Best Video Game of All-Time

[Mr. Blonde]

Originally Posted by Shaw

Because we aren't talking about swords and wizards? How about the magic ball that turns everyone into hobblits or whatever the hell they are? Oh is it because we haven't reference spock and Star Wars in the last 2 pages?

Yes.

[Ironic Mustache]

Swords and wizards games kick the ass end out of sports games.

[Cocktooth]

Originally Posted by Ironic Mustache

Swords and wizards games kick the ass end out of sports games.

Possibly on Atari, but times have changed sir.

[Fruitacious B]

No, they haven't. They've just gone on to include shooters. Sports games may be fun, but I doubt they have half the sales that swords and wizards and guns do.

[Cocktooth]

Pretty sure Madden outsales Lord of the Dragons. I would also take Fifa over The elder squirrels oblivion.

[Der Fuhrer]

PlayStation 2
Main article: List of best-selling PlayStation 2 video games

The top ten best-selling PlayStation 2 video games.

1. Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas (17.33 million approximately)[109][unreliable source?]
2. Gran Turismo 3: A-Spec (14.89 million approximately: 7.14 million in North America, 1.89 million in Japan, 5.85 in Europe)[99]
3. Gran Turismo 4 (10.76 million approximately: 2.97 million in North America, 6.36 in Europe, 1.26 in Japan)[99]
4. Grand Theft Auto: Vice City (9.21 million approximately: 8.2 million in US,[19] 410,293 in Japan,[110] 600,000 in UK)[37]
5. Grand Theft Auto III (7.509 million approximately: 6.55 million in US,[19] 358,917 in Japan,[110] 600,000 in UK)[37]
6. Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty (7 million)[111]
7. Final Fantasy X (6.6 million) [112]
8. Final Fantasy XII (5.2 million approximately: 2.4 million in Japan,[113] 1.7 million in US,[19] 1.1 million in Europe;[114] 5.2 million shipped)[115]
9. Kingdom Hearts (4.68 million approximately: 3.45 million in US,[19] 1.23 million in Japan;[47] 5.9 million shipped including Kingdom Hearts Final Mix and Ultimate Hits)[116]
10. Dragon Quest VIII: Journey of the Cursed King (4.44 million approximately: 3.6 million in Japan,[47][117] 410,000 in Europe,[118] 430,000 in North America;[119] 4.88 million shipped)[120]


I don't see Madden or FIFA on there...but I do see a lot of swords and dragons.

[Der Fuhrer]

By Franchise, from wikipedia:

1. Mario (240 million)[181]
2. Pokémon (200 million)[182]
3. Tetris (125 million)[73]
4. The Sims (125 million)[183]
5. Need for Speed (100 million)[184]
6. Final Fantasy (97 million)[185]
7. Madden NFL (75 million)[186]
8. Sonic the Hedgehog (70 million)[187]
9. Grand Theft Auto (70 million)[188]
10. FIFA (65 million)[189]

[Orgazmo]

I know this isn't part of the argument explicitly, but Shaw implies a lot of things by being Shaw. In this case, he's implying that he's only talking about Americans.

Sure, Japs play the shit out of dragons, but if you look at US only numbers, it looks like:
Final Fantasy XIII (ps3 - Mar 10) - 1,166,000
Madden 2010 (ps3 - Aug 14) - 2,084,170

The source is vgchartz.com. I have a feeling you'll see similar numbers if you break down any genre by country/continent. And, of course, if you take a look at Fifa's European numbers, they'll be through the roof compared to the other continents.

In short:
Americas: Football
Europe: Soccer
Japan: Dragons and Swords

[THEINCREDIBLEdork]

Why are the Japs so lame?

[Mr. Blonde]

THE JAPS ARE THE ONLY GODDAMN REASON YOU HAVE THOSE PLAYSTATIONS YOU UNGRATEFUL BASTARDS

[Der Fuhrer]

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[Mr. Blonde]

True. If I may digress, Asians really may seem to work harder than many of us when it comes to straight physical labor, and work longer hours, but I can say firsthand that Westerners are better at being both more innovative/creative, as well as efficient. Efficient as in, we can get the same amount of work done in a 40 hour workweek, whereas they're working 80 hours fucking off at work all day (which we all do to an extent, but sleeping on the job and mandatory two hour lunches with the boss are regular here). That's another thing -- because of the heirarchy bullshit, you can't leave work until your boss does. (if you're korean, that is) So if your boss stays till 8 or 9 or later at night, you're usually stuck staying too. And because the boss feels bad about this, rather than changing the status quo and making them go home, he takes everybody out to dinner with LOTS of Soju, which is mainly why alcoholism is so rampant in this country. Which of course, causes 6 year old kids to not have much of a father figure their whole lives.

