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Heaven Can Wait · 01-05-2008, 02:17 PM

Why is it that i haven't seen ron paul on the news AT ALL

f3lix · 01-05-2008, 03:35 PM

The media can and will do anything they can to ignore Paul. They post results all the way until one before paul then stop. I even saw Fox News post the top 4, and then post Giuliani. It's so ridiculous.

Niger Angelus · 01-05-2008, 03:59 PM

Need I remind you that voting isn't about choosing the candidate that is most likely to win, but the one who most deserves it.

f3lix · 01-05-2008, 04:10 PM

There is a brewing story going on about Ron Paul's exclusion from the New Hampshire forum, which is to be held tomorrow. The forum will include Huckabee, Romney, McCain, Thompson, and Giuliani, but not Paul. Fox News is holding the forum and claims that to be invited, a candidate must be polling double digits nationwide. This completely ignore that the majority of Paul supporters do not own land-based phone lines (which is how polling is done) AND that Ron Paul just got 10% in Iowa AND that Paul is currently polling AHEAD of Giuliani and Thompson in New Hampshire. The New Hamphire Republican Party (who is sponsoring the forum) has threaten to withdraw their sponsorship if Fox does not include Paul (who has a strong following in the more free-minded state.)

You watch a 3-minute clip of the story here http://youtube.com/watch?v=7offuHK3mZI

f3lix · 01-05-2008, 04:11 PM

Ron Paul wins first ever Myspace Primary. 150,000 votes cast and is won by Obama and Paul

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080103...iIW9ShDEBB5494

f3lix · 01-05-2008, 05:02 PM

And it happened. The NH state Rep. Party officially withdrew sponsorship over Fox's censorship. Bout fucking time somebody stands up to this horseshit.

Ugly Bastard · 01-05-2008, 06:48 PM

If you haven't read, the Fox News Democratic Debate has been cancelled after many candidates decided to boycott it.

Beebs · 01-05-2008, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Ugly Bastard

Thanks for sharing, Beebs!

I'll be sure to post an update on if Iowa still sucks when I go back home.

DJ FC · 01-05-2008, 08:15 PM

It pisses me off that the media won't just report the news but are implicitly biased by consistently excluding Paul.

Niger Angelus · 01-06-2008, 02:59 AM

Sounds like they feel legitimately threatened by what he stands for...

THEINCREDIBLEdork · 01-06-2008, 03:17 AM

do yall have any idea how much the government would be changed if half the shit ron pauls would want to change got implemented?

is the government good enough as is? is it really that bad? how good should it be before the statement "if it aint broke don't fix it?"

i say fuck it i don't care, lets change the status quo and see what happens

f3lix · 01-06-2008, 05:03 AM

In tonights debate on ABC, some of the other candidates started embracing what Paul has been saying and started discussing how inflation is a problem and that supply and demand in a free market is a good idea. While I am happy to hear these things, I am afraid that they are just saying these things b/c they feel like they'll be trying to win over Paullites in a few months.

Repugnant Abomination · 01-06-2008, 05:23 AM

After watching the ABC debate tonight I walk away feeling disheartened. All the Republican canidates were gang banging Paul all night and tearing away at him like ravenous wolves. And it's not just your typical political rhetoric either - they are patronizing, openly laughing at him and acting as if his ideas are moronic. Guliani, Romney, and McCain are the worst offenders, with Thompson next and lastly Huckabee.

I just really hope people begin to see through this crap. What's most frustrating is that Ron isn't the best speaker, and I think his rivals have figured out that if you can make him feel rushed (as if the debate format doesn't do that already) he starts to get flustered and bumbles more than usual.

I believe in a lot of what the Republican party stands for in terms of small government, but how anyone can support what this party has become, outside of Ron Paul, is beyond me. I'd gladly take the democrats watered down socialism over the republicans war mongering politics of fear any day.

Oh yeah, and fuck the patriot act.

f3lix · 01-06-2008, 05:24 AM

More about the Fox news exclusion of Ron Paul. Over the past week, Fox News parent company NewsCorp's stock has plumetted to a 52-week low amid federal electioneering charges for the exclusion of a major presidential candidate. Not only that, but the democrats have cancelled their Nevada Debate as well, which was going to be hosted by Fox. It's all going to hell right now for Fox and they deserve every fucking bit of it.

