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Ugly Bastard · 10-13-2011, 02:01 PM

... right. Isn't that what we're talking about here?

DJ FC · 10-13-2011, 02:41 PM

Well State income tax can be quite hefty as well - and sometimes there is a local income tax. Federal is only part of the story.

Saint DH · 10-13-2011, 02:58 PM

State taxes vary greatly from state to state. Some states have none at all. Some states, like Indiana, use a flat rate (Indiana is 3.4%). Some use graduated rates similar to the federal government up to a point. Once that point is reached, income is no longer taxed at the state level. Also, you get a deduction from your federal income taxes on all state and local taxes paid.

THEINCREDIBLEdork · 10-13-2011, 10:14 PM

I find this thread fascinating, especially the part about the "Dead Zone."

There is another aspect of this thread that is also very interesting. To prevent this thread from being derailed from it's current course, I have opened up discussion on this topic here.

Repugnant Abomination · 10-15-2011, 01:27 PM

The Truth About the Economy - YouTube

Saint DH · 10-15-2011, 02:30 PM

I'm always very wary of something titled "the truth of" something.

Case in point, only long term capital gains are taxed at 15%. Short term capital gains are ordinary income.

ninjaface · 10-15-2011, 02:32 PM

The Truth about Dirty Harry: A Roller Coaster of Emotion

ninjaface · 10-15-2011, 02:38 PM

A Cavalcade of Passion

Repugnant Abomination · 10-15-2011, 02:55 PM

The truth about Dirty Harry: Unemployed mooch with little man complex.

DDTempest · 10-15-2011, 02:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Repugnant Abomination

The truth about Dirty Harry: Unemployed mooch with little man complex.

This statement seems true, but I am wary of it because you claimed it was "the truth"

Mr. Blonde · 10-15-2011, 03:23 PM

The Truth about the Earth

Saint DH · 10-15-2011, 03:33 PM

I'm just saying that if something were actually "true" why would it need to title itself as such? Shouldn't the information presented make the claim unnecessary? Truth is an absolute term that leaves no wiggle room. If something titles itself as "the truth" it better be certain that it is the absolute truth. However, in this video we get to watch some old fuck in a suit draw pictures on a piece of paper. What's more is that he explains to us the "truth" about the economy in two minutes. That's right, two fucking minutes. Clearly, the video is titled as such because it's trying to sell us the political activist group's version of the truth which is nothing more than an opinion.

Sorry Repug it was a stupid piece of shit video with clear political bias that made numerous claims without support or evidence.

You guys are going to have to find something else to bash on me about once I get a job.

Repugnant Abomination · 10-15-2011, 03:46 PM

You're on familial welfare.

Saint DH · 10-15-2011, 04:09 PM

I may need family support to sustain myself, but it's not like I'm living in the fucking lap of luxury here. I'm given enough to get by and that's it. I'm not going out to the bars and dropping tons of cash. I'm not at the mall shopping for new clothes and gadgets. My parents know I'm studying hard for exams right now, and that's what they want me to be doing. If I were sitting on my ass all day doing nothing but playing video games, I'd be cut off quicker than you could say "that's the truth". And if that day ever comes and I still don't have a job that I want, I will join the army, sell retail merchandise, or even work in medical billing before I'd take welfare from the government.

Ugly Bastard · 10-15-2011, 04:16 PM

Harry, there ain't no shame in welfare man. It's cool if that's what it comes to. I won't judge.

Repugnant Abomination · 10-15-2011, 04:23 PM

I know. I'm just trying to make a point.

The thing about the Occupy Wall Street people is that they're not talking about socialist ideals or saying they don't want to work. What they're saying is they're outraged over the system - not the system of capitalism - but what the system has mutated into. This video sums it up nicely (he doesn't really get to the point until 1:50).

An INTENSE moment of TRUTH with MAINSTREAM Media - YouTube

I think he's right. You have the super rich and connected buying politicians and lobbying to get what they want. All these deregulated banks took all these crazy risks to the point of collapse, and then got bailed out with tax payer dollars, only for them to turn around and hoard that bailout money and and then use it to further lobby Washington so no reforms get passed to discipline them or modify their behavior. It's insane.

That's what the movement is about.

