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I Drink Alone · 03-02-2004, 02:51 AM

I started this thread because the upcoming election thread was getting a little off subject.

I do agree with DJ FC that after an incident like 9/11 a country will unite over just about anything.

[ March 01, 2004, 11:54 PM: Message edited by: I Drink Alone ]

BarryJive · 03-02-2004, 09:47 PM

Bush took a post 9/11 world that loved the U.S. and squandered it. Now everyone hates us for the uni-lateral bullshit he pulled. America could have almost done anything after 9/11 and what did Goerge decide to do? Take over oil wells under the guise of national securty. Unfortunately everyone saw through it and now world opinion of the U.S. is at an all time low.

Saint DH · 03-02-2004, 10:43 PM

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Originally posted by BarryJive:
Bush took a post 9/11 world that loved the U.S. and squandered it. Now everyone hates us for the uni-lateral bullshit he pulled.

Now everyone hates us? What else has changed? I mean I'm pretty sure everyone hated us to begin with basically. I don't really understand how you can possibly say a post 9/11 world loved us...For christ's sake foregin terrorists flew three planes into our buildings and killed several thousand people.

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Originally posted by BarryJive:
America could have almost done anything after 9/11 and what did Goerge decide to do? Take over oil wells under the guise of national securty. Unfortunately everyone saw through it and now world opinion of the U.S. is at an all time low.

I honestly doubt he wanted to "take over" oil wells. I mean if he was pushing so hard for this oil why in the fuck would he be pushing to develope hydrogen fuel cell techonolgy? I think he was just trying to stop terrorism...I dunno

The people that hate the US will probably always hate the US and quite frankly fuck them.

[ March 02, 2004, 07:44 PM: Message edited by: Dirty Harry ]

VOL · 03-03-2004, 01:07 AM

Bush did the best he could with what was thrown into his lap. It's not often that planes crash into buildings in America all in a synchronized fashion. He has been a good president in the protection of our country. He has been, not bad, but he needs to improve on his economic issues and he needs to pay attention to the little people.

All in all, I would rate him a 7 out of 10.

Pliedes · 03-03-2004, 02:11 AM

Yes, because in a capitalist country, the president has a really big effect of the economy.

Lethal · 03-03-2004, 05:14 AM

Don't say a God damned thing about taking over oil wells. France and Russia, both who neither backed us in taking out Sadam in Irag, are now trying to secure oil contracts from Iraq in the post Sadam era. Both of these countries are fucking hipocritical. I don't think anyone has a right to bash Bush with the job he has done. He has gone through a lot of shit as President and done a great job leading this country through all of it. Bush will be re-elected, and the vote won't even be close.

I Drink Alone · 03-03-2004, 11:37 PM

Thats the thing Lethal, I could have led the country through something like that, so could you. After something like that, in a country like this, people will unite over anything, or behind anyone.

Super Nintendo · 03-04-2004, 12:56 AM

Wow...a rating from VOL of 7/10...it's official folks! George Bush is a solid C. 70% no better, no worse....all this according to a brand new scientific rating system set up by VOL.

Seriously, if he is a 7? Who's a 4? Who's a 9?

VOL · 03-04-2004, 01:26 AM

A 4 would be A. Johnson. And a 9 would be Lincoln.

Pliedes · 03-04-2004, 03:30 AM

And what would Kennedy be?

Ugly Bastard · 03-04-2004, 04:12 AM

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Originally posted by Super Nintendo:
Wow...a rating from VOL of 7/10...it's official folks! George Bush is a solid C. 70% no better, no worse....all this according to a brand new scientific rating system set up by VOL.

Seriously, if he is a 7? Who's a 4? Who's a 9?

Holy shit. How about me sitting at my computer two days ago trying to make that post right there, but not being able to come up with the right words.

Touche.

-Ugly Bastard

03-04-2004, 04:34 AM

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Originally posted by Ugly Bastard:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Super Nintendo:
Wow...a rating from VOL of 7/10...it's official folks! George Bush is a solid C. 70% no better, no worse....all this according to a brand new scientific rating system set up by VOL.

Seriously, if he is a 7? Who's a 4? Who's a 9?

Holy shit. How about me sitting at my computer two days ago trying to make that post right there, but not being able to come up with the right words. Touche.

-Ugly Bastard</font>[/quote]

St. Anky · 03-04-2004, 12:40 PM

Why the hell do we take it so easy on our president? Seriously, the man's job is to lead our country. Not just anyone should be selected to do so.

I think Bush is horrible. My argument?

No Child Left Behind Act= BULLSHITT!

It's taking money away from poor, underdeveloped schools which are already producing violent, impoverished children who come from broken homes. Sure, lets give money to schools that are doing well... turn 12 years of schooling into a SAT preparation regime.

And why the hell does everyone blame the economy on the president? Half the time, the president has little effect on the economy. Its fluxuation, growth can only last so long...

My final statement: FUCK BUSH. Thanks.

VOL · 03-04-2004, 12:43 PM

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Originally posted by Pliedes:
And what would Kennedy be?

He really didn't have enough time but from his actions in the Cuban Missile Crisis and his beginning plans for economic policy; Kennedy would be a 6/10.

