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DJ FC · 03-23-2010, 08:21 AM

I just donated to his campaign:

Rand Paul 2010 | U.S. Senate

f3lix · 03-23-2010, 09:28 AM

You must be on the email list. I've been flooded with emails for his big money bomb today. He's the most realistic Libertarian we've had to infiltrate the Senate. And he's winning. I love it.

Beebs · 03-23-2010, 04:43 PM

I'm going to look a little deeper, but I'm in.

f3lix · 03-23-2010, 07:51 PM

Last poll I saw had him up 15% on Establishment candidate from GOP and 17% on the likely Dem candidate. This was done by the most accurate polling company from the last election.

Two Pauls in Congress. GIVE ME MY FUCKIN LIBERTY BABY!

Saint DH · 03-23-2010, 08:11 PM

Is that what you shout when you're getting it up the ass from your tuba instructor? Fag.

Beebs · 03-24-2010, 01:55 AM

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Originally Posted by f3lix

Last poll I saw had him up 15% on Establishment candidate from GOP and 17% on the likely Dem candidate. This was done by the most accurate polling company from the last election.

Two Pauls in Congress. GIVE ME MY FUCKIN LIBERTY BABY!

Give me some policy run down, you know how daddy likes his liberty, he likes it dirty, now talk liberty to me F3lix, talk liberty to me.

Repugnant Abomination · 03-24-2010, 06:15 AM

I'm not aware of any differences in political positions between Rand and Ron Paul. If there are any I'd sure like to hear them.

I'm really excited about all this. If Rand can win Kentucky that would be huge, and if Schiff can win Connecticut I might just cream my pants.

f3lix · 03-24-2010, 12:48 PM

Rand Paul: Like Ron Paul But Better?

Cocktooth · 03-24-2010, 04:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by f3lix

Last poll I saw had him up 15% on Establishment candidate from GOP and 17% on the likely Dem candidate. This was done by the most accurate polling company from the last election.

Two Pauls in Congress. GIVE ME MY FUCKIN LIBERTY BABY!

Jesus, it is this time already? Maybe I should take a year break from Nubblies so I don't have to listen to F3lix everyday with this shit.

f3lix · 03-24-2010, 06:15 PM

Is it what time, Shaw? Is it the biannual election season for Congress? Yes. Is it the primaries before Congress, in which about 80% of the seats are determined due to gerrymandering? Yes. Is it time to remove the those who voted for the health care bill? Yes.

DJ FC · 03-24-2010, 06:26 PM

I also think we should remove the those.

Der Fuhrer · 03-24-2010, 06:26 PM

I agree with f3lix. It's time to take a stand. Everyone got their pussies' tickled by Obama's "Hope and Change" bullshit, and now we're paying for it dearly. We got some "change" alright. Oh boy did we ever. Unfortunately with that change went my hope. His health care bill is the worst thing to happen to this country since 9/11, and the long run effects will be much more severe. Osama didn't even have to lift a finger, we did it to ourselves.

The biannual elections this year are possibly the most important ones in the history of this country. We must get the democrats out of congress. It is imperative for the longevity of this nation as the dominant economic superpower.

It's looking good for Indiana, too. With Evan Bayh not running for reelection it's likely that we will get another republican in there. We need some fucking checks and balances.

DJ FC · 03-24-2010, 06:35 PM

As surprising as it may be, I'm willing to bet that IRL Der Fuhrer supports democracy more than I do.

WHY DOES "DEMOCRACY" HAVE SUCH A GOOD CONNOTATION?

Think about that. Because it's been beaten into your head since you were 4 years old. Really think about this.

Ugly Bastard · 03-24-2010, 07:00 PM

I've thought about this a fair amount in the past few years. It a "democratic" system in which everyone receives one vote really the most optimal for overall health, wealth and happiness of a population? I think the answer to this question is: no. It's certainly better than a monarchy or dictatorship, but is it better than a hybrid form of democracy in which your vote is "weighed" based on a few factors such as your wealth, intelligence, etc? I would say that it's not. But the implementation of such a system would be hell and is virtually impossible to create due to all of the screaming, whining pussies that would bitch endlessly about their vote potentially not mattering as much as some guy who has worked his ass off to amass a huge fortune. We like to live in a state of delusion where we say that each person is just as valuable as the next. It's just not realistic.

