Tipping With a Pizza Delivery Charges.

[hfam95]

Is one supposed to tip the driver when the Pizza place charge a separate $4 delivery fee?

[Heaven Can Wait]

No, fuck them.

This is another thing that pisses me off about some places in England, there's a minimum wage for a reason, most places don't tip, some do.
Why am I expected to tip at some restaurants, and not others?
Case in point is http://www.toby-carvery.co.uk/
you go up and serve your own food.. and tip for doing so?

[hfam95]

Normally, my answer would be no. Except they sent a decent looking bitch about 20 years old or so who flirted back with me. She got to keep the change.

[DJ FC]

I voted yes. But in the UK, no.

[Orgazmo]

Voted yes. Normally delivery charge is $2 here, though...and I tip $2. With $4 charge, that's getting a little ridiculous.

[Ironic Mustache]

Hardly anywhere here charges for delivery... Usually they just give you "incentive" to come pick it up in the form of a free 2-liter soder or something.

[Ugly Bastard]

I'd take a pass if there's a $4 fee. Fucking socialists. I'm a fantastic tipper, so service industry workers everywhere should get pissed when their place of employment builds in the tip for them. Leave me to my own devices, and the pimply-faced motherfucker gets $5 every time.

[Dent]

I really think tipping should be optional and have a direct link to service given, I understand the delivery fee, but this should include paying the wages of the deliverer.

[Ironic Mustache]

Your santa hat avatar usage is GENIUS.

[Repugnant Abomination]

Nice 'tar, Dent.

I worked for Papa Johns and Dominoes when I was younger, and I say yes, you absolutely tip your driver. Not only do the drivers usually help make your pizza, they also bring it to your doorstep. Often times the store won't give you enough money per run to cover your gas - for example, I think they paid us .50 cents for every delivery to cover for gas. Plus, think of all the extra miles you put on your vehicle. Tips help.

Deliver charges are bullshit. It's just a way for the employer to put more burden on the customer. They squeeze more money out of you, and manage to screw their drivers over in the process by making the customer feel less generous.

[Ironic Mustache]

Originally Posted by Repugnant Abomination

Nice 'tar, Dent.

I worked for Papa Johns and Dominoes when I was younger, and I say yes, you absolutely tip your driver. Not only do the drivers usually help make your pizza, they also bring it to your doorstep. Often times the store won't give you enough money per run to cover your gas - for example, I think they paid us .50 cents for every delivery to cover for gas. Plus, think of all the extra miles you put on your vehicle. Tips help.

Deliver charges are bullshit. It's just a way for the employer to put more burden on the customer. They squeeze more money out of you, and manage to screw their drivers over in the process by making the customer feel less generous.

I was a delivery driver too when I was like 17--for a week. That's why I have to disagree with you. Yes it sucks ass, and yes you get dicked, and yes even if everyone tipped you you'd still be making shit money. But if you don't like it, there's always quitting and getting a better job, which is what I did.

[Repugnant Abomination]

Well then why tip a waitress? She serves you more, but combined with helping to make the pizza, making sure they get all of their items (soda, bread sticks, etc,) and driving out to your house, I would say the drive does almost as much as the waitress. This question is under the premise that there is no, or little, delivery charge.

[Ironic Mustache]

I tip waitresses based on their attentiveness to me. Waiters tend to go out of their way to be extra helpful and tend to my needs. They could very easily not say shit to me, not bring me a new drink just as I'm finishing my old one, etc. Delivery drivers do the minimum their job requires. Waiters (the ones who want big tips) strive to go above and beyond. The ones who don't, suck. They usually end up not making a ton of tips.

[f3lix]

Service charges piss me off. They get the exact amount for the bill when there's a delivery charge.

[hfam95]

Thx for shedding light on this repug. I really was not sure if the delivery charge (or any portion) actually went to the driver. The waitress analogy is a bit different. Some places include the gratuity by fixing it in the price or tacking it on automatically for larger tables. In this situation one generally knows where they stand.

While I don't think it's the customer's responsibility to ensure that the wait staff is properly compensated, it is the game played over here. I much prefer the Euro system where tax and service is included.

[Ugly Bastard]

Originally Posted by hfam95

I much prefer the Euro system where tax and service is included.