Repugnant Abomination · 01-06-2008, 05:27 AM

Excellent news. Fox can go straight to hell. It's a sad day in America when our media has become so biased. MEDIA isn't suppose to have a goddamn political opinion.

f3lix · 01-06-2008, 05:32 AM

I do agree with you about Paul's performance tonight. I really wish he'd stop driving the hammer into the "printing money" nail. Most people don't actually understand what he's saying and take it so literally that they become confused about the entire issue. The others are better politicians and know how to express their words to the public better than Paul, but the arrogance they are showing towards him is just rude. Political shots are one thing, but personal attacks really show a person's character. Notice Paul was the only one not taking shots at Romney. Paul argues and debates policy like a true candidate should and rarely attacks any opponent.

Repugnant Abomination · 01-06-2008, 05:57 AM

Pretty much, yeah. I'm beginning to feel that Ron Paul has the right message and policies, but he's just not the right canidate to win the nominee. Granted he SHOULD win the nominee because of his policies, but sadly American politics is more about personalities than policies at this point. He doesn't play the game, and while some of us respect him for it, the majority of American's don't seem to "get it."

Maybe I'm despairing, but I haven't given up hope yet. Even if Paul can't win, at least he's changing the conversation, if even a little.

He needs to place at least 3rd in NH. If not, then by Super Tuesday he should announce he's running as an independent.

Cocktooth · 01-06-2008, 10:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by f3lix

Not only that, but the democrats have cancelled their Nevada Debate as well, which was going to be hosted by Fox. It's all going to hell right now for Fox and they deserve every fucking bit of it.

Holy Shit. The smartest thing you have said in 2 years.

f3lix · 01-06-2008, 01:59 PM

He just polled 3rd by 3% over 4th place for New Hampshire in a Rassmussen poll (considered a top two reliable poll by media.)

DJ FC · 01-06-2008, 10:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by THEINCREDIBLEdork

do yall have any idea how much the government would be changed if half the shit ron pauls would want to change got implemented?

is the government good enough as is? is it really that bad? how good should it be before the statement "if it aint broke don't fix it?"

i say fuck it i don't care, lets change the status quo and see what happens

That's the idea. I would want about half of Ron Paul's shit to happen. Politicians never get anything done, and while the world would pretty much suck if Ron Paul was actually able to get everything he wants done done, it would be a pretty kickass place if he could get about half of it done and be kept in check by Congress. It's all about balance, and right now the Government needs a swift kick in the ass from a libertarian.

DJ FC · 01-06-2008, 10:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by f3lix

He just polled 3rd by 3% over 4th place for New Hampshire in a Rassmussen poll (considered a top two reliable poll by media.)

Rassmussen is the most accurate presidential election poll.

Cocktooth · 01-09-2008, 08:47 AM

Oh how I love New Hampshire!!!! Way to tear it up Hilary!

THEINCREDIBLEdork · 01-09-2008, 10:25 AM

George W.

Is the the gold standard a roflmess or not?

f3lix · 01-09-2008, 05:13 PM

What is quite upsetting to me is that due to record turnouts at the polls, this revolution is being thrown under the bus. If there were normal turnout to the first two states, Ron Paul would be top 3. Let me explain. Ron Paul supporters and their votes are considered "black hole" votes because they will never go to another candidate. People don't leave or quit on RP until it's all over. Those votes would come against any candidate with any turnout in any state. If the Iowa and NH turnout didn't have double to triple the average turnout, we'd be hearing about Ron Paul left and right, as well as hearing all kind of hit pieces on him by the media.

Repugnant Abomination · 01-09-2008, 07:04 PM

Not gonna lie, I'm pretty disheartened by the NH results. I don't think we have much of a chance at this point. It's a shame, a damn shame. I just don't understand how people can hear his message and not vote for him. Are people so easily fooled by these other candidates?