Shigmy · 03-04-2004, 01:53 PM

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Originally posted by Dirty Harry:
Now everyone hates us? What else has changed? I mean I'm pretty sure everyone hated us to begin with basically. I don't really understand how you can possibly say a post 9/11 world loved us...For christ's sake foregin terrorists flew three planes into our buildings and killed several thousand people.QB]

Post 9/11 the U.S. national anthem was played in government buildings in England and other nations around the world. Within days an outpooring of support from the international community poored in with money, personnel, and prayers. Weeks later, President Bush called for a "coalition of the willing" to help root out terrorists in Afghanistan. Nations through the world responded with troups and financial aid. Yes, the world loved us. They saw what had happened and were on our side. Fast-forward a couple of years. President Bush's last visit to England sparked protests the likes of which have not been seen in some time, if ever not only in England, but throughout Europe. The world hates us. The world was a scary place before, especially for an American oversees, and somehow President Bush has managed to make it worse. Personally, I don't need that kind of leadership.

Pliedes · 03-04-2004, 03:36 PM

Alright dumbasses, the world hates us, this is not anything new. The world has always hated us throughout the twenty-first century, all that changes is who and how much. Thank god that foreign policy isn't about making people happy.

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Originally posted by BarryJive:
Now everyone hates us for the uni-lateral bullshit he pulled.

Unilateral? Britain, Australia, Japan, South Korea, the Philippines, Thailand, Italy, Spain, Poland, Denmark, Hungary, Bulgaria, Ukraine, Romania, the Netherlands, Norway, El Salvador, and the 17 other countries committed troops to Iraq; along with having a UN resolution for military action.

Shigmy · 03-04-2004, 04:00 PM

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Originally posted by Pliedes:
Thank god that foreign policy isn't about making people happy.

Yeah, why should the President care about whether or not the people are happy anyhow? "Will of the people" ppfffftttt...

Pliedes · 03-04-2004, 04:09 PM

Dumbass, foreign policy refers to other countries, not the American populus.

Shigmy · 03-04-2004, 04:26 PM

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Originally posted by Pliedes:
Dumbass, foreign policy refers to other countries, not the American populus.

Dumbass? I'm new to this board and you are obviously a vet so I'm not going to pretend to know how things work, yet. I will say that while would more than like to have a discussion/debate I'd rather not have this turn into one giant personal flaming session. If I'm wrong here, let me know and I'll be happy to let the personal shit talking begin [img]smile.gif[/img] (let's face it, that's fun too). Until then, I'll stick to the points not the person.

Now that that's out of the way. You are correct. Foreign policy refers to the United States relationship with OTHER countries not domestic issues. However, what DOES refer to the US populous is EVERY SINGLE DESICION AND ACTION that the President makes, period. That is what I meant by "the will of the people". The President is supposed to act on behalf of "the American populous" not himself. Yes, what the people think matters. What the PEOPLE want is what is important, NOT what the President wants. If the Government and, more importantly, the "American populous" have forgotten that then there is a problem bigger than Bush being President.

[ March 04, 2004, 06:12 PM: Message edited by: Shigmy ]

Pliedes · 03-04-2004, 07:07 PM

We elect the President to make decisions. We are not a pure democracy, sorry to inform you.

If you're talking about the will of the people, well, a majority of americans supported action in Iraq anyway, so what's the problem?

Percipere'Chan · 03-04-2004, 08:07 PM

We are not 'a' democracy, sorry to inform you.

Pliedes · 03-04-2004, 08:12 PM

I just said that, what's your point?

Percipere'Chan · 03-04-2004, 08:19 PM

Seeing as how you see no difference between questioning purity and questioning existence, for you, I have none.

I Drink Alone · 03-05-2004, 12:04 AM

I couldn't believe it. I saw an add campaign ffor G.Dubb, and hhe was uuusing Septemmber 11 as a way to get peoplle to vote forr him, thats so shity to exploit something like that.

Shigmy · 03-05-2004, 02:52 AM

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Originally posted by Pliedes:
I just said that, what's your point?

I'm assuming you are saying that we are not a democracy. I would immediatly start proving that wrong, but I'd like you clarify.

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Originally posted by I Drink Alone:
I couldn't believe it. I saw an add campaign ffor G.Dubb, and hhe was uuusing Septemmber 11 as a way to get peoplle to vote forr him, thats so shity to exploit something like that.

Right on.