The schools here don't build creativity at ALL. It's almost all rote memorization of facts, and they discourage diverging from the norm. I know this isn't really news, but to see it firsthand is pretty depressing -- almost everything is homogenous here, if something new gets adopted, EVERYBODY does it. Individuality is not a wanted characteristic.

[THEINCREDIBLEdork]

Who in the world works a 40 hour workweek?

[DDTempest]

Originally Posted by Orgazmo

I know this isn't part of the argument explicitly, but Shaw implies a lot of things by being Shaw. In this case, he's implying that he's only talking about Americans.

Sure, Japs play the shit out of dragons, but if you look at US only numbers, it looks like:
Final Fantasy XIII (ps3 - Mar 10) - 1,166,000
Madden 2010 (ps3 - Aug 14) - 2,084,170

Or you could take into account non console games (what the nerds play):

World of Warcraft with 8.6 million sold in us.

[Ironic Mustache]

Originally Posted by DDTempest

Or you could take into account non console games (what the nerds play):

World of Warcraft with 8.6 million sold in us.

That's one hell of a lot of swords and wizards and shit.

[Orgazmo]

Originally Posted by DDTempest

Or you could take into account non console games (what the nerds play):

World of Warcraft with 8.6 million sold in us.

True, but that's apples to oranges. PC sports games generally suck cock whilst mmorpg's on consoles generally suck cock.

The fact that everyone already has a computer means of course a game tailored for that medium will be better than a game tailored for a console. Plus mmorpg's are like crack cocaine. There's no end. There's no even chunks. It's just constantly thinking "fuck, fuck, fuck, I could be leveling up RIGHT NOW!" while one is doing anything other than playing.

[Mr. Blonde]

Your guys' fantasies of being nymphlike speedsters chasing other men or manly, bulky dudes grabbing at each other in tights are no better than my fantasies of being a sexy, androgynous elf slaying monsters in tights.

I think that's the point we're trying to get across here. So cut it out with the screenshots, homos. Put it in the Games forum.

[DDTempest]

Originally Posted by Orgazmo

True, but that's apples to oranges. PC sports games generally suck cock whilst mmorpg's on consoles generally suck cock.

The fact that everyone already has a computer means of course a game tailored for that medium will be better than a game tailored for a console. Plus mmorpg's are like crack cocaine. There's no end. There's no even chunks. It's just constantly thinking "fuck, fuck, fuck, I could be leveling up RIGHT NOW!" while one is doing anything other than playing.

Of course its apples and oranges ... apples (sports game) vs oranges (wizards and crystal orbs that turn you into hobblits and spock shit)

[Orgazmo]

Apples (console/finite games) to Oranges (pc/infinite games)

[DDTempest]

Originally Posted by Orgazmo

Apples (console/finite games) to Oranges (pc/infinite games)

This just goes to show that you only choose sports games in finite selections, but if you have infinite choices you choose something non-sports.

[Orgazmo]

Finite = finite storyline. Not finite selection.

You can't beat WoW and there's no defined ending point.

[DDTempest]

Originally Posted by Orgazmo

Finite = finite storyline. Not finite selection.

You can't beat WoW and there's no defined ending point.

You can't beat most sports game can you? You can just win a game or a season ... the same thing as completing a raid or using a crystal ball to turn everyone into hobblits or spocks.

[Orgazmo]

Agreed, except for the fact that a new sports game comes out each year. This skews the numbers. If you add up all of the maddens vs WoW, the numbers would be much more comparable.

[Fruitacious B]

Multiple games vs. one game, sounds fair.

The Halo franchise has grossed $1.7 billion, Reach alone made $200 million on its first day, blowing away the expectations. Madden 10 has fared below expectations since it's release, probably because people aren't in as big of a hurry to spend $60 on a game that's pretty much the same game as the year before. It's just as easy to wait a few months and buy it when the price drops.

Bottom line is that in the current economy, sports games are having the hardest time, while wizards, swords, and guns (sometimes the combo of all three) are doing fine.