01-05-2008, 02:17 PM	#101 (permalink)
Heaven Can Wait English. Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: England Posts: 868 Internets: 179	Why is it that i haven't seen ron paul on the news AT ALL
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01-05-2008, 03:59 PM	#103 (permalink)
Niger Angelus We still believe. Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Indiana Posts: 4,697 Internets: 216	Need I remind you that voting isn't about choosing the candidate that is most likely to win, but the one who most deserves it.
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01-05-2008, 08:15 PM	#109 (permalink)
DJ FC MURICAN Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Virginia Posts: 5,136 Internets: 253094	It pisses me off that the media won't just report the news but are implicitly biased by consistently excluding Paul.
	The basis of our governments being the opinion of the people, the very first object should be to keep that right; and were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers, or newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate a moment to prefer the latter. But I should mean that every man should receive those papers and be capable of reading them.

01-06-2008, 02:59 AM	#110 (permalink)
Niger Angelus We still believe. Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Indiana Posts: 4,697 Internets: 216	Sounds like they feel legitimately threatened by what he stands for...
	I enjoy knives and fire.

01-06-2008, 03:17 AM	#111 (permalink)
THEINCREDIBLEdork Emperor Meow Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 9,352 Internets: 290966	do yall have any idea how much the government would be changed if half the shit ron pauls would want to change got implemented? is the government good enough as is? is it really that bad? how good should it be before the statement "if it aint broke don't fix it?" i say fuck it i don't care, lets change the status quo and see what happens
	#YOLO

01-05-2008, 03:35 PM	#102 (permalink)
f3lix Gangnam Style Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: DH's Massage Parlor Posts: 6,383 Internets: 213510	The media can and will do anything they can to ignore Paul. They post results all the way until one before paul then stop. I even saw Fox News post the top 4, and then post Giuliani. It's so ridiculous.

01-05-2008, 04:10 PM	#104 (permalink)
f3lix Gangnam Style Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: DH's Massage Parlor Posts: 6,383 Internets: 213510	There is a brewing story going on about Ron Paul's exclusion from the New Hampshire forum, which is to be held tomorrow. The forum will include Huckabee, Romney, McCain, Thompson, and Giuliani, but not Paul. Fox News is holding the forum and claims that to be invited, a candidate must be polling double digits nationwide. This completely ignore that the majority of Paul supporters do not own land-based phone lines (which is how polling is done) AND that Ron Paul just got 10% in Iowa AND that Paul is currently polling AHEAD of Giuliani and Thompson in New Hampshire. The New Hamphire Republican Party (who is sponsoring the forum) has threaten to withdraw their sponsorship if Fox does not include Paul (who has a strong following in the more free-minded state.) You watch a 3-minute clip of the story here http://youtube.com/watch?v=7offuHK3mZI

01-05-2008, 04:11 PM	#105 (permalink)
f3lix Gangnam Style Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: DH's Massage Parlor Posts: 6,383 Internets: 213510	Ron Paul wins first ever Myspace Primary. 150,000 votes cast and is won by Obama and Paul http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080103...iIW9ShDEBB5494

01-05-2008, 05:02 PM	#106 (permalink)
f3lix Gangnam Style Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: DH's Massage Parlor Posts: 6,383 Internets: 213510	And it happened. The NH state Rep. Party officially withdrew sponsorship over Fox's censorship. Bout fucking time somebody stands up to this horseshit.

01-05-2008, 06:48 PM	#107 (permalink)
Ugly Bastard Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: U.S.A. Posts: 13,643 Internets: 247330	If you haven't read, the Fox News Democratic Debate has been cancelled after many candidates decided to boycott it.

01-06-2008, 05:03 AM	#112 (permalink)
f3lix Gangnam Style Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: DH's Massage Parlor Posts: 6,383 Internets: 213510	In tonights debate on ABC, some of the other candidates started embracing what Paul has been saying and started discussing how inflation is a problem and that supply and demand in a free market is a good idea. While I am happy to hear these things, I am afraid that they are just saying these things b/c they feel like they'll be trying to win over Paullites in a few months.

01-06-2008, 05:23 AM	#113 (permalink)
Repugnant Abomination Almost there... Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 5,979 Internets: 164547	After watching the ABC debate tonight I walk away feeling disheartened. All the Republican canidates were gang banging Paul all night and tearing away at him like ravenous wolves. And it's not just your typical political rhetoric either - they are patronizing, openly laughing at him and acting as if his ideas are moronic. Guliani, Romney, and McCain are the worst offenders, with Thompson next and lastly Huckabee. I just really hope people begin to see through this crap. What's most frustrating is that Ron isn't the best speaker, and I think his rivals have figured out that if you can make him feel rushed (as if the debate format doesn't do that already) he starts to get flustered and bumbles more than usual. I believe in a lot of what the Republican party stands for in terms of small government, but how anyone can support what this party has become, outside of Ron Paul, is beyond me. I'd gladly take the democrats watered down socialism over the republicans war mongering politics of fear any day. Oh yeah, and fuck the patriot act.

