Nerd in need.

[Constance]

Fellow nubblies, I may have crminal charges against me for not accessing but having access to sensitive files on school servers. Read below. If you have any advice or want to spread the word or whatever, anything really, please help.
As of right now I am suspended for 10 days facing expulsion from the district. The handbook says second offense is only 2 days... big problem there.

I was sitting on the computer in the guidance office and Mrs Soltis approached me. She asid "mr. matley wants you to go sit in the main office, I asked "why?" She said that she only knew Mr. Matley wanted me off the computer and in the office.

I waited there fore about a half hour and then was called into Mrs. Soltis' office. I was told there was evidence pointing to me abut problems that have been going on the school computers. I said, "Well that's unfortunate, elaborate please." To sum things up they said I had access to highly sensitive files and that tommorow the tech administrator (who has given me trouble before) is taking this to the milan police, for criminal charges against me. I had not accessed these files, but having the ability to access them is what I'm getting in trouble for. Right now i'm suspended for 10 days while the superintendant reviews the case and decides what will be done. I don't know about the criminal charges yet though. I feel I have been wronged. The first time I tried helping the school with network problems I got harassed and belitted by the techadministrator, the same one that is going to file these criminal charges against me. They said I am responsible and should've told someone about these problems before hand. It isn't my place to inform them of these.

Needless to say, there is going to be a legal war going on, my mom is outraged too. Why is that significant? Well her and the rest of my family are in with AFSCME union and had to take care of other legal battles on irrelivant and misconstrued issues. I hope everything can get taken care of .I'm so upset.

If anyone knows any legal information regarding issues such as this, please let me know somehow, and soon. Not just for me but for all those who's innocence has been mistaken for evil...

[Pliedes]

Question: did you actually access these files? If so, did you actually view any of them? What steps did they take to insure students could not access them? Where do they actually say you're not allowed to access any of these?

[BarryJive]

Oh man that sounds like a load of bullshit constance. My high school had a program that the netwrok administator would use to to see every key stroke anyone made on the network. Now I don't know if this was real or just something they told us to keep us from checking our e-mail. But if they had a program like that couldn't they check that to see where you went on the network? I unno, just a suggestion off the top of my head.

[Constance]

Newsflash. Read this, it's from a very reliable source.. if this is the case... oh man... I am so so so inherantly pissed right now.

(8:06:19 PM): i believe i found out the reason behind the criminal charges
(8:07:19 PM): Someone pulled a major hack on the school servers today, taking advantage of matley's negligence of updating software and applying patches. All of the milan staff's names addresses and social security numbers were published on the front page of the website.

(8:08:42 PM): I know that. the SS#'s could be used for identity theft though and thats why. From what ive heard, i dont think matley has much to base his case on though
(8:07:43 PM): but thats why theyre threatening charges
Silly Putty (8:07:58 PM): it isn't
Silly Putty (8:08:04 PM): they wouldn't even tell me
(8:08:05 PM): i know that, but im just saying, thats why
(8:08:42 PM): I know that. the SS#'s could be used for identity theft though and thats why. From what ive heard, i dont think matley has much to base his case on though
o base his case on though

atomix (8:36:52 PM): i can tell u this much, it isnt an attack from the outside, u saw how i checked for vulns

[AcTivE]

1) stop the bullshit. if you opened/viewed, whatever the files, more than likely you are fucked

2) how has the tech dude given you trouble before, and why?

and from 2, why are you still allowed access if it was a problem?

i'm not trying to say your a dumbass (as i have clearly stated in number 1 [img]smile.gif[/img] ), i'm just thinking that the 'trouble' that the tech gave you is more than likely the reason that they believe it is you.

answer the question honestly from number 1. as long as you are not going to this site from school--they will not know about this website....i'd like to know

social security numbers are bullshit, anybody that knows anything about them knows that it's not hard AT all to get a number from anybody they want...

[edit] why do you have access to the stuff to begin with? --what do you do?

[edit] who is that that you are talking to? sounds like you either know something, or know somebody that knows *something*

[ February 19, 2004, 09:31 PM: Message edited by: AcTivE ]

[Constance]

Hrm, let's see. If I accessed files I wouldn't be whining about this. ass.

[AcTivE]

if you don't want help, that's fine with me. good luck [img]smile.gif[/img]

i'm sorry i took the time to respond to it to begin with. fucker.

[edit] i still think you're bullshitting. you never answered the questions. your 'title' under your name leads me to believe that you think you know something. maybe you do. regardless, i don't give a fuck, and that is because of your own dumbassedness.

[ February 19, 2004, 10:00 PM: Message edited by: AcTivE ]

[VOL]

You say criminal charges. What would they charge you with? Even so it seems none of the charges would account for a felony but a loley misdemeanor. That should help just a little.

