Masturbation World Record

[Pliedes]

Actually it's irrelevant.

Explain how my hypothesis is false though.

I'm saying that Collins has roughly the same percentage of gay students as other dorms, but the majority of our gay population is out, as opposed the majority of other dorm's gay students being closeted.

[AcTivE]

How do you know that there aren't gays in Collins that haven't come out yet?

[Pliedes]

Originally posted by AcTivE:
How do you know that there aren't gays in Collins that haven't come out yet?

It's possible, and theoretically impossible to prove. The same could be said for other dorms. But here at Collins everyone is so open and accepting that people are straightforward about, it's just not a big deal.
Point taken though.

[Lucifer]

Beat me to it.

It's not an arguable fact if there is a dispute (so it's not arguable in any circumstance).
What I know is this:
Every homosexual I have met lived in Collins. This cannot be a coincidence. Also, due to its popularity as a 'gay dorm' incomming gay students request it in much greater numbers than straight students. There is no way in hell there are not more gays in Collins than say Briscoe or Mcnutt.

Please give up now, and at least realize that Collins has a large gay population. Greater than the average residence hall at IU.

[ April 21, 2004, 02:08 AM: Message edited by: Lucifer ]

[Pliedes]

Originally posted by Lucifer:
Yes.
I'd like you to disprove the commonly known fact that Collins has a disproportionate number of gays.
Please, supply us with facts and figgures.

You just said it was a fact. You must verify that before I can proceed.

[Pliedes]

Technically since you first made the claim about Collins, the burden of proof is on you, but seriuosly I think we can both agree that you can't actually prove this kind of thing, but at least comment on my hypothesis.

[ April 21, 2004, 02:07 AM: Message edited by: Pliedes ]

[AcTivE]

That your gay? I think it's pretty gross...a penis in the ass wouldn't be too comfortable. At least the first time ( i would imagine, haven't tried it yet, but of course plan on doing so..interested? ) ..i'd imagine you get used to it though.

[Pliedes]

Originally posted by AcTivE:
( i would imagine, haven't tried it yet, but of course plan on doing so..interested?

Very interested, big boy

[Lucifer]

Technically there is no burden of proof. We are not in a court of law, nor an organized debate.

PS even in a court of law, the defendant sometimes has the burden of proof.

[Pliedes]

But in this case you brought it up. I was simply trying to bring some formality to the discussion. Usually when you make a statement like you did, you should be able to explain yourself.

Again though:

Originally posted by Pliedes:
I think we can both agree that you can't actually prove this kind of thing, but at least comment on my hypothesis.

[StabMaster Arson]

just look at it like this... (assuming you're straight) if you went to a school that was full of gay people and you heard about one dorm full of people who weren't afraid to tell everyone that they were straight and lived an openly straight life, wouldn't you rather live in that dorm than any of the others. Even if it wasn't true at first, it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. It's common sense Pliedes, the reputation is there for a reason, you can deny it all you want, but that doesn't change a damn thing.

[Lucifer]

Right it can't be proven.

But your hypothesis is still more than likely wrong for a couple reasons.

1)Gays are more likely to request Collins.
2)Perhaps there are closited gays in Collins.
3)Collins has a reputation of being a Gay dorm, and things such as this usually mean something... even if that not be to the extreme they are reported to be.
4)Observation. I have seen lots of gays at Collins.
5)Collins is often seen as an artistic retreat at IU. Artistic qualities and homosexuality often come hand in hand.
6)I can go on forever. But the matter of fact is once you add up all these factors (some are much more valid than others), it becomes clear that Collins more likely than not has a disproportionate number of gays.

I'm not saying there aren't closited gays other places on campus, but there are more gays at Collins.

You know you are wrong, you like to debate, but you know you are wrong.

[StabMaster Arson]

way to repeat a lot of what I said.

[Lucifer]

sorry i just posted it, your post wasnt there yet

[Pliedes]

Reversing the situation only works if you also make homosexuality the primary sexual preference and everything that comes with that.

Closeted homosexuals often try to tell themselves they aren't gay, thus moving into a dorm with a 'gay stigma' would essentially mean admitting to themselves that they're a homosexual.

I agree Stab, the reputation is there for a reason, and I gave a perfectly coherent reason.

Let me try another example.
Let's say I like playing basketball, I play all the time, but no one really knows I play. (let's also assume a majority of people in my dorm are the same way)
Now let's say there's another dorm that has most of the basketball players on the university team (so obviously people know their ballers).

Does this mean that there dorm has more basketball players? Not really, just the ones that are known.

I realize that people, including homosexuals, have a tendency to want to be around others with similar interests. I realize I could be completely wrong on this. All I'm saying is that this exact thing has been discussed and looked into fairly extensively here at Collins, and the hypothesis I gave is what is usually concluded.

Either way, even if we're the gayest of the gay dorms, I like living here, and thats all thats really important to me.

[Pliedes]

1)Gays are more likely to request Collins.
-Non-closeted gays are, but not necessarily closeted ones.

2)Perhaps there are closited gays in Collins.
-perhaps there are closeted gays in other dorms, this point kind of nullifies itself.

3)Collins has a reputation of being a Gay dorm, and things such as this usually mean something... even if that not be to the extreme they are reported to be.
-Exactly, thats actually what I've been trying to say. Our origins of the rep just differ.

4)Observation. I have seen lots of gays at Collins.
-I've observed lots of closeted gays in other dorms.

5)Collins is often seen as an artistic retreat at IU. Artistic qualities and homosexuality often come hand in hand.
-You really like your stereotypes, don't you? This is one of most vague, ignorant defenses I've ever seen for an arguement.