01-06-2008, 05:24 AM	#114 (permalink)
f3lix Gangnam Style Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: DH's Massage Parlor Posts: 6,383 Internets: 213510	More about the Fox news exclusion of Ron Paul. Over the past week, Fox News parent company NewsCorp's stock has plumetted to a 52-week low amid federal electioneering charges for the exclusion of a major presidential candidate. Not only that, but the democrats have cancelled their Nevada Debate as well, which was going to be hosted by Fox. It's all going to hell right now for Fox and they deserve every fucking bit of it.

01-06-2008, 05:27 AM	#115 (permalink)
Repugnant Abomination Almost there... Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 5,979 Internets: 164547	Excellent news. Fox can go straight to hell. It's a sad day in America when our media has become so biased. MEDIA isn't suppose to have a goddamn political opinion.

01-06-2008, 05:32 AM	#116 (permalink)
f3lix Gangnam Style Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: DH's Massage Parlor Posts: 6,383 Internets: 213510	I do agree with you about Paul's performance tonight. I really wish he'd stop driving the hammer into the "printing money" nail. Most people don't actually understand what he's saying and take it so literally that they become confused about the entire issue. The others are better politicians and know how to express their words to the public better than Paul, but the arrogance they are showing towards him is just rude. Political shots are one thing, but personal attacks really show a person's character. Notice Paul was the only one not taking shots at Romney. Paul argues and debates policy like a true candidate should and rarely attacks any opponent.

01-06-2008, 05:57 AM	#117 (permalink)
Repugnant Abomination Almost there... Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 5,979 Internets: 164547	Pretty much, yeah. I'm beginning to feel that Ron Paul has the right message and policies, but he's just not the right canidate to win the nominee. Granted he SHOULD win the nominee because of his policies, but sadly American politics is more about personalities than policies at this point. He doesn't play the game, and while some of us respect him for it, the majority of American's don't seem to "get it." Maybe I'm despairing, but I haven't given up hope yet. Even if Paul can't win, at least he's changing the conversation, if even a little. He needs to place at least 3rd in NH. If not, then by Super Tuesday he should announce he's running as an independent.

01-06-2008, 01:59 PM	#119 (permalink)
f3lix Gangnam Style Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: DH's Massage Parlor Posts: 6,383 Internets: 213510	He just polled 3rd by 3% over 4th place for New Hampshire in a Rassmussen poll (considered a top two reliable poll by media.)

01-09-2008, 08:47 AM	#122 (permalink)
Cocktooth Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Warsaw Posts: 4,220 Internets: 124047	Oh how I love New Hampshire!!!! Way to tear it up Hilary!
	Nubblies: If we put up with Felix, we will put up with you too.

01-09-2008, 10:25 AM	#123 (permalink)
THEINCREDIBLEdork Emperor Meow Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 9,352 Internets: 290966	George W. Is the the gold standard a roflmess or not?
	#YOLO

01-09-2008, 05:13 PM	#124 (permalink)
f3lix Gangnam Style Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: DH's Massage Parlor Posts: 6,383 Internets: 213510	What is quite upsetting to me is that due to record turnouts at the polls, this revolution is being thrown under the bus. If there were normal turnout to the first two states, Ron Paul would be top 3. Let me explain. Ron Paul supporters and their votes are considered "black hole" votes because they will never go to another candidate. People don't leave or quit on RP until it's all over. Those votes would come against any candidate with any turnout in any state. If the Iowa and NH turnout didn't have double to triple the average turnout, we'd be hearing about Ron Paul left and right, as well as hearing all kind of hit pieces on him by the media.

01-09-2008, 07:04 PM	#125 (permalink)
Repugnant Abomination Almost there... Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 5,979 Internets: 164547	Not gonna lie, I'm pretty disheartened by the NH results. I don't think we have much of a chance at this point. It's a shame, a damn shame. I just don't understand how people can hear his message and not vote for him. Are people so easily fooled by these other candidates?

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