Beebs · 03-24-2010, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Ugly Bastard

I've thought about this a fair amount in the past few years. It a "democratic" system in which everyone receives one vote really the most optimal for overall health, wealth and happiness of a population? I think the answer to this question is: no. It's certainly better than a monarchy or dictatorship, but is it better than a hybrid form of democracy in which your vote is "weighed" based on a few factors such as your wealth, intelligence, etc? I would say that it's not. But the implementation of such a system would be hell and is virtually impossible to create due to all of the screaming, whining pussies that would bitch endlessly about their vote potentially not mattering as much as some guy who has worked his ass off to amass a huge fortune. We like to live in a state of delusion where we say that each person is just as valuable as the next. It's just not realistic.

You've sort of just independently came up with one of the main ideas behind Plato's The Republic.

Or you read it and are going off that; which is less impressive.

Ugly Bastard · 03-24-2010, 10:40 PM

Never read it but I would hardly call that idea of mine groundbreaking or anything. DJ FC has mentioned a similar take on the same general concept on here before too fwiw.

Beebs · 03-24-2010, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ FC

As surprising as it may be, I'm willing to bet that IRL Der Fuhrer supports democracy more than I do.
WHY DOES "DEMOCRACY" HAVE SUCH A GOOD CONNOTATION?

Think about that. Because it's been beaten into your head since you were 4 years old. Really think about this.

Well one it's most positive aspect is that the freedom to fail is in many ways preferable to a theoretical guarantee to succeed.

Freedom does have inherit, independent value, even if it can make the rest of a situation worse.

f3lix · 03-25-2010, 01:13 AM

I honestly feel we should repeal women's suffrage. They've caused this country too much suffrage because of it.

Saint DH · 03-25-2010, 01:28 AM

I was scared to death that they (women) were going to get Hillary elected. I should have known that they would go for the younger, better looking male instead, fucking cunts.

You know that there are only two things that decide a non-lesbian (aka non-feminist) woman's vote. First, whoever her husband tells her to vote for. Second, if she's not already decided through the first factor, how good looking he is. I've actually heard a girl say she voted for Obama over Mcain because she would rather look at Obama for the next four years than Mcain.

I never thought I would say this, but I agree with f3lix.

Fruitacious B · 03-25-2010, 01:32 AM

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Originally Posted by f3lix

I honestly feel we should repeal women's suffrage. They've caused this country too much suffrage because of it.

I would vote for this.

Repugnant Abomination · 03-25-2010, 10:55 AM

I have some issues with democracy too. I think Churchill said it best:

"It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried."

Saint DH · 03-25-2010, 03:46 PM

Democracy is the best because it promotes freedom, capitalism (which is really just an economic form of freedom), and cooperation. It is also good because our leaders have to answer to the public. They serve us, not the other way around.

Because democracy promotes freedom and cooperation, it also promotes peace. I'm sure most of you have heard of the McDonald's Theory. That no other nation with a McDonald's has ever attacked another nation with a McDonald's. It's really just another way of saying that no democracy has ever attacked another democracy.

Beebs · 03-25-2010, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirty Harry

Democracy is the best because it promotes freedom, capitalism (which is really just an economic form of freedom), and cooperation. It is also good because our leaders have to answer to the public. They serve us, not the other way around.

Because democracy promotes freedom and cooperation, it also promotes peace. I'm sure most of you have heard of the McDonald's Theory. That no other nation with a McDonald's has ever attacked another nation with a McDonald's. It's really just another way of saying that no democracy has ever attacked another democracy.

It's a great theory, but no longer true in fact. It's general point still stands of course.

Saint DH · 03-25-2010, 05:38 PM

How is it no longer true? Did we finally attack Canada?

Seriously though, how did this come to an end?

