Would you go to middle east to work? - Nubblies.net Forums

SittinOnDubsWGW · 02-08-2009, 07:50 PM

Assuming the detail is still going to be there in 6 months, I'm contemplating on going overseas to teach security/patrol/tracking techniques. I believe they are sending guys to Iraq and Israel, not 100% sure.

Pros:
I think it would be kinda cool to go over there just to check it out as I have always wanted to see how bad it really is over there.
Of course, the money. Its pretty good, not as good as the likes of Blackwater, but also, I won't be driving armored convoys of VIPS that people want dead around either.
Housing and all costs are covered, so again, pretty much all the money being made will be pocketed and the majority tax-free.

Cons:
Possibility of getting blown up.
????

What would it take for you to go overseas?

Mr. Blonde · 02-08-2009, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by SittinOnDubsWGW

What would it take for you to go overseas?

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Originally Posted by SittinOnDubsWGW

Of course, the money. Its pretty good...Housing and all costs are covered, so again, pretty much all the money being made will be pocketed and the majority tax-free.

Orgazmo · 02-08-2009, 08:12 PM

As far as the money goes, how good is "pretty good"?

THEINCREDIBLEdork · 02-08-2009, 09:06 PM

i'd do it w/o thinking twice

SittinOnDubsWGW · 02-08-2009, 09:18 PM

60-70K+ for around 6 months work.

Ugly Bastard · 02-08-2009, 09:44 PM

Pretty fucking good pay. I mean, even if the place sucks balls, six months is only six months. I think I'd do it.

Mr. Blonde · 02-08-2009, 10:12 PM

I'd like to think Nubblites are more ballsy than most when given such an opportunity.

SittinOnDubsWGW · 02-08-2009, 10:12 PM

shit yeah. Thats one of the reasons I'm leaning toward going. hell even at 60K pocketed. I'd get rid of all debt and put a decent amount down on a house.

Surprisingly enough, this isn't a heavily sought after detail. I just hope the opportunity is still there in 6 months when I'll be eligible to go.

Repugnant Abomination · 02-08-2009, 10:15 PM

I think it would be an adventure, but like all adventures there is some serious risk involved. Obviously it goes without saying that you should be super fucking careful over there, but if you're willing to risk it then why not?

Mr. Blonde · 02-08-2009, 10:22 PM

Fuck it dude. No family (wife/kids and other fam doesn't live out here), you're young, you'll be getting paid to see the world. Do it.

Dent · 02-09-2009, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Blonde

Fuck it dude. No family (wife/kids and other fam doesn't live out here), you're young, you'll be getting paid to see the world. Do it.

Exactly my feelings on the navy.

I'd do it.

f3lix · 02-09-2009, 04:27 PM

The pay is high because of low demand. The US Soldier suicide rate is quite high right now and I'm sure there are good reasons. You'd see things you'd never forget (maybe good and bad.) I'd think of the post-trip consequences before accepting.

Mr. Blonde · 02-09-2009, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by f3lix

The US Soldier suicide rate is quite high right now and I'm sure there are good reasons.

This intrigues me. do you have a source?

f3lix · 02-09-2009, 04:52 PM

AFP: US soldier suicides rise sharply in January

US Army Soldier Suicides Soared In 2008 To Highest Level Of All Time - Pentagon, Iraq, Afghanistan | World News | Sky News

Soldiers' Suicide Rate On Pace to Set Record - washingtonpost.com

Mr. Blonde · 02-09-2009, 05:06 PM

wow, i had no idea the numbers were like that. i mean, i guess it makes sense, but still, they don't talk about it much in media it seems...guess i shouldn't be surprised

f3lix · 02-09-2009, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Blonde

they don't talk about it much in media it seems

Because then we might question the gov't and that means we're losing the war.

Ugly Bastard · 02-09-2009, 05:08 PM

So long as we're talking about soldiers, do I have a sign on my head that says "if you've been at war in the Middle East and we're in a bar together right now, please come ruin my night with story after story about how horrible things are over there and how your life is now ruined at the age of 21"? 'Cause sometimes I think I have that sign on my head.

Not to sound like an insensitive prick, but sometimes I just want to tell these guys that I'm not a therapist, I don't care about their lives, I didn't choose for them to join the military, and to leave me the fuck alone. But then I'm always worried if I say that I'll get my neck broken by some mentally unbalanced kid with some serious PTSD issues.

THEINCREDIBLEdork · 02-09-2009, 05:57 PM

Reminds me I met the biggest piece of shit doosh marine cocksucker last summer. Just thinking about about it pisses me off again now. I don't wanna talk about it.

