDT, shortly after two other hijacked airlines were flown into the twin towers at the World Trade Center in New York. The attack set off fires in a portion of the Pentagon and killed 125 people inside, in addition to the 59 passengers and crew and the five men who hijacked the plane at Dulles International Airport.

The Pentagon had previously refused to release the videos, saying they had been provided to the Justice Department as evidence in any criminal proceedings.

"We fought hard to obtain this video because we felt that it was very important to complete the public record with respect to the terrorist attacks of September 11," said Tom Fitton, president of Judicial Watch.

Cheryl Irwin, a Pentagon spokeswoman, said families of the victims of the Pentagon attack were not consulted before the videos were released on the Pentagon's Web site.

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Links to two videos at http://www.defenselink.mil/pubs/foi/index.html



Video 1

Video 2


The server is wayyy to busy right now and I wa not able to download the videos. However, once I get off work that is the first thing I'm going to do.

[THEINCREDIBLEdork]

damn it took them a long time to artificially render those videos

[ninjaface]

They wanted them to be perfect.

[Ugly Bastard]

You still can't see anything that 100% without a doubt makes you say "holy shit that's a commercial jet!" like you can with the Twin Tower video footage.

Now before all you Elkhart Republican assholes jump all over that comment, I AM NOT SAYING THAT A COMMERCIAL JET DIDN'T HIT THIS FUCKING BUILDING. Just saying that these videos aren't any better than the crap that they've already released; so I don't see what the big deal is with this being an "official video release".

[Beebs]

The importance is that most of those super awsome flash videos claim the government refuses to releases hidden video footage, here it is super awsome flash video makers. Of course they will just take ID's position, which I hope is at least a little sarcastic.

It's an official video release because there is nothing to prove to the public.

This is the footage they have.

[ninjaface]

They also have the footage from the gas station.

[Ugly Bastard]

Originally Posted by DJ FC

It's an official video release because there is nothing to prove to the public.

This is the footage they have.

Then what's the big fucking deal? It happened 5 years ago. Why not release this crap footage the week after? This shows like literally nothing...

[Beebs]

The fact that it shows nothing is the "big fucking deal" it shows the tapes weren't hiding some conspiracy.

I read somewhere (I suppose I should cite the source, but I'm lazy so just take my word for it) that the tapes weren't released immediately in case they were to be used to prosecute a case. There really was a legitimite reason for not releasing these tapes until now.

[Ugly Bastard]

Beebs, FC; I know you guys are really gung-ho about making sure you disagree with everything I post on this topic: But please tell me that you realize this video footage is NO different than the small series of still images that have already been released and produced in all of these conspiracy theory videos.

I mean, the point that I'm trying to make here is; we've already seen this shit. Sure, not with 30 seconds of dead air time beforehand where there's a police car driving by, but the three or four frames where the plane is in there and the explosion happens, we have all already seen that shit. You realize that, right? This "official release" is pretty anti-climatic.

[Ugly Bastard]

Sorry

[Beebs]

Originally Posted by Ugly Bastard

Beebs, FC; I know you guys are really gung-ho about making sure you disagree with everything I post on this topic: But please tell me that you realize this video footage is NO different than the small series of still images that have already been released and produced in all of these conspiracy theory videos.

I mean, the point that I'm trying to make here is; we've already seen this shit. Sure, not with 30 seconds of dead air time beforehand where there's a police car driving by, but the three or four frames where the plane is in there and the explosion happens, we have all already seen that shit. You realize that, right? This "official release" is pretty anti-climatic.

I'm just trying to point out that you made a big fucking deal about these tapes not being released, and now that they are and don't prove a conspiracy theory you are trying to play it off like they are totally meaningless, you were just dieing to see these tapes, now you get to see them.

Originally Posted by Ugly Bastard

A question to all of the anti-conspiracy theory people in this thread (basically all of the Elkhart people it seems like): Does it bother you that the government refuses to release the video footage they have of a 757 crashing into the Pentagon?

Talk to you tomorrow.

Originally Posted by Ugly Bastard

What does that link prove? I've seen that picture a hundred times. I asked does it bother you that the government won't release video or stillshot of a 757 jet hitting the Pentagon? They have never released any of the videos or images they possess of the actual jet itself.

Originally Posted by Ugly Bastard

There are reports that the Sheraton Hotel, a nearby gas station, as well as the Virginia Department of Transportation all had security cameras that would have caught the plane colliding with the building. Allegedly the FBI confiscated these security videos within minutes of the plane crash. They have never been released to the public.

Originally Posted by Ugly Bastard

The link you posted earlier of the explosion at the Pentagon. It stands to make sense that a frame or two before that, you would see a 757 zooming across the lawn just before impact, right? It doesn't bother you at all that there is no publicly accessable image of the frame where it shows the plane just before impact?