Mr. Blonde · 10-15-2011, 04:29 PM

DH all we're saying is it's hard for us to take you seriously when you've never, truly, been in the real world. Idealistic college students like to think like this:

Where many people who have been out working for years and experiencing it first hand (especially those who are NOT living outside of their means) are more likely to think like this:

That being said...these are anonymous pictures on the internet and they could be made up. But it goes to show that it's not as simple of a "black and white" issue as many people are making OWS out to be.

Saint DH · 10-15-2011, 05:13 PM

I could care less what Occupy Wall Street stands for. It's a joke because they accomplished nothing but making themselves look like a bunch of drunks, slobs, and disorderly citizens. This article Officials Delay Cleanup Of NY Protesters' Park | Fox Business seems to sum up nicely what they've accomplished: pissing off neighbors of the park.

Quote:

Brookfield has said conditions at the park were ``unsanitary and unsafe,'' with no toilets and a shortage of garbage cans. Neighbors complained of lewdness, drug use, harassment and offensive odors from the protesters, Brookfield said.

Mr. Blonde · 10-15-2011, 05:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dirty Harry

OWS was stupid and pointless because they were dirty.

.

Repugnant Abomination · 10-15-2011, 05:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dirty Harry

I could care less what Occupy Wall Street stands for. It's a joke because they accomplished nothing but making themselves look like a bunch of drunks, slobs, and disorderly citizens.

How is that any different than the Tea Party movement?

Also,

Occupy protests spread around the world; 70 injured in Rome - CNN.com

Mr. Blonde · 10-15-2011, 06:03 PM

Also they're still in NYC. Live stream: Occupy Wall Street | NYC Protest for American Revolution

Repugnant Abomination · 10-15-2011, 06:09 PM

Get Money Out

DJ FC · 10-15-2011, 06:23 PM

I make more than $500k/year and it's because of Wall St.

Thank you, Wall St.

Ugly Bastard · 10-15-2011, 07:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ FC

I make more than $500k/year

Jesus. Good for you though man. Hope you can get it while the getting is good before transaction costs eliminate your lifestyle.

Repugnant Abomination · 10-15-2011, 07:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ FC

I make more than $500k/year and it's because of Wall St.

Thank you, Wall St.

10-13-2011, 02:41 PM	#77 (permalink)
DJ FC MURICAN Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Virginia Posts: 5,136 Internets: 253094	Well State income tax can be quite hefty as well - and sometimes there is a local income tax. Federal is only part of the story.
	The basis of our governments being the opinion of the people, the very first object should be to keep that right; and were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers, or newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate a moment to prefer the latter. But I should mean that every man should receive those papers and be capable of reading them.

10-13-2011, 10:14 PM	#79 (permalink)
THEINCREDIBLEdork Emperor Meow Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 9,348 Internets: 290966	I find this thread fascinating, especially the part about the "Dead Zone." There is another aspect of this thread that is also very interesting. To prevent this thread from being derailed from it's current course, I have opened up discussion on this topic here.
	#YOLO

10-15-2011, 03:33 PM	#87 (permalink)
Saint DH Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 6,146 Internets: 284753	I'm just saying that if something were actually "true" why would it need to title itself as such? Shouldn't the information presented make the claim unnecessary? Truth is an absolute term that leaves no wiggle room. If something titles itself as "the truth" it better be certain that it is the absolute truth. However, in this video we get to watch some old fuck in a suit draw pictures on a piece of paper. What's more is that he explains to us the "truth" about the economy in two minutes. That's right, two fucking minutes. Clearly, the video is titled as such because it's trying to sell us the political activist group's version of the truth which is nothing more than an opinion. Sorry Repug it was a stupid piece of shit video with clear political bias that made numerous claims without support or evidence. You guys are going to have to find something else to bash on me about once I get a job.
	Last edited by Saint DH; 10-15-2011 at 03:39 PM.

10-15-2011, 03:46 PM	#88 (permalink)
Repugnant Abomination Almost there... Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 5,979 Internets: 164547	You're on familial welfare.
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10-15-2011, 06:23 PM	#98 (permalink)
DJ FC MURICAN Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Virginia Posts: 5,136 Internets: 253094	I make more than $500k/year and it's because of Wall St. Thank you, Wall St.
	The basis of our governments being the opinion of the people, the very first object should be to keep that right; and were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers, or newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate a moment to prefer the latter. But I should mean that every man should receive those papers and be capable of reading them.

