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Repugnant Abomination · 01-15-2008, 02:56 PM

I've been studying the manifesto the past couple of days and I have to say I agree with a lot of what it says. Most of the ideas are things we're all aware of but have a difficult time pinning down; he does so flawlessly. A little background information:

Dr. Theodore John "Ted" Kaczynski (born May 22, 1942), known as the Unabomber, is an American terrorist who carried out a campaign of bombings and mail bombings that killed 3 and wounded 23. He sent bombs to several universities, airlines, and other targets from the late 1970s through the mid-1990s.

As a youg man he was a child prodigy and tested as a genius. He applied to and was accepted into Harvard at 16, where he scored at the very top of his class. After graduating he, long story short, didn't like teaching, and eventually went into seclusion.

He probably never would have been captured if he never put out the manifesto, because the FBI had no clue until his brother and his brother's wife recognized Ted's voice in the manifesto writings, but obviously it was important enough for Ted to risk it. I highly recommend you guys read it (it's about 35 pages) and come back to the thread to talk about it. It's really pretty interesting stuff.

I was going to try and summarize it for the lazy bastards of the board, but I realized I can't - I wouldn't be doing it justice. Just go read it.

http://www.thecourier.com/manifest.htm

Mr. Blonde · 01-15-2008, 03:16 PM

i will read this...soon.

Ironic Mustache · 01-15-2008, 05:28 PM

I'm going to read it too as soon as I get some time to kill. (More time than just a few minutes of posting.)

Orgazmo · 01-15-2008, 06:46 PM

Since Repug is way too lazy, will one of you guys summarize it? Thanks.

C00ter · 01-15-2008, 07:06 PM

I actually just watched a special about the Unabomber on National Geographic. Show is called Unabomber: The Secret History and comes on again this Sunday at 4pm. I haven't read the manifesto, but after watching the special I really think that Ted had a mental illness that made him believe all this stuff was real. I guess you really can't get that from reading the paper, but think about a man who sits in a little 12X6 cabin all day, makes bombs, and plots attacks...I would think anyone would go insane.

Repugnant Abomination · 01-15-2008, 07:12 PM

Hold up, c00ter, what do you mean by you think he had a mental illness that made him believe all this stuff was real. What exactly do you think he thought was real that wasn't?

C00ter · 01-15-2008, 08:11 PM

Kaczynski argued for the destruction of the industrial system in order to rid the world of modern technology.

Repugnant Abomination · 01-15-2008, 08:37 PM

Yeah, right, I know that much...So what exactly is insane about that?

You have to put it in the proper context, too. It wasn't about destroying industrialism for the sake of ridding the world of technology, it was about doing so for the sake of humanity.

THEINCREDIBLEdork · 01-15-2008, 09:08 PM

Quit trying to be cute pretending that destroying humanity for the sake of humanity is sane.

Repugnant Abomination · 01-15-2008, 09:14 PM

Read the manifesto before you talk, noob.

Beebs · 01-15-2008, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Repugnant Abomination

Yeah, right, I know that much...So what exactly is insane about that?

You have to put it in the proper context, too. It wasn't about destroying industrialism for the sake of ridding the world of technology, it was about doing so for the sake of humanity.

Whats insane about it is the means, pure and simple.

Hitler wanted to make the world a better place and honestly thought he was doing so, we was well intentioned in his diseased mind, but thats exactly what makes him and ole Teddy so insane, their brain doesn't function right.

THEINCREDIBLEdork · 01-15-2008, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Repugnant Abomination

Read the manifesto before you talk, noob.

I honestly did read it. Its garbage.

Repugnant Abomination · 01-15-2008, 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Beebs

Whats insane about it is the means, pure and simple.

Hitler wanted to make the world a better place and honestly thought he was doing so, we was well intentioned in his diseased mind, but thats exactly what makes him and ole Teddy so insane, their brain doesn't function right.

I don't support him bombing people and trying to change the world that way, but I agree with some of his ideas about industrialization. I don't see what's crazy about it at all.

Repugnant Abomination · 01-15-2008, 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by THEINCREDIBLEdork

I honestly did read it. Its garbage.

Be more specific.

