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Originally Posted by ninjaface
Wouldn't it be more cruel for all the animals to die of starvation because humans are eating all their food?
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No animals need to be starve to death
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Originally Posted by ninjaface
I am a carnivore, but if cows pugs and chicken are not equipped to survive, why are they here now?
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Utility
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Originally Posted by The MacCready Explosion
According to calculations by Paul MacCready (1999), at the dawn of human agriculture 10,000 years ago, the worldwide human population plus their livestock and pets was ~0.1% of the terrestrial vertebrate biomass. Today, he calculates, it is 98%! (Most of that is cattle.)
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We have enslaved the rest of the animal creation, and have treated our distant cousins in fur and feathers so badly that beyond doubt, if they were able to formulate a religion, they would depict the Devil in human form. - William Ralph Inge
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Originally Posted by Dirty Harry
Or how about causing entire species of animals to go extinct?
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Not an animal but most people think the demise of Smallpox was a good thing, where do you stop?
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Originally Posted by Dirty Harry
Well they have evolved to be dependent on humans to survive-their evolutionary niche is to be food for humans. It seems like it was a good strategy since the population of cattle, for example, is quite large. The wild cow, whose name escapes me at the moment, is nearly extinct.
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"they have evolved"
"strategy"
If demons are torturing human-like beings on another planet, but cloning them at the same time, to perpetuate the torture, is that a good strategy?
Blonde vs FC on this here, note that the starving cow card is pulled again, cows don't need to be starving, stop pretending we aren't in the space age.
Veganism
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Fancied posting some more quotes, feels a bit greenpeace-y
"One of the really exciting prospects for genetic engineering, morally speaking, is its potential to reduce the capacity for pain. If, for example, it becomes possible to produce people and animals without reduced painience then this should be welcomed. What a revolution this will be! Ultimately there is the prospect of a painless future! Of course, there will be dangers. The trick will be to produce individuals who are largely analgesic but who are of no danger to themselves or others. So they will have to learn how to avoid being harmed even if they can feel no (severe) pain. They will, one hopes, still be able to feel joy and compassion and to show a moral concern for others. This will be a great challenge for science and for those ethical and democratic structures that control science."
Richard Ryder
"All the arguments to prove man's superiority cannot shatter this hard fact: in suffering the animals are our equals"
Peter Singer
“Auschwitz begins wherever someone looks at a slaughterhouse and thinks: they’re only animals.”
Theodor Adorno
second edit : If cows decided that being domesticated was a good idea, why hasn't domestication cropped up in the evolutionary record before?