TwoBlackEyes · 02-09-2009, 06:08 PM

My husband was an officer in the Navy.

Just the military lifestyle alone nearly drove him to suicide. Those numbers aren't surprising at all.

A lot of people with issues are drawn to the military for lots of different reasons. Some thrive and some are thrown into a tailspin, depending on how the lifestyle affects them and the length of the term they signed up for. When you're depressed and hopeless and staring down at least 4 more years of hell, suicide can look really good.

Going across as a contractor is another barrel of fish, because you're not indentured for years of service. You don't like it? Get out. If you do, you can stay as long as you want. Yeah, you might see some bad shit, but at least you're unlikely to be stuck in that situation for long.

Repugnant Abomination · 02-09-2009, 06:19 PM

I have little to no respect for people who join the military. I can sympathize with at risk youths who are drawn to the military because of the sleek marketing, and as a way out, but you seem like a smart guy Dent, so why? What's the appeal? Do you really want to put yourself in a position to have to follow a chain of command? Wouldn't you rather be in charge of yourself, instead of having some half retarded gorilla barking orders at you? Don't you see the potential moral dilemmas you'll face, when potentially asked to kill people? Do you lack the ability to make decisions for yourself, without some secretive, rigid hierarchy telling you when you can take a shit? Have you bought into the propaganda that you’re “fighting for freedom”…? If we were in the middle of world war fucking two or something I can see why someone would want to fight, but we’re just invading other countries. Do any of us really believe that we NEED to be in the Middle East right now?

Think twice before signing your body over to an institution that doesn’t give a shit about you and only wants you to push forward the agendas of politicians.

TwoBlackEyes · 02-09-2009, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Repugnant Abomination

I have little to no respect for people who join the military. I can sympathize with at risk youths who are drawn to the military because of the sleek marketing, and as a way out, but you seem like a smart guy Dent, so why? What's the appeal? Do you really want to put yourself in a position to have to follow a chain of command?

Some people enjoy exactly that. Some people think that they're gonna get into the "cool" parts of the military. Want to fly fighter jets? How else you think you're gonna get to do that? Want to get into super-cool intelligence? What other avenues are there? Want to travel around the world on a submarine? Want to get a steady, decent paying job with retirement and health benefits with a GED or less?

yeah, some people get in because they're stupid or bloodthirsty. But to say that's the only reason is shortsighted and, well, ridiculous.

Dent · 02-09-2009, 07:01 PM

No I don't think we should be in the middle east, It's all bullshit and I understand that, however I do believe that armed forces are needed (albeit a lot smaller than they currently are)
I don't see the link to being 'In charge of yourself' the vast majority of jobs has a heirarchy, the pro's of being in the forces are that if you do your job well then rising through the ranks is easy.
I doubt I'll ever be in a position where I'll have a direct option of killing/not killing, and I doubt I could kill someone I didn't know.

With the moral side out the way, I really don't see many other options for a decent job, I don't want to be stuck in an office, that's even more bullshit with companies caring more for the shareholders than the workers.

Repugnant Abomination · 02-09-2009, 07:50 PM

I can empathize with the desire to have a "fun", adventurous job. I don't think any of us want to be stuck in an office 8 hours a day. But, shit, there's a reason military suicide rates are so high. Also, I don't think comparing following orders in the military to following orders in an office setting is very accurate. I mean, of course you will always have someone above you, but we're talking about launching torpedoes versus filing a folder. Furthermore, until you get high up enough in the military nobody is going to listen to anything you say - in fact, my understanding is you're basically told to stfu and do what you're told. Contrasted to an office (or whatever) where your opinions will at least be entertained in the very least because they want to increase efficiency and make more profit.

And let me just clarify that I recognize the need for a military, but I agree with Dent that it shouldn't be nearly as big as it is. I support the military for things like rescue relief, special ops type stuff where they need to rescue someone, and so on... But honestly, we have enough nukes to deter any direct confrontations - our military is so large right now because we have bases all over the friggin world.

THEINCREDIBLEdork · 02-09-2009, 08:14 PM

It doesn't matter anyway since we're all just slaves of govcorp, supporting the illuminated elite's black magic power rituals involving pedophilia.

DDTempest · 02-10-2009, 12:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ugly Bastard

So long as we're talking about soldiers, do I have a sign on my head that says "if you've been at war in the Middle East and we're in a bar together right now, please come ruin my night with story after story about how horrible things are over there and how your life is now ruined at the age of 21"? 'Cause sometimes I think I have that sign on my head.

That night was fucking hilarious!!