DJ FC · 03-25-2010, 06:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dirty Harry

Democracy is the best because it promotes freedom, capitalism (which is really just an economic form of freedom), and cooperation. It is also good because our leaders have to answer to the public. They serve us, not the other way around.

Because democracy promotes freedom and cooperation, it also promotes peace. I'm sure most of you have heard of the McDonald's Theory. That no other nation with a McDonald's has ever attacked another nation with a McDonald's. It's really just another way of saying that no democracy has ever attacked another democracy.

Think about what you just said.

Democracy does not promote freedom. It promotes the oppression of the minority by the majority.

Democracy does not promote capitalism. It promotes the taking from the rich to feed the masses.

In a modern democracy, the leaders do not have to answer to the public. The voting base is too large to have any effect. All they have to do is politic.

Answering to the public is not necessarily a good thing: see my first two points.

Democracy does not promote cooperation: it promotes the powerful majority not needing cooperation from the minority.

Democracy does not promote peace: I see zero correlation between democracies and peacefulness.

McDonald's has nothing to do with democracy.

03-23-2010, 08:21 AM	#1 (permalink)
DJ FC MURICAN Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Virginia Posts: 5,136 Internets: 253094	Rand Paul I just donated to his campaign: Rand Paul 2010 \| U.S. Senate
	The basis of our governments being the opinion of the people, the very first object should be to keep that right; and were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers, or newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate a moment to prefer the latter. But I should mean that every man should receive those papers and be capable of reading them.

03-24-2010, 06:26 PM	#11 (permalink)
DJ FC MURICAN Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Virginia Posts: 5,136 Internets: 253094	I also think we should remove the those.
	The basis of our governments being the opinion of the people, the very first object should be to keep that right; and were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers, or newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate a moment to prefer the latter. But I should mean that every man should receive those papers and be capable of reading them.

03-24-2010, 06:35 PM	#13 (permalink)
DJ FC MURICAN Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Virginia Posts: 5,136 Internets: 253094	As surprising as it may be, I'm willing to bet that IRL Der Fuhrer supports democracy more than I do. *WHY DOES "DEMOCRACY" HAVE SUCH A GOOD CONNOTATION?* Think about that. Because it's been beaten into your head since you were 4 years old. Really think about this.
	The basis of our governments being the opinion of the people, the very first object should be to keep that right; and were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers, or newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate a moment to prefer the latter. But I should mean that every man should receive those papers and be capable of reading them.

03-24-2010, 07:00 PM	#14 (permalink)
Ugly Bastard Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: U.S.A. Posts: 13,643 Internets: 247330	I've thought about this a fair amount in the past few years. It a "democratic" system in which everyone receives one vote really the most optimal for overall health, wealth and happiness of a population? I think the answer to this question is: no. It's certainly better than a monarchy or dictatorship, but is it better than a hybrid form of democracy in which your vote is "weighed" based on a few factors such as your wealth, intelligence, etc? I would say that it's not. But the implementation of such a system would be hell and is virtually impossible to create due to all of the screaming, whining pussies that would bitch endlessly about their vote potentially not mattering as much as some guy who has worked his ass off to amass a huge fortune. We like to live in a state of delusion where we say that each person is just as valuable as the next. It's just not realistic.
	Last edited by Ugly Bastard; 03-24-2010 at 07:01 PM.

03-23-2010, 09:28 AM	#2 (permalink)
f3lix Gangnam Style Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: DH's Massage Parlor Posts: 6,383 Internets: 213510	You must be on the email list. I've been flooded with emails for his big money bomb today. He's the most realistic Libertarian we've had to infiltrate the Senate. And he's winning. I love it.

03-23-2010, 04:43 PM	#3 (permalink)
Beebs Poor Sport Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Indianapolis / Middlebury / Long Lake Posts: 5,306 Internets: 127341	I'm going to look a little deeper, but I'm in.

03-23-2010, 07:51 PM	#4 (permalink)
f3lix Gangnam Style Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: DH's Massage Parlor Posts: 6,383 Internets: 213510	Last poll I saw had him up 15% on Establishment candidate from GOP and 17% on the likely Dem candidate. This was done by the most accurate polling company from the last election. Two Pauls in Congress. GIVE ME MY FUCKIN LIBERTY BABY!