Ugly Bastard · 01-15-2008, 10:21 PM

Some of his psychological insights (so far I'm up to the "Surrogate Activities" section) are kinda interesting.

Quote:

In modern industrial society only minimal effort is necessary to satisfy one's physical needs. It is enough to go through a training program to acquire some petty technical skill, then come to work on time and exert very modest effort needed to hold a job. The only requirements are a moderate amount of intelligence, and most of all, simple OBEDIENCE. If one has those, society takes care of one from cradle to grave.

QFT.

Ironic Mustache · 01-16-2008, 10:49 AM

If there are suddenly bombings in Oregon I know who I'll be pointing the finger at.

Mr. Blonde · 01-16-2008, 12:22 PM

Ugly Bastard · 01-16-2008, 01:23 PM

Ironic Mustache · 01-16-2008, 01:44 PM

Incredible. Blonde, you've been on top of your shit lately.

Repugnant Abomination · 01-16-2008, 02:28 PM

LOL! Nice.

Ironic Mustache · 01-16-2008, 02:29 PM

Yeah that's it, play it off. We're on to you asshole.

Ugly Bastard · 01-16-2008, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by C00ter

Kaczynski argued for the destruction of the industrial system in order to rid the world of modern technology.

I don't think he wanted to rid the world of modern technology just for the sake of doing so. My take on his writing is that he feels humanity's net happiness level will increase by doing so.

Mr. Blonde · 01-16-2008, 04:29 PM

I still haven't read it yet, but isn't that like...impossible?

Repugnant Abomination · 01-16-2008, 05:27 PM

Is what impossible? Ridding the world of modern technology? From a realistic standpoint, yes, probably. But from an ideological perspective, is it an insane idea? I don't think so. Read the manifesto, I found, and you may as well, that his arguments are very convincing, if not occasionally over simplistic.

Mr. Blonde · 01-16-2008, 05:35 PM

I haven't read it yet, I never said they were insane, from what i'm hearing I somewhat understand the concept, but it's a "once you go black" kinda thing....yes it would may be better for the human race altogether (once again haven't read it yet) but it's just not feasible for the entire population to adopt it...only way would be a massive, permanent EMP or something. But i'm pretty sure at least 75% of the population would think it insane to voluntarily give up modern technology.

01-15-2008, 02:56 PM	#1 (permalink)
Repugnant Abomination Almost there... Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 5,979 Internets: 164547	the Unabomber's Manifesto I've been studying the manifesto the past couple of days and I have to say I agree with a lot of what it says. Most of the ideas are things we're all aware of but have a difficult time pinning down; he does so flawlessly. A little background information: Dr. Theodore John "Ted" Kaczynski (born May 22, 1942), known as the Unabomber, is an American terrorist who carried out a campaign of bombings and mail bombings that killed 3 and wounded 23. He sent bombs to several universities, airlines, and other targets from the late 1970s through the mid-1990s. As a youg man he was a child prodigy and tested as a genius. He applied to and was accepted into Harvard at 16, where he scored at the very top of his class. After graduating he, long story short, didn't like teaching, and eventually went into seclusion. He probably never would have been captured if he never put out the manifesto, because the FBI had no clue until his brother and his brother's wife recognized Ted's voice in the manifesto writings, but obviously it was important enough for Ted to risk it. I highly recommend you guys read it (it's about 35 pages) and come back to the thread to talk about it. It's really pretty interesting stuff. I was going to try and summarize it for the lazy bastards of the board, but I realized I can't - I wouldn't be doing it justice. Just go read it. http://www.thecourier.com/manifest.htm

01-15-2008, 03:16 PM	#2 (permalink)
Mr. Blonde Spice Master Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 17,969 Internets: 284106	i will read this...soon.
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01-15-2008, 05:28 PM	#3 (permalink)
Ironic Mustache G'd up from the feet up. Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Cali Posts: 7,146 Supreme Emperor of the Jiu Jitsu Shit Forum?: Yes Internets: 114735	I'm going to read it too as soon as I get some time to kill. (More time than just a few minutes of posting.)
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01-15-2008, 08:37 PM	#8 (permalink)
Repugnant Abomination Almost there... Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 5,979 Internets: 164547	Yeah, right, I know that much...So what exactly is insane about that? You have to put it in the proper context, too. It wasn't about destroying industrialism for the sake of ridding the world of technology, it was about doing so for the sake of humanity.
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01-15-2008, 09:08 PM	#9 (permalink)
THEINCREDIBLEdork Emperor Meow Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 9,353 Internets: 290966	Quit trying to be cute pretending that destroying humanity for the sake of humanity is sane.
	#YOLO