Quote:

Not to sound like an insensitive prick, but sometimes I just want to tell these guys that I'm not a therapist, I don't care about their lives, I didn't choose for them to join the military, and to leave me the fuck alone. But then I'm always worried if I say that I'll get my neck broken by some mentally unbalanced kid with some serious PTSD issues.

Listening to soldiers bitch about war is like listening to a sewage worker complain about how shitty their job is.

02-08-2009, 07:50 PM	#1 (permalink)
SittinOnDubsWGW I make bad decisions. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Desert Posts: 3,018 Internets: 108015	Would you go to middle east to work? Assuming the detail is still going to be there in 6 months, I'm contemplating on going overseas to teach security/patrol/tracking techniques. I believe they are sending guys to Iraq and Israel, not 100% sure. Pros: I think it would be kinda cool to go over there just to check it out as I have always wanted to see how bad it really is over there. Of course, the money. Its pretty good, not as good as the likes of Blackwater, but also, I won't be driving armored convoys of VIPS that people want dead around either. Housing and all costs are covered, so again, pretty much all the money being made will be pocketed and the majority tax-free. Cons: Possibility of getting blown up. ???? What would it take for you to go overseas?

02-08-2009, 09:06 PM	#4 (permalink)
THEINCREDIBLEdork Emperor Meow Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 9,353 Internets: 290966	i'd do it w/o thinking twice
	#YOLO

02-08-2009, 10:12 PM	#8 (permalink)
SittinOnDubsWGW I make bad decisions. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Desert Posts: 3,018 Internets: 108015	shit yeah. Thats one of the reasons I'm leaning toward going. hell even at 60K pocketed. I'd get rid of all debt and put a decent amount down on a house. Surprisingly enough, this isn't a heavily sought after detail. I just hope the opportunity is still there in 6 months when I'll be eligible to go.
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02-09-2009, 05:57 PM	#18 (permalink)
THEINCREDIBLEdork Emperor Meow Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 9,353 Internets: 290966	Reminds me I met the biggest piece of shit doosh marine cocksucker last summer. Just thinking about about it pisses me off again now. I don't wanna talk about it.
	#YOLO

02-09-2009, 06:19 PM	#20 (permalink)
Repugnant Abomination Almost there... Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 5,979 Internets: 164547	I have little to no respect for people who join the military. I can sympathize with at risk youths who are drawn to the military because of the sleek marketing, and as a way out, but you seem like a smart guy Dent, so why? What's the appeal? Do you really want to put yourself in a position to have to follow a chain of command? Wouldn't you rather be in charge of yourself, instead of having some half retarded gorilla barking orders at you? Don't you see the potential moral dilemmas you'll face, when potentially asked to kill people? Do you lack the ability to make decisions for yourself, without some secretive, rigid hierarchy telling you when you can take a shit? Have you bought into the propaganda that you’re “fighting for freedom”…? If we were in the middle of world war fucking two or something I can see why someone would want to fight, but we’re just invading other countries. Do any of us really believe that we NEED to be in the Middle East right now? Think twice before signing your body over to an institution that doesn’t give a shit about you and only wants you to push forward the agendas of politicians.
	Last edited by Repugnant Abomination; 02-09-2009 at 06:28 PM.

02-08-2009, 08:12 PM	#3 (permalink)
Orgazmo COME ON YOU YANKS Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Indiana Posts: 15,733 Internets: 311447	As far as the money goes, how good is "pretty good"?

02-08-2009, 09:18 PM	#5 (permalink)
SittinOnDubsWGW I make bad decisions. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Desert Posts: 3,018 Internets: 108015	60-70K+ for around 6 months work.

02-08-2009, 09:44 PM	#6 (permalink)
Ugly Bastard Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: U.S.A. Posts: 13,643 Internets: 247330	Pretty fucking good pay. I mean, even if the place sucks balls, six months is only six months. I think I'd do it.

02-08-2009, 10:12 PM	#7 (permalink)
Mr. Blonde Spice Master Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 17,969 Internets: 284106	I'd like to think Nubblites are more ballsy than most when given such an opportunity.

02-08-2009, 10:15 PM	#9 (permalink)
Repugnant Abomination Almost there... Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 5,979 Internets: 164547	I think it would be an adventure, but like all adventures there is some serious risk involved. Obviously it goes without saying that you should be super fucking careful over there, but if you're willing to risk it then why not?

02-08-2009, 10:22 PM	#10 (permalink)
Mr. Blonde Spice Master Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 17,969 Internets: 284106	Fuck it dude. No family (wife/kids and other fam doesn't live out here), you're young, you'll be getting paid to see the world. Do it.