03-23-2010, 08:11 PM	#5 (permalink)
Saint DH Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 6,147 Internets: 284753	Is that what you shout when you're getting it up the ass from your tuba instructor? Fag.

03-24-2010, 06:15 AM	#7 (permalink)
Repugnant Abomination Almost there... Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 5,979 Internets: 164547	I'm not aware of any differences in political positions between Rand and Ron Paul. If there are any I'd sure like to hear them. I'm really excited about all this. If Rand can win Kentucky that would be huge, and if Schiff can win Connecticut I might just cream my pants.

03-24-2010, 12:48 PM	#8 (permalink)
f3lix Gangnam Style Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: DH's Massage Parlor Posts: 6,383 Internets: 213510	Rand Paul: Like Ron Paul But Better?

03-24-2010, 06:15 PM	#10 (permalink)
f3lix Gangnam Style Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: DH's Massage Parlor Posts: 6,383 Internets: 213510	Is it what time, Shaw? Is it the biannual election season for Congress? Yes. Is it the primaries before Congress, in which about 80% of the seats are determined due to gerrymandering? Yes. Is it time to remove the those who voted for the health care bill? Yes.

03-24-2010, 06:26 PM	#12 (permalink)
Der Fuhrer Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 549 Internets: 5464	I agree with f3lix. It's time to take a stand. Everyone got their pussies' tickled by Obama's "Hope and Change" bullshit, and now we're paying for it dearly. We got some "change" alright. Oh boy did we ever. Unfortunately with that change went my hope. His health care bill is the worst thing to happen to this country since 9/11, and the long run effects will be much more severe. Osama didn't even have to lift a finger, we did it to ourselves. The biannual elections this year are possibly the most important ones in the history of this country. We must get the democrats out of congress. It is imperative for the longevity of this nation as the dominant economic superpower. It's looking good for Indiana, too. With Evan Bayh not running for reelection it's likely that we will get another republican in there. We need some fucking checks and balances.

03-24-2010, 10:40 PM	#16 (permalink)
Ugly Bastard Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: U.S.A. Posts: 13,643 Internets: 247330	Never read it but I would hardly call that idea of mine groundbreaking or anything. DJ FC has mentioned a similar take on the same general concept on here before too fwiw.

03-25-2010, 01:13 AM	#18 (permalink)
f3lix Gangnam Style Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: DH's Massage Parlor Posts: 6,383 Internets: 213510	I honestly feel we should repeal women's suffrage. They've caused this country too much suffrage because of it.

03-25-2010, 01:28 AM	#19 (permalink)
Saint DH Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 6,147 Internets: 284753	I was scared to death that they (women) were going to get Hillary elected. I should have known that they would go for the younger, better looking male instead, fucking cunts. You know that there are only two things that decide a non-lesbian (aka non-feminist) woman's vote. First, whoever her husband tells her to vote for. Second, if she's not already decided through the first factor, how good looking he is. I've actually heard a girl say she voted for Obama over Mcain because she would rather look at Obama for the next four years than Mcain. I never thought I would say this, but I agree with f3lix.

03-25-2010, 10:55 AM	#21 (permalink)
Repugnant Abomination Almost there... Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 5,979 Internets: 164547	I have some issues with democracy too. I think Churchill said it best: "It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried."

03-25-2010, 03:46 PM	#22 (permalink)
Saint DH Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 6,147 Internets: 284753	Democracy is the best because it promotes freedom, capitalism (which is really just an economic form of freedom), and cooperation. It is also good because our leaders have to answer to the public. They serve us, not the other way around. Because democracy promotes freedom and cooperation, it also promotes peace. I'm sure most of you have heard of the McDonald's Theory. That no other nation with a McDonald's has ever attacked another nation with a McDonald's. It's really just another way of saying that no democracy has ever attacked another democracy.

03-25-2010, 05:38 PM	#24 (permalink)
Saint DH Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 6,147 Internets: 284753	How is it no longer true? Did we finally attack Canada? Seriously though, how did this come to an end?