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Originally Posted by Mr. Blonde
I still think that classifies you as an agnostic atheist, which I am as well, doesn't it?
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Sure, you can think of it like that.
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Originally Posted by Mr. Blonde
One could say the same thing about those who try to put a positive, humanist spin on something that, so far, does not seem to be a reality. I think it's important to note that both sides do this. Goes back to DH's truth vs. happiness thing. You can't blame Dawkins and Harris for trying to make it easier for people to accept the finality of death, and make life worthwhile.
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I don't think it's quite the same thing. Though it's obviously nuanced and there are exceptions, generally the religious message is hopeful, because there's an afterlife, you see your loved ones, go to heaven, etc. So they are being more "truthful" in terms of the consequences of their worldview. Now, their worldview might be a fantasy, and then they would be untruthful, but we're talking about two different kinds of truthfulness if that makes sense, and in the way I'm talking about it Harris and Dawkins come off as less truthful to me. But you're right in that it's also an issue of truth vs happiness in the other sense of truthfulness that you're talking about.
That was very confusing.