10-13-2011, 02:01 PM	#76 (permalink)
Ugly Bastard Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: U.S.A. Posts: 13,643 Internets: 247330	... right. Isn't that what we're talking about here?

10-13-2011, 02:58 PM	#78 (permalink)
Saint DH Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 6,146 Internets: 284753	State taxes vary greatly from state to state. Some states have none at all. Some states, like Indiana, use a flat rate (Indiana is 3.4%). Some use graduated rates similar to the federal government up to a point. Once that point is reached, income is no longer taxed at the state level. Also, you get a deduction from your federal income taxes on all state and local taxes paid.

10-15-2011, 02:30 PM	#81 (permalink)
Saint DH Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 6,146 Internets: 284753	I'm always very wary of something titled "the truth of" something. Case in point, only long term capital gains are taxed at 15%. Short term capital gains are ordinary income.

10-15-2011, 02:32 PM	#82 (permalink)
ninjaface Level 20 Holothetan Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Space Posts: 5,245 Internets: 210144	The Truth about Dirty Harry: A Roller Coaster of Emotion

10-15-2011, 02:38 PM	#83 (permalink)
ninjaface Level 20 Holothetan Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Space Posts: 5,245 Internets: 210144	A Cavalcade of Passion

10-15-2011, 02:55 PM	#84 (permalink)
Repugnant Abomination Almost there... Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 5,979 Internets: 164547	The truth about Dirty Harry: Unemployed mooch with little man complex.

10-15-2011, 03:23 PM	#86 (permalink)
Mr. Blonde Spice Master Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 17,969 Internets: 284106	The Truth about the Earth

10-15-2011, 04:09 PM	#89 (permalink)
Saint DH Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 6,146 Internets: 284753	I may need family support to sustain myself, but it's not like I'm living in the fucking lap of luxury here. I'm given enough to get by and that's it. I'm not going out to the bars and dropping tons of cash. I'm not at the mall shopping for new clothes and gadgets. My parents know I'm studying hard for exams right now, and that's what they want me to be doing. If I were sitting on my ass all day doing nothing but playing video games, I'd be cut off quicker than you could say "that's the truth". And if that day ever comes and I still don't have a job that I want, I will join the army, sell retail merchandise, or even work in medical billing before I'd take welfare from the government.

10-15-2011, 04:16 PM	#90 (permalink)
Ugly Bastard Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: U.S.A. Posts: 13,643 Internets: 247330	Harry, there ain't no shame in welfare man. It's cool if that's what it comes to. I won't judge.

10-15-2011, 04:23 PM	#91 (permalink)
Repugnant Abomination Almost there... Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 5,979 Internets: 164547	I know. I'm just trying to make a point. The thing about the Occupy Wall Street people is that they're not talking about socialist ideals or saying they don't want to work. What they're saying is they're outraged over the system - not the system of capitalism - but what the system has mutated into. This video sums it up nicely (he doesn't really get to the point until 1:50). An INTENSE moment of TRUTH with MAINSTREAM Media - YouTube I think he's right. You have the super rich and connected buying politicians and lobbying to get what they want. All these deregulated banks took all these crazy risks to the point of collapse, and then got bailed out with tax payer dollars, only for them to turn around and hoard that bailout money and and then use it to further lobby Washington so no reforms get passed to discipline them or modify their behavior. It's insane. That's what the movement is about.

10-15-2011, 04:29 PM	#92 (permalink)
Mr. Blonde Spice Master Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 17,969 Internets: 284106	DH all we're saying is it's hard for us to take you seriously when you've never, truly, been in the real world. Idealistic college students like to think like this: Where many people who have been out working for years and experiencing it first hand (especially those who are NOT living outside of their means) are more likely to think like this: That being said...these are anonymous pictures on the internet and they could be made up. But it goes to show that it's not as simple of a "black and white" issue as many people are making OWS out to be.

10-15-2011, 06:03 PM	#96 (permalink)
Mr. Blonde Spice Master Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 17,969 Internets: 284106	Also they're still in NYC. Live stream: Occupy Wall Street \| NYC Protest for American Revolution

10-15-2011, 06:09 PM	#97 (permalink)
Repugnant Abomination Almost there... Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 5,979 Internets: 164547	Get Money Out

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