01-15-2008, 06:46 PM	#4 (permalink)
Orgazmo COME ON YOU YANKS Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Indiana Posts: 15,733 Internets: 311447	Since Repug is way too lazy, will one of you guys summarize it? Thanks.

01-15-2008, 07:06 PM	#5 (permalink)
C00ter Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: MBury! Posts: 119 Internets: 546	I actually just watched a special about the Unabomber on National Geographic. Show is called Unabomber: The Secret History and comes on again this Sunday at 4pm. I haven't read the manifesto, but after watching the special I really think that Ted had a mental illness that made him believe all this stuff was real. I guess you really can't get that from reading the paper, but think about a man who sits in a little 12X6 cabin all day, makes bombs, and plots attacks...I would think anyone would go insane.

01-15-2008, 07:12 PM	#6 (permalink)
Repugnant Abomination Almost there... Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 5,979 Internets: 164547	Hold up, c00ter, what do you mean by you think he had a mental illness that made him believe all this stuff was real. What exactly do you think he thought was real that wasn't?

01-15-2008, 08:11 PM	#7 (permalink)
C00ter Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: MBury! Posts: 119 Internets: 546	Kaczynski argued for the destruction of the industrial system in order to rid the world of modern technology.

01-15-2008, 09:14 PM	#10 (permalink)
Repugnant Abomination Almost there... Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 5,979 Internets: 164547	Read the manifesto before you talk, noob.

01-16-2008, 10:49 AM	#16 (permalink)
Ironic Mustache G'd up from the feet up. Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Cali Posts: 7,146 Supreme Emperor of the Jiu Jitsu Shit Forum?: Yes Internets: 114735	If there are suddenly bombings in Oregon I know who I'll be pointing the finger at.
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01-16-2008, 12:22 PM	#17 (permalink)
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01-16-2008, 01:44 PM	#19 (permalink)
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01-16-2008, 02:28 PM	#20 (permalink)
Repugnant Abomination Almost there... Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 5,979 Internets: 164547	LOL! Nice.

01-16-2008, 02:29 PM	#21 (permalink)
Ironic Mustache G'd up from the feet up. Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Cali Posts: 7,146 Supreme Emperor of the Jiu Jitsu Shit Forum?: Yes Internets: 114735	Yeah that's it, play it off. We're on to you asshole.
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01-16-2008, 04:29 PM	#23 (permalink)
Mr. Blonde Spice Master Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 17,969 Internets: 284106	I still haven't read it yet, but isn't that like...impossible?
	Psychedelics are illegal not because a loving government is concerned that you may jump out of a third story window. Psychedelics are illegal because they dissolve opinion structures and culturally laid down models of behavior and information processing. ― Terence McKenna

01-16-2008, 05:27 PM	#24 (permalink)
Repugnant Abomination Almost there... Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 5,979 Internets: 164547	Is what impossible? Ridding the world of modern technology? From a realistic standpoint, yes, probably. But from an ideological perspective, is it an insane idea? I don't think so. Read the manifesto, I found, and you may as well, that his arguments are very convincing, if not occasionally over simplistic.

01-16-2008, 05:35 PM	#25 (permalink)
Mr. Blonde Spice Master Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 17,969 Internets: 284106	I haven't read it yet, I never said they were insane, from what i'm hearing I somewhat understand the concept, but it's a "once you go black" kinda thing....yes it would may be better for the human race altogether (once again haven't read it yet) but it's just not feasible for the entire population to adopt it...only way would be a massive, permanent EMP or something. But i'm pretty sure at least 75% of the population would think it insane to voluntarily give up modern technology.
	Psychedelics are illegal not because a loving government is concerned that you may jump out of a third story window. Psychedelics are illegal because they dissolve opinion structures and culturally laid down models of behavior and information processing. ― Terence McKenna