Woah... gotta disagree big time here. The service in Europe sucks ass. Servers have zero incentive to bust their ass and get you what you want... they get paid the same either way.

[Heaven Can Wait]

Originally Posted by Ugly Bastard

Woah... gotta disagree big time here. The service in Europe sucks ass. Servers have zero incentive to bust their ass and get you what you want... they get paid the same either way.

Agreed, they are only waiting on you for money, its logical to assume that the better you are the more you earn.
But compulsary tips are also bullshit, a price should include it being delivered to you, if it doesn't then you should have the option of going and getting it yourself.
Also, im pretty sure the majority of europe tips.

[f3lix]

The service workers in Australia don't work on tips either but ironically enough performed better. Their incentive was to keep their job and treat everybody equally. They didn't have the favoritism for high tipping customers that we experience here in America. I liked it better there when it came to gratuity.

[Ironic Mustache]

I'd like to add that I do tip delivery drivers a few bucks and usually over tip waiters, I just don't like the idea behind being expected to.

[Ugly Bastard]

Originally Posted by f3lix

They didn't have the favoritism for high tipping customers that we experience here in America.

Yea god forbid that should be taking place.

[Repugnant Abomination]

If you don't want to tip the driver then go pick the pizza up yourself.

/thread

[f3lix]

Originally Posted by Ugly Bastard

Yea god forbid that should be taking place.

In a crowded bar, why should I have to tip/pay an extra $20 to avoid having some guy just walk in and drop a large tip to get to the front of the line. Plus, bartenders tend to snub service in favor of those who are big tippers. I find this an absolute waste of money just to get some simple service that a one-armed monkey could perform.

[hfam95]

Originally Posted by Ugly Bastard

Woah... gotta disagree big time here. The service in Europe sucks ass. Servers have zero incentive to bust their ass and get you what you want... they get paid the same either way.

Actually, what I like is that if something says 15 euros, that's how much I pay. Not $9.99 + 8.25% sales tax and a 15-20% gratuity to get to some other number. But on to your point.

I'll not say that Euro service is better in an apples to apples comparison. Not at all. I guess it's also probably not accurate to say all European countries work the same. God knows that Spain and the benelux countries are totally different from one another and so forth. And the U.K. seems to me to be it's own world.

I tried to move to Spain a few years back but they wouldn't let me. Yeah, there's a few differences. Any place with a Michelin star or tying to get one will have exceptional service like a comparable place here. At a simple lunch bistro, you order, get your stuff and leave. No such thing as free drink refills and if you do want something, you gotta get pushy. Same with nicer hotels, have stars and you want for nothing. Hotels where the bathroom is "down the hall" not so much.

The service in the U.S. at a lot of places sucks ass as well. I dread going to a large "family friendly" chain like On the Border. Typically, I get some braces wearing high school ditz who pretty much is more interested in socializing with her friends who work there or visit. So my glass doesn't get refilled anyway unless I pushy.

[DDTempest]

In a bar, I generally prefer to deal with the bartender directly. Having a server usually results in one of two scenarios:

A. I order a drink, it's $4.50 ... I give her a $10 or $20 and she gives me a five then snubs me for the rest of the night because she only got a 50 cent tip on that drink because I am sure as fuck not going to give her $5 for walking a beer 15 feet. And its not like I wasn't going to make up for it on the next drink or at the end of the night.

B. I pay with credit and can't get my fucking check when I want to leave. If I want to leave its because there is somewhere else I want to be and I don't really care to wait 30 minutes for her to get around to cashing me out.

I am perfectly fine with getting up and walking to the bar for every drink, it adds more chances to mingle etc. If it was an option I would fill my own fucking beer and take it to the checkout myself just so I didn't have to deal with some jackass bartender.

As far as pizza goes, I always just pick it up myself.

All in all I generally tip 15-20%


Also I hate listening to servers complain about how hard their job is and how low their payed. I just look at them and say "do you tip your garbage man? road workers? mail carrier? No? Then shut up and get a new job."

[Heaven Can Wait]

Isn't the idea of a drink costing a lot more in a bar because the idea is that some of that will get passed onto the people pouring/serving said drink?
regular stores make a profit and they sell for way less than half the price in a bar, and someone has to stack those on shelves and shit too.