[AcTivE]

They would need to have evidence, and reason, to begin with.

[Constance]

Well my lawyer said I shouldn't talk too much of the details but that latest leak of the crminal charges and why they have them could be what gets me off the hook, cause I didn't do anything they claim. They were vague when they suspended me.

[AcTivE]

I'm looking at it from the perspective of the systems administrator. You should too, because you'll see why there is reason.

If there really isn't any reason, then you don't need to worry at all.

You should counter-sue the school, if you are more than certain that you have done nothing wrong, there could be a large settlement in your favor.

[Constance]

Read what I said about the latest news. they are trying to charge me on something i did not do.

[Pliedes]

Originally posted by Constance:
Read what I said about the latest news. they are trying to charge me on something i did not do.

If they've already suspending you for something you didn't do, start a lawsuit against them right now. That is, unless you actually did access the information in any way.

[Mr. Blonde]

He's got a point, Constance. You seem reluctant to take any action to defend yourself, which leads me to believe you may be keeping something from us. Not accusing you, just saying thats what it looks like.

[AcTivE]

Originally posted by AcTivE:
I'm looking at it from the perspective of the systems administrator. You should too, because you'll see why there is reason.

If there really isn't any reason, then you don't need to worry at all.

which makes me wonder why he hasn't answered the questions I asked.

if you did something, there is nothing a lawyer is going to be able to do--as far as evidence wise (i'm just assuming) that will be able to prove otherwise if a tech has proof.

all you need to do is answer the question--what is it that you were responsible for doing?

nobody can really help you if you did something you were not supposed to do--unless there is a workaround for it.

if you don't do anything except for bitch about it, and be a dick., then maybe you did not do anything to begin with--as you have stated. but then why are you asking for help? or did you just want to let everyone know about what was going on?

[Constance]

No we have a lawyer, I've been advised not to give much detail, but I have been also advised to get media aware of the situation. any ideas where to start?

For the records: I did nothing unlawful, their claims are "Being able to access" them is illegal, and finding out why the school was being vague about my punishment, was because of the hack of their servers posting that information on the front page of the site. They think it's me but I didn't do it, so they don't have proof.

PS. I'm not a guy.

[Pliedes]

Constance, the fact that you're now a dangerous fugitive criminal makes you even more sexy. If you're ever running from the law, give me a call

[Percipere'Chan]

Constance, Do you know where Levenworth is?

Just kidding. Can't help you with the legal manuvering, but there's a lot that's going to depend on your social stance here. If you freak out about the potential impending doom, you're more than likely going to help the schools motivation for pursuing the case. Be as... helpful? No. More like forth comming, about what you have accessed and done that may have contributed to the Situation. If you immediately take responsibility for what you may have done (if anything) it will lend credibility to your case.

Just my 2 cents.

[Orgazmo]

Originally posted by Percipere'Chan:
If you immediately take responsibility for what you may have done (if anything) it will lend credibility to your case.

I disagree with this. In my tangles with school administrations (not the law so much), I've found that admitting what you have done in an attempt to 'take responsibility' only leads to enraged authority.

[Saint DH]

I agree with Orgazmo 100%.

I think the same goes for legal matters, don't say anything unless you're lawyer is around, and only say what he tells you to say.

[ February 22, 2004, 10:20 PM: Message edited by: Dirty Harry ]

[VOL]

Originally posted by DJ FC:
You should counter-sue the school, if you are more than certain that you have done nothing wrong, there could be a large settlement in your favor.

under what grounds?

It seems maybe the only thing you could do is to sue to get the suspension wiped off your record. I can't see a possible way to get money out of this.

[Pliedes]

Originally posted by VOL:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by DJ FC:
You should counter-sue the school, if you are more than certain that you have done nothing wrong, there could be a large settlement in your favor.

under what grounds?

It seems maybe the only thing you could do is to sue to get the suspension wiped off your record. I can't see a possible way to get money out of this.</font>[/quote]Because if she didn't do what they say she did, she was unjustly suspended. This day in age, if anything was done without all proper evidence, process, and reason; you can sue for damages, however obsurd they may seem.

[Trout Sniffer]

Constance, maybe you should think about writing a letter to the editor. That way, your whole town would see what the administrators are doing to you. I did that last year when Orgazmo, Dirty Harry, and myself were getting in trouble for something on the internet. After that, the administrators were super nice to me. It looks really bad on the school if write a professional letter and make them sounds really bad.

[Percipere'Chan]

Whatever you do, don't sue the school. It's hard enough to get a descent education in a pubic school. They undoubtedly hired this moron 'cause they couldn't afford someone who really knew what they were doing. His job could be on the line now so it's probably just the need for a scapegoat. Sue the stupid ass motherfucker that's blaming your ass. Drag his face through the legal dirt. Take every last penny the fucker has. But, leave the school alone.