02-09-2009, 04:27 PM	#12 (permalink)
f3lix Gangnam Style Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: DH's Massage Parlor Posts: 6,383 Internets: 213510	The pay is high because of low demand. The US Soldier suicide rate is quite high right now and I'm sure there are good reasons. You'd see things you'd never forget (maybe good and bad.) I'd think of the post-trip consequences before accepting.

02-09-2009, 04:52 PM	#14 (permalink)
f3lix Gangnam Style Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: DH's Massage Parlor Posts: 6,383 Internets: 213510	AFP: US soldier suicides rise sharply in January US Army Soldier Suicides Soared In 2008 To Highest Level Of All Time - Pentagon, Iraq, Afghanistan \| World News \| Sky News Soldiers' Suicide Rate On Pace to Set Record - washingtonpost.com

02-09-2009, 05:06 PM	#15 (permalink)
Mr. Blonde Spice Master Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 17,969 Internets: 284106	wow, i had no idea the numbers were like that. i mean, i guess it makes sense, but still, they don't talk about it much in media it seems...guess i shouldn't be surprised

02-09-2009, 05:08 PM	#17 (permalink)
Ugly Bastard Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: U.S.A. Posts: 13,643 Internets: 247330	So long as we're talking about soldiers, do I have a sign on my head that says "if you've been at war in the Middle East and we're in a bar together right now, please come ruin my night with story after story about how horrible things are over there and how your life is now ruined at the age of 21"? 'Cause sometimes I think I have that sign on my head. Not to sound like an insensitive prick, but sometimes I just want to tell these guys that I'm not a therapist, I don't care about their lives, I didn't choose for them to join the military, and to leave me the fuck alone. But then I'm always worried if I say that I'll get my neck broken by some mentally unbalanced kid with some serious PTSD issues.

02-09-2009, 06:08 PM	#19 (permalink)
TwoBlackEyes Been told twice Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 312 Internets: 1299	My husband was an officer in the Navy. Just the military lifestyle alone nearly drove him to suicide. Those numbers aren't surprising at all. A lot of people with issues are drawn to the military for lots of different reasons. Some thrive and some are thrown into a tailspin, depending on how the lifestyle affects them and the length of the term they signed up for. When you're depressed and hopeless and staring down at least 4 more years of hell, suicide can look really good. Going across as a contractor is another barrel of fish, because you're not indentured for years of service. You don't like it? Get out. If you do, you can stay as long as you want. Yeah, you might see some bad shit, but at least you're unlikely to be stuck in that situation for long.

02-09-2009, 07:01 PM	#22 (permalink)
Dent Lost in Hilbert Spice Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Surrounded by knaves and fools Posts: 3,528 Internets: 183146	No I don't think we should be in the middle east, It's all bullshit and I understand that, however I do believe that armed forces are needed (albeit a lot smaller than they currently are) I don't see the link to being 'In charge of yourself' the vast majority of jobs has a heirarchy, the pro's of being in the forces are that if you do your job well then rising through the ranks is easy. I doubt I'll ever be in a position where I'll have a direct option of killing/not killing, and I doubt I could kill someone I didn't know. With the moral side out the way, I really don't see many other options for a decent job, I don't want to be stuck in an office, that's even more bullshit with companies caring more for the shareholders than the workers.

02-09-2009, 07:50 PM	#23 (permalink)
Repugnant Abomination Almost there... Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 5,979 Internets: 164547	I can empathize with the desire to have a "fun", adventurous job. I don't think any of us want to be stuck in an office 8 hours a day. But, shit, there's a reason military suicide rates are so high. Also, I don't think comparing following orders in the military to following orders in an office setting is very accurate. I mean, of course you will always have someone above you, but we're talking about launching torpedoes versus filing a folder. Furthermore, until you get high up enough in the military nobody is going to listen to anything you say - in fact, my understanding is you're basically told to stfu and do what you're told. Contrasted to an office (or whatever) where your opinions will at least be entertained in the very least because they want to increase efficiency and make more profit. And let me just clarify that I recognize the need for a military, but I agree with Dent that it shouldn't be nearly as big as it is. I support the military for things like rescue relief, special ops type stuff where they need to rescue someone, and so on... But honestly, we have enough nukes to deter any direct confrontations - our military is so large right now because we have bases all over the friggin world.

02-09-2009, 08:14 PM	#24 (permalink)
THEINCREDIBLEdork Emperor Meow Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 9,353 Internets: 290966	It doesn't matter anyway since we're all just slaves of govcorp, supporting the illuminated elite's black magic power rituals involving pedophilia.
	#YOLO

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