[ April 01, 2004, 01:42 PM: Message edited by: Dirty Harry ]

03-02-2004, 02:51 AM	#1 (permalink)
I Drink Alone Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Warsaw, IN Posts: 154 Internets: 10	I started this thread because the upcoming election thread was getting a little off subject. I do agree with DJ FC that after an incident like 9/11 a country will unite over just about anything. [ March 01, 2004, 11:54 PM: Message edited by: I Drink Alone ]
	Whenever death may surprise us, let it be welcome if our battle cry has reached even one receptive ear and another hand reaches out to take up our arms. - Ernesto Che Guevara

03-02-2004, 09:47 PM	#2 (permalink)
BarryJive Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Bloomington Posts: 358 Internets: 44	Bush took a post 9/11 world that loved the U.S. and squandered it. Now everyone hates us for the uni-lateral bullshit he pulled. America could have almost done anything after 9/11 and what did Goerge decide to do? Take over oil wells under the guise of national securty. Unfortunately everyone saw through it and now world opinion of the U.S. is at an all time low.
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03-03-2004, 01:07 AM	#4 (permalink)
VOL Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: there Posts: 2,305 Internets: -205	Bush did the best he could with what was thrown into his lap. It's not often that planes crash into buildings in America all in a synchronized fashion. He has been a good president in the protection of our country. He has been, not bad, but he needs to improve on his economic issues and he needs to pay attention to the little people. All in all, I would rate him a 7 out of 10.
	~ductor ab grandis divinitus~ CDXXVII

03-03-2004, 11:37 PM	#7 (permalink)
I Drink Alone Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Warsaw, IN Posts: 154 Internets: 10	Thats the thing Lethal, I could have led the country through something like that, so could you. After something like that, in a country like this, people will unite over anything, or behind anyone.
	Whenever death may surprise us, let it be welcome if our battle cry has reached even one receptive ear and another hand reaches out to take up our arms. - Ernesto Che Guevara

03-04-2004, 01:26 AM	#9 (permalink)
VOL Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: there Posts: 2,305 Internets: -205	A 4 would be A. Johnson. And a 9 would be Lincoln.
	~ductor ab grandis divinitus~ CDXXVII

03-03-2004, 02:11 AM	#5 (permalink)
Pliedes Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Puget Sound Posts: 4,594 Internets: 1608	Yes, because in a capitalist country, the president has a really big effect of the economy.

03-03-2004, 05:14 AM	#6 (permalink)
Lethal Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Warsaw Posts: 491 Internets: 10	Don't say a God damned thing about taking over oil wells. France and Russia, both who neither backed us in taking out Sadam in Irag, are now trying to secure oil contracts from Iraq in the post Sadam era. Both of these countries are fucking hipocritical. I don't think anyone has a right to bash Bush with the job he has done. He has gone through a lot of shit as President and done a great job leading this country through all of it. Bush will be re-elected, and the vote won't even be close.

03-04-2004, 12:56 AM	#8 (permalink)
Super Nintendo Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Elkhart/Bloomington Posts: 200 Internets: 10	Wow...a rating from VOL of 7/10...it's official folks! George Bush is a solid C. 70% no better, no worse....all this according to a brand new scientific rating system set up by VOL. Seriously, if he is a 7? Who's a 4? Who's a 9?

03-04-2004, 03:30 AM	#10 (permalink)
Pliedes Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Puget Sound Posts: 4,594 Internets: 1608	And what would Kennedy be?

03-04-2004, 12:40 PM	#13 (permalink)
St. Anky Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 1,581 Internets: 6603	Why the hell do we take it so easy on our president? Seriously, the man's job is to lead our country. Not just anyone should be selected to do so. I think Bush is horrible. My argument? No Child Left Behind Act= BULLSHITT! It's taking money away from poor, underdeveloped schools which are already producing violent, impoverished children who come from broken homes. Sure, lets give money to schools that are doing well... turn 12 years of schooling into a SAT preparation regime. And why the hell does everyone blame the economy on the president? Half the time, the president has little effect on the economy. Its fluxuation, growth can only last so long... My final statement: FUCK BUSH. Thanks.

03-04-2004, 04:09 PM	#18 (permalink)
Pliedes Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Puget Sound Posts: 4,594 Internets: 1608	Dumbass, foreign policy refers to other countries, not the American populus.

03-04-2004, 07:07 PM	#20 (permalink)
Pliedes Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Puget Sound Posts: 4,594 Internets: 1608	We elect the President to make decisions. We are not a pure democracy, sorry to inform you. If you're talking about the will of the people, well, a majority of americans supported action in Iraq anyway, so what's the problem?

03-04-2004, 08:07 PM	#21 (permalink)
Percipere'Chan Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: My Machine Posts: 460 Internets: -238	We are not 'a' democracy, sorry to inform you.
	Dead, death, grim on a pale horse, empty, hollow, inanimate, fataled, black curtained, annihilated.

03-04-2004, 08:12 PM	#22 (permalink)
Pliedes Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Puget Sound Posts: 4,594 Internets: 1608	I just said that, what's your point?

03-04-2004, 08:19 PM	#23 (permalink)
Percipere'Chan Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: My Machine Posts: 460 Internets: -238	Seeing as how you see no difference between questioning purity and questioning existence, for you, I have none.
	Dead, death, grim on a pale horse, empty, hollow, inanimate, fataled, black curtained, annihilated.

03-05-2004, 12:04 AM	#24 (permalink)
I Drink Alone Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Warsaw, IN Posts: 154 Internets: 10	I couldn't believe it. I saw an add campaign ffor G.Dubb, and hhe was uuusing Septemmber 11 as a way to get peoplle to vote forr him, thats so shity to exploit something like that.
	Whenever death may surprise us, let it be welcome if our battle cry has reached even one receptive ear and another hand reaches out to take up our arms. - Ernesto Che Guevara