Originally Posted by Ugly Bastard

Absolutely not. For the record, I'm not trying to say that the lack of visual documentation proving a 757 hit the Pentagon instantly means that the whole thing was a government set-up. I'm simply asking questions about things that seem a little out-of-place to me. One of those things is no video released of a 757 hitting the Pentagon, even though there are supposedly videos that were confiscated which would have captured the crash.

[Ugly Bastard]

Did you see a 757 jet hit the Pentagon in these newly released videos? I sure didn't.

[Ugly Bastard]

Originally Posted by Beebs

I'm just trying to point out that you made a big fucking deal about these tapes not being released, and now that they are and don't prove a conspiracy theory you are trying to play it off like they are totally meaningless, you were just dieing to see these tapes, now you get to see them.

I have been dying to see tapes that actually CLEARLY SHOW A 757 HITTING THE PENTAGON. These tapes were not that. Maybe such tapes don't even exist. Don't try to pawn off these newly released tapes as the "evidence I've been waiting for". These images have been in shitty conspiracy theory videos for well over a year now.

[Beebs]

What I am saying is that you thought the government was hiding these videos, or were at least making it seem that way, now here they are.

[ninjaface]

So after 5 years, the government releases more video clips that show nothing conclusive. What about the videos from the gas station and the hotel? Those cameras had a much wider view of the incident and would surely show something more conclusive. Why are they still keeping those from the general public? What possible reason could they have for doing that?

[THEINCREDIBLEdork]

Originally Posted by Beebs

Of course they will just take ID's position, which I hope is at least a little sarcastic.

cmon now...

[Beebs]

Originally Posted by ninjaface

So after 5 years, the government releases more video clips that show nothing conclusive. What about the videos from the gas station and the hotel? Those cameras had a much wider view of the incident and would surely show something more conclusive. Why are they still keeping those from the general public? What possible reason could they have for doing that?

They released these, I'm assuming the others will be released eventually as well. But as it was layed out pretty clearly in the other thread, the evidence that a plane hit the pentagon is pretty overwhelming and even most conspiracy theorist admit this now.

Who knows what would happen with the other tapes since they are private property. Maybe they will never be released, or maybe they never existed.

[Beebs]

Good point, confidentiality laws might come into play in releasing the other videos.

[ninjaface]

Confidentiality laws don't factor in. The FBI reportedly confiscated video recordings from three locations shortly after the attack (Sheraton National Hotel, NEXCOMM/CITGO gas station, and the Virginia Department of Transportation). There were something like 84 tapes of the pentagon crash and the FBI says none of them show the impact of Flight 77. If that is true, why not just realease all the videos in their entirety?

"The FBI has, in its latest response admitted possessing at least two of these CCTV videos. These two recordings could provide decisive evidence about the crash and end the controversy. All the perpetrators who directly participated in the hijacking of the jetliners and the subsequent attacks are dead. Even assuming that the FBI is conducting an ongoing investigation, the release of the two CCTV videos would in no way jeopardize, compromise, or hinder that investigation since the videos merely show what everyone already is aware of; Flight 77 crashing into the Pentagon."

[f3lix]

I must side with UB on this one. We have still yet to see a plane hit the Pentagon and there are two tapes with a clear view of this suppossed occurance.

[Beebs]

Well I think we all agree that there is no perfectly clear video, but do you two at least think the evidence of a plane hitting the pentagon outweighs whatever evidence there is that it was something else (most of which isn't actually evidence, but accusations of lack of evidence)?

This conspiracy theorist does a damn good job presenting a case for a plane hitting the pentagon, and he's a conspiracy theorist.
http://www.oilempire.us/pentagon.html

This topic is so mindboggleingly large that in hindsight there would always be strange things that could prove to be ammo for conspiracy theorists. If you understand what I said in that sentence, you understand why I am not concerned AT ALL that these videos don't show the plane very well or that not all of the rumoured videos have been released. These things happen.


The problem with the conspiracy theorists, which I don't understand, is that they are so fucking terrible at making conspiracies. KISS Keep it simple stupid. Here: I'll make a good one off the top of my head:


Osama Bin Laden hates America. He genuinely does, so he wouldn't be willing to work with American operatives. But lets say somebody high up (not the president himself, but somebody in the CIA with strong conservative beliefs) sees Americas state of decay among world power, become distressed, and longs for another Pearl Harbor (as was mentioned in the Project for the New American Century documents). So a small group of them, (always in conspiracy theories it is "them") agrees to assist Osama in a way that not even he will know - they will redirect any knowledge of impending attacks, all the while leaking information to Osama about our weaknesses to a potential 911 attack.


Now, there is a great fucking conspiracy, and I made it up off the top of my head. The beauty of it? It doesn't require fucking missing planes, missing people, presidential and senatorial approval, or any other fanciful constructs that conspiracy theorists fail to reason just wont happen. If there was a conspiracy, it was at the base of this operation. Real planes hit those buildings, real passengers aboard real passenger airplanes died. To fake something of this magnitude simply couldn't be done.