"You know you are wrong, you like to debate, but you know you are wrong."
-I do take pleasure in debate, but this topic interests me just because it's been brought up here at Collins quite a few times. And I already admitted I could be wrong, though you also could be.

[StabMaster Arson]

Originally posted by Pliedes:
Reversing the situation only works if you also make homosexuality the primary sexual preference and everything that comes with that.

Exactly.

This is why your basketball playing scenario doesn't work at all. There is still quite a social stigma attached to homosexuality. If you like play basketball, people 999 times out of a 1000 no one gives a shit... if you like to pump another man in the ass, a lot more people tend to have an opinion. If you did play basketball and went through your formative years hearing people us the term "basketball player" as an insult, you'd be a lot more apt to want to allign yourself with a group of fellow basketball players.

Also, by the time you hit this age, people should have come to terms with their sexual interests enough to know if they are homosexual or not. You may be right that there could be one or two who are still trying to convince themselves that they are straight, but for the most part, that was left in highschool. If they haven't come to terms with their sexuality by now, there's a good chance that they won't for a very very long time, if ever. Sure, there are people who know they are gay, but are afraid to come out because of the social stigma attached to it, these people are probably most of the straight guys who live in your dorm.

This age group is also when men are at or near their sexual peak. If you consider your interest in basketball equal to your interest in things of a sexual nature, I'd wager that you are in the extreme minority.

It's obvious that you have your mind made up and it won't be changed by reason, so this is really pointless. It's really not an issue to me that you live in a predominately gay dorm.

[Ugly Bastard]

Honestly...not joking around...I think I could compete with 36 in 24 hours. The question is...do I want to be known as the world's most famous masturbator? Probably not...well...kinda...but yeah.

-Ugly Bastard

[Trout Sniffer]

Originally posted by Orgazmo:
I don't think it'd be much of a contest. I think there is a person on this site that shines masturbatically more than any other could hope...

The man must be speaking of nobody other than The Glyde himself.

[Orgazmo]

Haha, Trout...you and I both know that The Glyde wouldn't have a chance at the record.

Ugly Bastard knows. You were there too, Trout. Remember the time when all three of us were lifting? You and The Glyde were finished before Ugly and I, so you both left. The Glyde was told that Ugly and I would be returning in about 45 minutes...so he should jerk off accordingly. Well I'll be damned if The Glyde wasn't ass-naked, scared shitless when he heard that knob starting to turn 45 minutes later.

The moral of this story? Not only can The Glyde not break this record...he can't even crank one out on this pace.

[Mr. Blonde]

Originally posted by Pliedes:
Speaking of which, if you knew anything about me, you'd also know that I was gay.

You're GAY?!?!?!?!! (|) [img]graemlins/pirate.gif[/img]

[BarryJive]

Originally posted by Lucifer:
Whether it's true or not, I'm not alone in my beliefs.

http://www.gfn.com/archives/story.phtml?sid=8310

By that logic, I could write "faggot" on your arm while you sleep and since somebody who didn't know you wrote it, it must be true...right?

[Lucifer]

Thats just one example Barry, there are many more.

If you ask anyone on campus where gay people live I guarentee they will tell you 90% of the time Collins. The other 10% would be Reed of course.

There is only ONE way that there could be a complete equal distribution of homosexuals and here's what it is:

All people who come to IU are completely and randomly distributed. The homosexuals who go to Collins are so moved by it's openness that they come out of the closit. Not a single homosexual requests Collins. Sound far-fetched? That's because it is. Collins is known as a homosexual center, so homosexuals go there. To deny this fact is futitle. The rest of the student population should be randomly distributed (at least according to your belief, I would argue that there are still more due to Collins nature as an artistic community, but we'll save that point for another day). So while the closited homosexuals may be just as numorous, it is the open homosexuals that tip the scales heavily to Collins. It's simple numbers and statistics man.
Please, save yourself some dignity and admit that you were overlooking such a simple and crucial error in your logic.

[Pliedes]

Originally posted by Lucifer:
If you ask anyone on campus where gay people live I guarentee they will tell you 90% of the time Collins. The other 10% would be Reed of course.

At one point if you asked most people on earth, 99% of them would have said the world is flat. This is in no way a valid arguement, and you only make yourself look more and more ignorant by equating opinion as facts.

Originally posted by Lucifer:
It's simple numbers and statistics man.

Then give me some numbers and statistics, dumbass.

Originally posted by Lucifer:
Please, save yourself some dignity and admit that you were overlooking such a simple and crucial error in your logic

Logic? Your refusal to use anything more than vague stereotypes and assinine opinions you call facts has shown that you champion everything but logic. For a while in this thread, I thought Lucifer might be Anky, but every Anky isn't as stupid and bigoted as you.
I've already admited I could be wrong though I continue to support my theory; there is dignity in that. There is no dignity in ignorance and irrational.

Stab, I see your point, but I think you're missing one of the facets of many closeted homosexuals and inevitable homosexuals; they don't want to admit (even to themselves) that they are gay. Moving into a "gay dorm" would be validating their feelings. That is the aspect I was refering to when I said you also must reverse the social stigma. If there was the negative stigma with basketball then the "closeted players" would not want to live in the "basketball dorm".

Regardless, I think you hit the nail on the head here:

Originally posted by StabMaster Arson:
It's really not an issue to me that you live in a predominately gay dorm.

I honestly could care less if my dorm was 99% gay or 1% gay, Collins is a great community.

One last question though. Lucifer, are you homophobic? Because you seem set on convincing yourself that all gays are corraled away from you in some perverted dorm. Maybe you're in denial yourself

[Mr. Blonde]

You guys are arguing over which dorm has more gays in it. Think about that for a second.